Damn, that is a shame. I was looking forward to seeing what that team could really do. Both their splits they did well, but seemed to have just made bad decisions about the meta near the end. It felt like if they could just fix one or two slight problems they could become a force to be reckoned with. Hopefully they can find some decent players to replace them, but that is a lot of talent lost at once.
III BAKURYU III 3 votesBeing that Reignover left I'm certain Huni will leave as well. I always thought of them as a package deal. It will be interesting to see how the teams will play with and without the certain players.
Adrain leaving Immortals for P1 will help his moral for a fresh start but now this is his 3rd team and each split he does well in but falls flat on his face when it comes to the playoffs; first with Impulse-Immortals and now P1?
Not sure where Reignover will go at this point but I would like to see him on either Team Dignitas/Apex or Team Envy.
Miror B2 votes[{quoted}](name=III BAKURYU III ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=lPFEAZvM,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-11-23T19:52:53.303+0000)
Being that Reignover left I'm certain Huni will leave as well. I always thought of them as a package deal. It will be interesting to see how the teams will play with and without the certain players.
Adrain leaving Immortals for P1 will help his moral for a fresh start but now this is his 3rd team and each split he does well in but falls flat on his face when it comes to the playoffs; first with Impulse-Immortals and now P1?
Not sure where Reignover will go at this point but I would like to see him on either Team Dignitas/Apex or Team Envy.
The big problem about that is that Huni can't exactly join TL, not unless they do a package deal and send the top/mid/jg to TL and just drop lourlo/fenix (you know, due to korean import slots). I'll put the article pertaining to this at the bottom, but where Huni/Pobelter go is definitely going to be a hot topic as with the "dead" free agent class I'd put them/altec/forgiven at the top of the priority list for any team looking to fill gaps.
http://www.thescoreesports.com/lol/news/11809-report-reignover-to-join-team-liquid
III BAKURYU III 1 votesI didn't know he had thoughts on TL makes sense being Dardoch left. Would be interesting to see the Piglet/Reignover pair being that bot lane was never a lane that previous Curse/Team Liquid junglers ever ganked and will help Piglet out greatly.
Miror B2 votes[{quoted}](name=III BAKURYU III ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=lPFEAZvM,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-11-23T20:08:51.720+0000)
I didn't know he had thoughts on TL makes sense being Dardoch left. Would be interesting to see the Piglet/Reignover pair being that bot lane was never a lane that previous Curse/Team Liquid junglers ever ganked and will help Piglet out greatly.
The main problem I see with this concerns styles though. To me, Lourlo is more like kikis and less like Huni, in that he's not exactly known for playing carries and thus won't benefit as much. Oh, and Piglet/reignover would also be out (if this article is true, then TL will have to decide between fenix/piglet and which one they want to keep on their starting roster). If there's one person who is benefitting off this huge and should be hugging/kissing his managers, it has to be Matt though. Not only did his team pick up one of the top 3 jg's of the world (clearlove being 1 and peanut being 2 in my eyes), but they're doing so at a time in which NA doesn't really have a set #1/2/3 team.
III BAKURYU III 1 votesFenix has expressed his feelings about wanting to play with good players multiple times I'm pretty sure same with Piglet being their both Korean(not racist). You can tell that Fenix just doesn't care about winning or losing I mean I'm sure he tries but looking back at 2015 he was actually roaming as a mid and playing the map really well but now 2016 really just the summer split but same can be said about the spring splits he just stayed mid and power farms nothing more and nothing less; he really just became the new Froggen in my eyes.
Short answer is I would drop Fenix. I love Fenxi(no homo) I feel like he has never gotten his due for playing on TL for 2 years same with Piglet but the matter is Piglet has World Exp and has a Championship to show for it; I know we all love Faker and say numerous times how great he is but you don't win Worlds without a team and Piglet was a member for that SKT team.
Yeah TL should feel happy as an org because the jungle position was the Key to that team but they never had the right jungler. I always felt like they tried to build around the jungler but it was never the right move for that team but now with Reignover TL looks good.
