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Jatt did it right. NA pros you need do more

HollyPanda··12 votes·1,581 views

Most people thinks solo Q is not important for pro player in NA. I feel so bad that most player argue with Jatt. I think Jatt did everything right. is there other way to practice? solo Q is important because player can practice their skill by solo Q. In LPL, teams win because they have better strategies. On the other hand, CLG or TSM win a lot just because they made less mistake compare to other team. The distance between NA EU and China Korea is not about in-game strategy. NA or EU player sometime just lose lane so hard due to lack of skills. it's simple, a bronze player can be easily destroyed by golden player, even this bronze player knows better strategy. Ball is a good player in NA. I do not think he is good enough to deal with China , Korea top player right now. There were absolutely no mistake about jatt's comments about ball. Also, it is so stupid that some NA pro spends time to argue with Jatt. If you think Jatt is wrong, just let Ball prove himself in worlds.

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SadBoyRhymes2 votes

You need to learn English....

Jaythewolf2 votes

They know how to speak English and type it already. What you're looking to say is learn better sentence structure and grammar. You can't tell someone else to learn a language when you don't know how to correctly word a sentence in your own native tongue. So please next time, try not to be rude.

HollyPanda1 votes

Sorry about it.lol I did my best. Hopefully, u can understand.

daniellizard1 votes

I wonder if Ball agrees?

MCBiggah991 votes

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Most people thinks solo Q is not important for pro player in NA. I feel so bad that most player argue with Jatt. I think Jatt did everything right. is there other way to practice? solo Q is important because player can practice their skill by solo Q. In LPL, teams win because they have better strategies. On the other hand, CLG or TSM win a lot just because they made less mistake compare to other team. The distance between NA EU and China Korea is not about in-game strategy. NA or EU player sometime just lose lane so hard due to lack of skills. it's simple, a bronze player can be easily destroyed by golden player, even this bronze player knows better strategy. Ball is a good player in NA. I do not think he is good enough to deal with China , Korea top player right now. There were absolutely no mistake about jatt's comments about ball. Also, it is so stupid that some NA pro spends time to argue with Jatt. If you think Jatt is wrong, just let Ball prove himself in worlds.

I would like to agree, but this simply isn't true. The reason teams from other regions tend to win are because of better teamplay, SSW mostly crushed because they had extremely advanced rotations and beautiful teleport plays. Of course, there were some mechanics involved, but it was mostly their teamplay that won worlds for them. If I had to pick a team who do crush because of mechanics (to some extent), I'd go for SKT T1. This is a team who, even if they're two turrets and five kills behind, will be even in gold with you because of things like high cs. However, even they (a team who crush partially because of their mechanics) show excellent teamplay. Coming back from a 10k gold deficit isn't something you see on a daily basis, and SKT T1 is one of the teams who can do that.

Overall, I'd say both aspects are just as important, but when it comes to the responses of the pros, they were incorrect and uncalled for. Being mechanically gifted is a powerful tool in League of Legends, and saying that solo queue "does not matter" when it oh so obviously does matter seems wrong. Jatt's comment wasn't even worded badly, he just threw a point of discussion out there saying that this is "a worrying trend for C9". How's that even remotely impolite? He was bringing up a good point and wasn't talking down on anyone, he was doing his job as an analyst. The pros turned this into the shitstorm it shouldn't have been.

HollyPanda1 votes

Good point. Totally agree.

DestructoDave1 votes

Why is c9, or NA, recieving so much flak for their solo Q? Have you looked at some of the EU teams? Xpeke is already the worst mid at worlds as we speak, and the guy has played like 50 games. Hell, none of the Origen people are doing well or playing very many games. Yet, people are focused on how poorly NA pros are doing? They dont even have very good win-rates at their low elo. And, they arent playing very many games either.

Most NA players have played quite a bit of games. Only Fnatic has EU players actively solo Qing. While the other 2 EU teams must just be on vacation.

