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Operation Camp Dyrus MSI Edition

potato12··23 votes·3,468 views

lol

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Vistha Kai20 votes

"I'd like an opportunity to play LoL."

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MCBiggah994 votes

hahahaha oh god my sides

DeathToHeretics4 votes

He just looks so done with everyone's shit haha, oh man that sucks

LeeDark3 votes

This is what happens when you have a team that is a bunch of one note chumps. Despite the fact that Dyrus carries the team when he is doing well, he is ALWAYS left to fend for himself. Bjerg never roams up there, and Santorin never ganks for him.

When Dyrus does well, the team wins, but he had to do it all himself. When Dyrus does poorly, it's because the opponents gave their top laner every bit of help they could.

Santorin is, frankly, nowhere NEAR the jungler OddOne was. They need to find someone else to fill Odd's shoes.

bizzle893 votes

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This is what happens when you have a team that is a bunch of one note chumps. Despite the fact that Dyrus carries the team when he is doing well, he is ALWAYS left to fend for himself. Bjerg never roams up there, and Santorin never ganks for him.

When Dyrus does well, the team wins, but he had to do it all himself. When Dyrus does poorly, it's because the opponents gave their top laner every bit of help they could.

Santorin is, frankly, nowhere NEAR the jungler OddOne was. They need to find someone else to fill Odd's shoes.

First of all. Bjergsen and Santorin carried TSM trough the NA LCS. In which game did you see Dyrus carrying anything? Second, Dyrus plays poorly. He overextends without wards. So he is an easy gank. You think they camp him, because he is so strong? No, because he is a free kill. Look at the replays. He never wards the tribush etc. he splitpushes and gets caught out... And yes they don't help him, but would you gank a toplane without wards?

Panthaz897 votes

I heavily disagree with the assessment on the game.....Dyrus couldn't do anything he didn't play that well in the NA LCS but he literally could do nothing when your team lets you get 3 man ganked over and over again. He didn't get caught out when he's on his freaking tower the whole time not sure what game you were watching but Santorin did practically nothing while Lustboy should of been bot with his trollpick to at least help him with the 3 man pressure.

Facy2 votes

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First of all. Bjergsen and Santorin carried TSM trough the NA LCS. In which game did you see Dyrus carrying anything? Second, Dyrus plays poorly. He overextends without wards. So he is an easy gank. You think they camp him, because he is so strong? No, because he is a free kill. Look at the replays. He never wards the tribush etc. he splitpushes and gets caught out... And yes they don't help him, but would you gank a toplane without wards?

so much this... its weird 1st where he puts the wards... 2nd overextending without any ward at all... 3rd having a horrible positioning even thoe he knows the jungler is very mobile.... most of the kills seen in the video could have been prevented by Dyrus alone. People blaming his team for not helping, i blame dyrus to not change his personal toplane plan even thoe he fking knows there will be an enemy jungler. Other then that ofc his team could have put some more effort, but honestly helping a teribad toplaner that forgot the basics of the game is a waste of time.

Risurin3 votes

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First of all. Bjergsen and Santorin carried TSM trough the NA LCS. In which game did you see Dyrus carrying anything? Second, Dyrus plays poorly. He overextends without wards. So he is an easy gank. You think they camp him, because he is so strong? No, because he is a free kill. Look at the replays. He never wards the tribush etc. he splitpushes and gets caught out... And yes they don't help him, but would you gank a toplane without wards?

Their is one thing Monte said, after the "NA Rookie of the split" award was given. It was along the line of it should have went to Rush and that Santorin looked good, because TSM was looking good (its really easier for a jungler to look amazing, when your team is doing well). At first, i thought maybe he was a bit harsh, afterall, he did carry a few games ? But the reality is, TSM play style never was abused, like it did at MSI. I think some team tried to pull it off, but without much sucess at snowballing their lead, mostly due to Bjergsen carrying. Santorin isnt that great, although its mostly due to TSM play style (jungler = mid support). And yes, Dyrus did carry some games this season.

What's troublesome, and i believe what @LeeDark meant, is that since they werent really going to get anything elsewhere, why is dyrus left 1v3ing under his tower ? Specially on that sion game, he gets 1v3 under turret all the time. Wards weren't going to do anything about that, I guess at that point he could have started jungling, but probably a team call. But, look where Santorin and LustBoy are. You will see they are not even close to do something useful. Why is Santorin not miles ahead in CS if he is afk farming the jungle ? why is LustBoy afk on a top lane bush, on bard out of all support lol? I think that's an issue the other team realized, Dyrus is left alone, and isnt receiving any help, even if he is playing a carry snowballing toplaner like hecarim. He is therefore an easy target to snowball off. He isnt even getting any help when the team choose a carry toplaner for him.