Miror B1 votes[{quoted}](name=III BAKURYU III ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=lPFEAZvM,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-23T20:34:11.338+0000)
Fenix has expressed his feelings about wanting to play with good players multiple times I'm pretty sure same with Piglet being their both Korean(not racist). You can tell that Fenix just doesn't care about winning or losing I mean I'm sure he tries but looking back at 2015 he was actually roaming as a mid and playing the map really well but now 2016 really just the summer split but same can be said about the spring splits he just stayed mid and power farms nothing more and nothing less; he really just became the new Froggen in my eyes.
Short answer is I would drop Fenix. I love Fenxi(no homo) I feel like he has never gotten his due for playing on TL for 2 years same with Piglet but the matter is Piglet has World Exp and has a Championship to show for it; I know we all love Faker and say numerous times how great he is but you don't win Worlds without a team and Piglet was a member for that SKT team.
Yeah TL should feel happy as an org because the jungle position was the Key to that team but they never had the right jungler. I always felt like they tried to build around the jungler but it was never the right move for that team but now with Reignover TL looks good.
See, for me this is where you kinda have to "theory-craft" a bit. While fenix roamed a bit less this season, I'm thinking he did so because he didn't trust his new laners (similar to what pobelter did during spring of this year). With the loss of quality players s/dom/their ADC's, he was kinda left on an island and basically forced to 1v5 carry games, something that is nearly impossible to do outside of LPL/EU.
As for who I'd personally drop, it's a tough call. Unless they can 100% for sure nab pobelter, then the Mid pool is significantly weaker than the ADC one (with there being literally no "big names" out there, while guys like forgiven/altec/resigning fabby/jynthe good luck with that one buddy are available). Them nabbing reignover is definitely a step in the right direction though, especially if they can keep him for the entirety of the split and don't bench him for a sub like they did with their other top tier players this year.
GhostOfTsushima1 votesPiglet is a baby, and he doesn't listen well, rather he like his team to listen to him
Just cus there both Korean don't mean they'll both do well together
III BAKURYU III 1 votesYeah Piglet does whine alot but I was just stating the both Korean thought because of the language 
is all.
I know Piglet and Fenix are both Korean and for 2 years we've seen how they both play on the same team but neither one of them is a shotcaller/ leader.
The thing about Reignover on TL would be that team Team Liquid has always had a toxic/raging/ hard to play with Jungler to work around and most times than not the shot caller also. Saintvicious- IWillDominate - Dardoch but now Reignover breaks that cycle for the best?
While TL has never won a NA LCS Championship or even make it to a Finals they have however have made it to every single NA Playoffs do you think they will continue that streak or do you think they won't make it to the playoffs and need time to gel?
What lane do you think Reignover will gank the most or have his attention on the least ?
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Being that Reignover left I'm certain Huni will leave as well. I always thought of them as a package deal. It will be interesting to see how the teams will play with and without the certain players.
Adrain leaving Immortals for P1 will help his moral for a fresh start but now this is his 3rd team and each split he does well in but falls flat on his face when it comes to the playoffs; first with Impulse-Immortals and now P1?
Not sure where Reignover will go at this point but I would like to see him on either Team Dignitas/Apex or Team Envy.
he's confirmed to be on liquid, dardoch on echo fox.
III BAKURYU III 1 votesYeah seems like Reignover or Rain as I call him cause I get the E and I mixed up at times; will be on TL but at the time I thought it was just an option didn't know he officially signed with the team.
Miror B1 votesFrom what I can tell only the latter two are actually "official" (although wildturtle did play for tsm at iem and is in talks with dignitas, it isn't 100% done just yet).
I don't want to bury something before it's actually dead, but the prognosis on IMT for next split isn't looking good. Losing one player from a high-quality team is never a good thing (look at what happened to c9 when they lost hai last year), losing two can be ridiculously detrimental (look at what happened to OG last year), losing three in what is realistically a "dead" UFA market to teams in their own region is probably the worst thing in the world right now. Even if they keep huni/pobelter (both of them being ridiculously valuable pieces, the former potentially being a good "1-2 punch" on echo fox and the latter on the new dignitas team), who do they move forward with? Assuming all UFA's are taken into account, their roster will at best be -Huni-Contractz/Moon-Pobelter-Forgiven-Gate-. Nowhere near what it was this year, let alone a "top 5 NA team".