Honestly, you guys are going to be in for a rude awakening when Xpeke gets mauled in midlane, and Origen doesnt even beat TSM or win a game.

Ale non è male4 votes

{quoted} Xpeke is already the worst mid at worlds as we speak

AHAHAHAHAH. No seriously AHAHAHAHAH

DestructoDave1 votes

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Xpeke is already the worst mid at worlds as we speak

AHAHAHAHAH. No seriously AHAHAHAHAH

He is. Laugh all you want. He is quite possibly the worst mid at worlds thsi year, based on his summer and playoff performance, barring the wild card team's mid.

Name a mid he is better than. Every EU mid and every NA mid is better. Did you even watch EU LCS this split, or the playoffs/gauntlet? He was just meh, underperformed, looked weak, even his champ pool looked weak. You see his Azir games?

This isn't season 2/3/4. He doesnt look good. And, he doesnt seem to be practicing either. His group stage isn't easy either. Every mid in that group is way stronger than he is. Hes going to get mauled in groups. Hes facing Bjergen, Nagne, and GODV. You telling me hes better then any of those? Hes not even close this year. This is not the Xpeke of previous years, just like Balls is not the Balls of previous years.

Ale non è male2 votes

Ehm, exactly, based on what? Because he lost lane vs PoE who is arguably the best mechanically mid laner in the entire West? Because a guy that has been recently #1 rank on EUW soloQ - you know, the one from which 2 of the 3 mid laners that are going from NA come - and previously yet qualified for Worlds - he was on Lemondogs roster when they qualified for S3 Worlds in Summer Playoffs and left before Worlds - gave him serious troubles in gauntlet?

You are assuming that he is rather bad because his competition was poor, but no, his competition wasn't poor, it was top notch level... And if anything, you are basing your assumptions on few and rare evidences, since if we look at the stats, Peke was behind only Febiven among EU mid laners in Summer

xPeke is not shining like his reputation would require, but his performance have not been 2015 Balls-like, absolutely not, he has been kinda solid in a difficult environment like EU mid lane scene where the worst of the actual LCS players would be middle of the table in NA. If we want to be precise, it is not like Bjerg really shined either in NA Summer, he only looked decent to good in comparison to TSM mates that struggled all along the entire split, and this was in a weaker mid-lane scene than EU one, so why are you exactly assuimng Bjerg is going to outplay xPeke? Don't get me wrong, Bjerg is a great player and this could clearly happen, but the way you are downplaying xPeke based on...well not much, make no sense

Bídoof1 votes

Problem is all of the OTHER mids at worlds are same/better than poe/febiven which he did bad against

So yes he is one of the weakest

Ale non è male2 votes

And then what should we say about Bjerg, given that he did struggle some against mid laners which were worse than poe/febiven?

Alright, this is a pretty bad argument to use. Even faker can have (and actually had) a bad game/series here and there but no one question(ed) his level because of that. I'll repeat again here, Peke is not going through 2015 Balls-like performances here, he did decent to good in EU Summer but struggled mildly against what was top notch competition (and poe/febiven are top notch level at world, not regional level) , which is a thing that can happen to every player, even the best in the world. The other mids in the worlds know that if peke bring his A-game with him - and there is no proof that shown he has definitively lost it, he hasn't clearly declined to a far lower level as there is no evidence of that, despite what you are saying - he can beat them...and this is true for Bjerg as well, imho

peke could end up sucking at Worlds? of course. peke will surely end up sucking? This assumption has not solid arguments to back it up (and i'll add, there is huge incoherence) in this argument when you are rating a guy like Bjerg which has had similar course throughout NA summer much higher than him)

DestructoDave1 votes

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Ehm, exactly, based on what? Because he lost lane vs PoE who is arguably the best mechanically mid laner in the entire West? Because a guy that has been recently #1 rank on EUW soloQ - you know, the one from which 2 of the 3 mid laners that are going from NA come - and previously yet qualified for Worlds - he was on Lemondogs roster when they qualified for S3 Worlds in Summer Playoffs and left before Worlds - gave him serious troubles in gauntlet?

