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Feral Junglers Flare up in LCS Playoffs

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Feral Flare has revolutionized the jungle, at least as far as solo queue is concerned. But what has the impact of Feral Flare had on the competitive scene? The finals were dominated by five junglers: Elise, Kha'Zix, Xin Zhao, Nocturne, and Evelynn. How did Feral Flare play out in any of their matchups?

Feral Flare

Feral Flare allows junglers to farm and scale into the late game. Of course, the downside is that it incentivizes junglers to focus on their own game and not impact lanes. This can be devastating for a team if the opposing jungler chooses to focus on lane pressure, or their laners are simply stronger. While many thought Meteos would transition immediately to this style, given his farm heavy season, he doesn't “really like feral flare as an item because it only rewards a hyper passive play style”, something he doesn't believe “to be very effective in the current metagame”. However, he does think that “Feral Flare is strong on champions that auto attack a lot and can clear the jungle quickly, such as Nocturne, Master Yi, and Xin Zhao”.

Feral Flare Junglers

Nocturne, the Eternal Nightmare Nocturne was definitely the strongest of the Feral Flare junglers. He was about even vs Elise, and he performed quite well vs other junglers, including Kha'Zix and his fellow Feral Flare jungler, Xin Zhao. He showed off his significantly higher farming speed, turning that farm into a Blade of the Ruined King, making him very strong in the mid game as a ganker combined with his long ranged ultimate. However, as he got tankier towards the late game, that ultimate allowed him to dive onto back lines in late game, serving as a hugely disruptive force. The combination of fast farming, strong ganks, and late-game scaling allowed him to easily beat Kha'Zix and Xin Zhao, but did not fare particularly well vs the early game potential of Elise, combined with the strong CC she brings late game. Xin Zhao, the Seneschal of Demacia Xin Zhao was extremely hyped in solo queue, but failed to perform well in the LCS playoffs. His extremely low clear speed meant that his Feral Flare took longer to complete, and became less impressive. As such, he was completely shut down by Elise, who could snowball games well before he could make an impact. He was also beaten by Nocturne, in part due to less reliable dive-power forcing him to build tankier earlier. He performed decently well vs Kha'Zix, largely because he could duel him early on, thanks to his strong damage and spammable single-target CC.

Spirit Stone Junglers

Elise, the Spider Queen Elise was definitely the most dominant jungler in the playoffs, going 14-6. She did especially well vs the Feral Flare junglers, with a combined 9-3 record vs Xin Zhao and Nocturne. The early pressure she was able to exert on lanes compared to either of them allowed her to snowball lanes, while her late game strength has not been heavily impacted by her nerfs (on Elise mains). Meteos and Jankos both had much different builds than most Elise players, prioritizing CDR with items like Locket of the Iron Solari, Frozen Heart, and Ionian Boots of Lucidity, and went a combined 10-0. The rest of Elise junglers went more standard pen builds, and only managed a 4-6 record. Evelynn, the Widowmaker Evelynn was one of the worst-performing junglers of the playoffs. She did well vs Kha'Zix, but suffered vs every other jungler. Overall, she only had one game against Feral Flare (Xin Zhao), and she lost that game. Kha'Zix, the Voidreaver Kha'Zix was the only jungler to have a winning matchup vs Elise. However, he did not perform particularly well against the Feral Flare junglers, going 3-4 overall. He actually continued to out-scale Nocturne, serving as a combination assassin/tank, but Xin Zhao was able to fight him 1v1 early on and shut down his early game strength.

Feral Flare vs Spirit Stone

Albeit we have a small sample size, overall, Feral Flare itself was not very strong. Xin Zhao was extremely weak in almost every matchup due to his inability to farm it quickly enough. He happened to be good against Kha'Zix, due to his strength in 1v1s and 2v2s against him, but lost almost every other matchup. On Nocturne, Feral Flare was good, but not particularly dominant, with a 5-4 record against Spirit Stone junglers (his remaining two wins came against Xin Zhao). Mattias "Gentleman Gustaf" Lehman is a League of Legends mathcrafter turned esports journalist who spends his spare time staring at mountains of League of Legends data. Follow him @GentlemanGustaf on Twitter.

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30 Comments

pwvvo3l5Ag10 votes

To me, Feral Flare is extremely powerful, I wouldn't call it OP but I think it does need some balancing. I also think Yi needs a nurf because he is OP as crap with this item, compared to every other jungler, hence his 85% ban rate across all ranked queues... which is insane.

I think the fact that certain Feral Flare junglers (Udyr in particular) can SOLO baron before 25mins if they're built properly & have a Flare with some amount of stacks on it is specifically what makes it "too" powerful. I've done it on Udyr using different skill orders, as well as different items, and generally speaking, if you're able to get at least 15 stacks on your Flare after getting it before 25mins, and you have an attack speed item, an armor item (completed), and some form of magic resist (negatron or a Spectre's Cowl), you can solo baron spamming back & forth between Turtle & damage abilities, and take almost no damage while doing so... When higher level teams figure this out, it will be extremely ridiculous, I think, and thereby result in Flare being nurfed, but I doubt that'll happen anytime soon.

I do have to question why Riot has yet to nurf Yi when he has been at that extremely high ban rate since Feral Flare's release. Of course, I say that, and look at how long they took to actually "fix" Kassadin with how "broken" he was by ranked queue standards (his extremely high ban rate is what I mean).

pwvvo3l5Ag2 votes

Oh, forgot to mention, I did these soloing of barons on smurf that doesn't even have runes yet... so again... item needs balancing. For sure. lol

BlazinNewel6 votes

i hope you are doing well in bronze 5. nerf yi? yi is like the weakest champion. Yi has the weakest ganks. so idk about your bronze friends but get some wards and put them up because Yi has no cc.