Honestly, Santorin didnt really even got off ganks to snowball bjergsen or turtle. He was by far the worst jungler in that tournament. LustBoy was lackluster, and it makes you wonder whose call was to let him stay on a 2v1 lane during lane swap, and not roam more. And what's more funny, despite all those camps and deads, Dyrus was still getting more kills for TSM then anyone else, more often then otherwise.

When even other top lane pro (SoaZ) goes out of their way to say this : https://twitter.com/sOAZIZGOOD/status/596838272850120704 "if i was dyrone i'd straight leave my pc, kick santorin or lust and play sup/jung"

It tells you how frustrating it was to watch, because there was not much he could have done. The team didnt do anything, dyrus payed the price.

Overall, a really humiliating performance by TSM (specially when you think about how overly confident they were going in), and we (NA) are probably going to be seen as a joke until world, because of how poor their performance was. I just hope that the rest of the NA LCS watched how it was done. I want them to be able to pull the same trick, if TSM isnt going to upgrade their playstyle, which is clearly too 1 dimensional and too dependent on Bjergsen being fed, I would rather have a different team representing NA at world.

bizzle891 votes

Have to disagree. TSM's strategy is kind of getting all the other lanes ahead (seen all games in LCS), while the other teams focus on this guaranted (!!) kill toplane. Not like Santorin decides to leave Dyrus alone. Problem is, that Bjergsen may be the best midlaner in NA, but on an international level, he is just another mid laner. He can't solo kill or heavily outfarm anyone. He also didn't pick a carry midlaner. You can't roam with Cho'Gath.. Botlane is also just ok. Santorin played poorly this tournament (even worse than Dyrus), but even if they could possibly get 2 lanes ahead with ganks (and that won't happen at this level), if the enemy snowballs toplane and gets the tower + 3 Dyrus kills, it's just over. Current toplaners like Huni or Koro can carry their advantage to the other lanes and the teamfights. So yes the reason is bad team strategy (not really Dyrus' fault). On the other hand, when you watch the replays, you can see Dyrus overextending without warding and getting killed (even with Hecarim WTF). You can see him going back to lane, without checking, if the enemies are still near. Compare that to other toplaners. They won't overextend, when they don't know where the enemy is. They read the game. They only splitpush as much as they can without being in danger. That's a big difference. And also in a lot of LCS games, he just pushed his lane and got ganked without warding. I agree with you, that it's the teams fault for not reacting to this, but Dyrus also has to play more safe. I mean come on. Giving first blood in every game and dying on every gank. Even when only the jungler ganks and you have flash up (without 4 man dives). Even in the NA LCS they 2 man ganked him and he gave first blood a lot of times (with flash up) and that's something he has to work on. It happened so often and he still pushes lanes..

Risurin1 votes

The thing is, we dont know what happened in their communication, may they though their jungler was elsewhere we dont know. What we know tho, is that if he didnt tried to farm what he could, he would have fallen so much behind that the game would had been a lost before any fight (5vs4+a superminion lol). Now, if you consider that santorin and lustboy are doing anything in their lane or in vision control, it makes you wonder what happened with their "leave dyrus in an island" start. Obviously the jungle-top synergy and early ganks was something TSM wasnt ready for, and it was a huge part of the meta at MSI.

I agree putting bjergsen on an non carry mid laner is kinda strange since he is the biggest carry on their team, but having dyrus on a carry and not help him get to a position where he can carry is just as strange. I also though it was weird that lustboy stayed in lane with turtle for a 2v1, i dont know why they did that when he could have roam for vision, gank for bjergsen, or help dyrus survive his 2v1 3v1.

In the end, i just hope things get better for them in term of actual strategies, or i would rather not have them represent NA at world.

L8Show0123 votes

It's a simple fix: send Lustboy to Dyrus or don't lane swap. Wildturtle can easily farm alone against the opponent top laner. TSM is really setting Dyrus for failure.

FluxBound1 votes

lol Reignover at 0:30 was amazing

StrayXL1 votes

Dyrus, the sacrificial lamb he takes all the focus so other lanes can farm, and gets camped harder than than a bunch of hikers on the mountains on summer vacation. but hey Santorin is getting them Devourer Stacks am I Right?!?!

Heart Of Iron1 votes

First of all, the problem with TSM is their strategy. It may works in NA, but you got to take it to consideration that these teams in MSI are no push overs. Practically all these teams that TSM face are Top tier teams either with World champs or top international players (except for the turkey team). You can not run with the style of letting Dyrus fend for himself or feed. These teams once they get a kill or 2 on one of their players, they can practically snowball hard. And Santorin may be good and carry the team alot. but really not giving a crap on top lane? Thats just poor play. Doesnt matter if he often gets mid lane going. Teams in MSI you can see their jungler can get their main lane going and be at all lanes to gank. Santorin really needs to step up his game. Santorin does have talent but you have to change your playstlye a little where you at least make sure your top lane dont die.

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