You are assuming that he is rather bad because his competition was poor, but no, his competition wasn't poor, it was top notch level... And if anything, you are basing your assumptions on few and rare evidences, since if we look at the stats, Peke was behind only Febiven among EU mid laners in Summer

xPeke is not shining like his reputation would require, but his performance have not been 2015 Balls-like, absolutely not, he has been kinda solid in a difficult environment like EU mid lane scene where the worst of the actual LCS players would be middle of the table in NA. If we want to be precise, it is not like Bjerg really shined either in NA Summer, he only looked decent to good in comparison to TSM mates that struggled all along the entire split, and this was in a weaker mid-lane scene than EU one, so why are you exactly assuimng Bjerg is going to outplay xPeke? Don't get me wrong, Bjerg is a great player and this could clearly happen, but the way you are downplaying xPeke based on...well not much, make no sense

His Azir play alone, was some of the worst I think anyone has seen the entire split, in any region. Its pretty wildly considered hes having a meh split. its pretty widely considered he's not the xpeke of old.

And, PoE is not the best mechanical mid in the west, lol. Hes a good player, but hes def. not the best. Bjerg and Febiven are probably the best. Incarnation is looking pretty decent now, too.

His champion pool is weak now. His mechanics are weak. He generally loses lane to everyone nowadays. He had an awful split; there is no questioning it.

And, he doesnt seem to be able to play the meta champs all that well. He is honestly, probably the weakest player on Origen, atm. It could all be motivation, but it doesn't take away he was one of the weaker mids this split.

And, hes going into a group vs 3 mids who are WAY better than he is currently. There is very little to argue here. Which mid is he even close to in terms of champion pool, mechanics, skill, in his group? None of them. He is by far the worst mid in group D. He is probably the worst mid at worlds, barring the wildcard teams. And, again, I think his motivation just isn't there, because almost all of Origen aren't even playing solo Q. Only Niels is the one spamming, which makes sense, because hes knew, young, and hungry. Hes the only Origen member actually playing games. The rest of the team is at the bottom of the ladder, with few games played, and with weak win-rates. Now, solo Q isn't everything, but I would not be surprised if this is another one of those times that soaz/xpeke/etc show up unprepared, something they have been prone to do. Its looking that way. And this time, I really dont think their individual skill will make up for it. Soaz still has it; xpeke don't.

Ale non è male2 votes

Faker's play on Azir is rather bad too (for top mid laner in the world standards), so I don't think that the performance on one champ can define the level of a player, because for example Faker on Azir wouldn't crack mid of the table teams in LCK

Peke did not have a great split, but he didn't have a terrible split either. Mechanically he hasn't shown signs of a decline, despite what you said, otherwise please explain his gold per minute stats and the CS@10 stats in the summer split (P.S. i don't know why Pepii is shown at ADC, but whatever)...

http://oracleselixir.com/statistics/eu/eu-lcs-2015-summer-regular-season-player-statistics/

The thing that puzzle me the most is that you are praising so much Bjerg in comparison with him when Bjerg didn't have a great split either...while bashing Peke for no reason other than he hasn't completely destroy EU competition?

Peke did not shine, again, but he has shown no sign of being a diminished player. His skills are still there, and we know what he can do when he shows his A game Can be the worst mid of his group? He could, but because the mids in his group are so good...but he could pretty much be the best in his group as well...it all depends how himself and the other show up

The only thing upon which there is very little to argue is how weak are your argumentations and how weak is your logic when you are actually praising Bjerg as well that didn't shine either...Peke has not being flashy, and Eu mid scene is really strong as of now, that's Peke "problem", lmao

Mag1c1 votes

There was one game where PePiiNeRO and Adryh switched roles, and I divide out players' stats by which role they were playing. So both of those players have two entries in the regular season stats table, an entry for each position they played.

I hope that clears it up! : )

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