Yi has no way out/no tankiness. Just stun him literally all you need to do is stun him and burst him down.

Yi is not that good of a jungler and feral flare is not that strong. You can literally just play really aggressive in lane because you know the other team jungler is farming

TheNutshack1 votes

This is only true if you build him wrong, Mercs, Flare, BotRK, Randuins, Spirit, GA = GG Yi's Fed

CrayonDragon2 votes

fun fact. transform lantern into feral flare and get 20 more stacks and any jungler could solo baron (nocturne.udyr.xin zhao....)

younique nick4 votes

Perhaps you don't remember the times when if you picked yi, you would get 'can you pick someone else plz?' Yi FINALLY got some breathing room. When he ganked somewhere, often the enemy laner would burst him down, or cc him and simply walk away to the turret. Even if he got close, he would have not enough damage to make a kill. With the feral flare, a noob champ finally got a chance. And you want to take it away from him.

TheNutshack1 votes

The logic in this is overall stupid, yi has always been strong and can pretty easily get fed and feral just makes it all that easier for him. item 3160 MasterYi summoner 14 summoner 11 = Death and Destruction

NickelsAndDimes4 votes

summoner 11

Pragmatik4 votes

". . . He [Meteos] does think that 'Feral Flare is strong on champions that auto attack a lot and can clear the jungle quickly. . . '" Feral Flare is extremely potent on the champion Udyr. I don't understand why LCS players don't use him more. I build Feral Flare>Sunfire Cape>Trinity Force>BotRK, and own solo cue.

TheHobbes3 votes

One word: Thresh

BlazinNewel3 votes

um.......... because unlike bronze 5 LCS players know how to kite. They have communiation so they can just cc the udyr so he doesn't reach the carries because he has no gap closer. That's why voli isn't played

Pragmatik2 votes

I can agree with your statement to some extent, but if you consider movement speed as a "gap closer" adding ghost to Udyr's E is all u really need. Quick in—quick out>

Menneskelig2 votes

He doesn't because he compared him to Volibear, who has a speed boost.

Duchess Snow1 votes

The biggest issue is that, like Volibear, he has a very liner form of engagement. Since they just run at them, it leaves them vulnerable to skill shot CC and overall just being kited. The same issue also bugs the likes of Yi and Singed. Move speed can work as a gap closer, but it only works so well.

higgi63 votes

I would be interesting to look at this comparison with a large sample size. We could include challenger teams. But it really is too soon to draw real conclusions on the flare expectantly with the 4.6 patch.

0mega Prime2 votes

Hodor

Cervix Crusher1 votes

Oh alright then

C9 Scott Free 1 votes

TLDR Not going through with the FF nerfs on PBE? Seeing as you have pointed out it has clear weaknesses.

Hetal101 votes

I don't know why don't they pick Shyvana in jungle, u can reach 30 1st stacks at 14 min with a good farming, you are one of the best 1v1 junglers in early, you can counter jungle, good counter ganks, just can't really gank well if the laner isn't over extanded, but she still very strong and deal so much in late with only Botrk + Feral flare + tanky items. I also think Yasuo is really good, ofc it's really hard for him to gank, but with the Feral Flare well stack he deal sooo much damage in late, against the good team and with the good team he is so strong. But yes against a team with hard cc and without bumps in his one he is useless.

I Only Jungle1 votes

Feral Flare

Attack Speed lowered to 25% from 35%
Attack damage lowered to 10 from 15
Unique Passive - Maim now reads "Maim: Basic attacks deal (25 + Feral stacks) bonus magic damage (300% against minions and monsters) and heal 10 Health on hit. Kills, assists and large monster kills grant a Feral stack." from "Maim: Basic attacks deal 100 bonus magic damage (33% against champions) and heal 10 Health on hit. This damage and heal increases with kills, assists and large monster kills."

    [Note: Tl;dr = Seems Feral Flare's heal no longer scales up with stacks and the initial damage after transformation is lower but scales up the same. ]

RIP FERAL FLARE

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/04/428-pbe-update.html

Kenny007v1 votes

summoner 21 item 3001 Aatrox

Kenny007v1 votes

I main Udyr Pheonix jungle and i can tell ya its damn OP with item 3160 If u have ur item 3160 ur unstoppable its to fucking OP the attack speed etc and its too powerfull on MasterYi too though ;P

Mig61 votes

I'm still waiting for people to realise how extremely broken shyvana is with the Flare

drunk rainbow1 votes

Eve 2 wins both by Meteos :33

Ìnstinct1 votes

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Davids Journey1 votes

MasterYi needs a nerf he is to op with item 3160 he is not fair to other champions and he is eazy to play you need to give long cooldown on his q and ulti need to give only movment speed not attack speed you need to make he more of chalange to play not so eazy ty riot for everything and the wen summonesr rift looks awesome

Chromme1 votes

Yi isnt a GOOD champion if u couter jg a yi when he do hes red or blue with jax,xin or udyr u pawn the fking.Plus yi cant cc and have to engage and he isnt tank so cc him and u kill him btw i was jinx vs a fed yi and carried my team when yi ult i put my trap on me he allphastrike he get snare and I kill him.

Kokmeat

Wo!

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