Oh, and if this IMT-exodus teaches us anything, it's that teams should be more careful with their players. Letting them explore other options/telling them that they only want "players who want to play for the organization" probably isn't the way to go when you have 5 of the best players in the western hemisphere.
Ale non è male2 votesHuni-Contractz-Pobelter-Forgiven-Gate-. Nowhere near what it was this year, let alone a "top 5 NA team".
They would likely not get this team together, but if they would be somehow able to do, they ARE definitively top 3-4 team NA They'd have top 2 toplaner, best ADC, middle of the pack mid - and a mid laner that can fit in a kinda supportive role for two hard carries demanding resources - and middle of the pack with potential jungler The weak point would be Gate that is not exactly good BUT he is smart enough to not become too much of a burden for the others to carry, at least at NA level, so I think they would place very high as far as talent goes among NA competition
P.S. Dardoch is FA too, if he can fix his attitude he is good at NA level, it is the basically the same evaluation as Contractz
Miror B1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ale non è male,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=lPFEAZvM,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-11-23T21:38:31.619+0000)
They would likely not get this team together, but if they would be somehow able to do, they ARE definitively top 3-4 team NA They'd have top 2 toplaner, best ADC, middle of the pack mid - and a mid laner that can fit in a kinda supportive role for two hard carries demanding resources - and middle of the pack with potential jungler The weak point would be Gate that is not exactly good BUT he is smart enough to not become too much of a burden for the others to carry, at least at NA level, so I think they would place very high as far as talent goes among NA competition
P.S. Dardoch is FA too, if he can fix his attitude he is good at NA level, it is the basically the same evaluation as Contractz
Yeah, I kinda disagree with that. If they built a roster like that, they'd have a top 3 top laner (I put soaz and smeb ahead of him because, raisins!), a mid/jg who are high-quality but are a mixed bag (pobelter not being the "hardcore carry" a la bjerg/faker and forgiven having those attitude issues), a rookie jg who is going to have an impossible time in NA (let's not forget that he'll be facing reignover, dardoch, meteos, and whoever else dignitas drags into this region with their 76ers cash), and a support who is as adorable as he is terrible (a bit like kiwikid, only that gate will actually be on an lcs roster this year). If we're referring to spring split alone, I'd doubt this team would finish higher than 6th assuming the rosters shape out as I think they will. In the summer though, things could change and the potential could be limitless.
Oh, and unless dardoch backs out then it's almost a given that he's going to be joining echo fox. It's been in the works since early august, and makes sense for everyone for a multitude of reasons.
Ale non è male2 votesYeah, I kinda disagree with that. If they built a roster like that, they'd have a top 3 top laner (I put soaz and smeb ahead of him because, raisins!)
I'm talking about NA level only Huni is top 2 alongside Impact
Are you really saying that a talented jungler that has grown under C9 org wings will have an impossible time in NA, where half of the jungler are kinda good/very good but the other half is absolute trash (P.S. and Meteos is not trash but is not good either)?
Are you trying to argue that Forg1ven would not be the undisputable best ADC in NA (when he is better in any aspect than DL that bring relevant ego problems himself)?
You doubt they would finish higher than 6th with that roster? ROFL. Unless they implode (which can be said of basically any roster, see S6 OG or S5 C9 that risked relegation before Hai return), there are multiple teams with more than 1 liability in NA, and far less potential in the individual skill of this imagined IMT roster AND lower average skill level
You are severely overrating NA if you think that roster wouldn't finish higer than 6, there are few NA residence good players around and this IMT roster would have 2 of them + 2 top tier imports for the Western scene
dakm1021 votesI gotta admit. losing reignover, turtle, and Adrian is huge. but there is a larger issue right now. I need to know fish.......... http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9rcbuqXMY1qcz39go1_250.gif
B00B001 votespopped up on TL's twitter last night confirming the signing.
honestly with dardoch able to be as aggressive as frogged likes....im interested to see if they can get a good partnership going on.
grug1 votesso TL full roster will be full korean? har har har
KazaLyn Shao1 votesRIP
