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Power Rankings - 5/19/2015

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After Taipei Assasins hoisted the Season 2 World Championship trophy, an era of Korean dominance was ushered in. While select international tournaments were not always won by Koreans, such as IPL5 or IEM Katowice 2015, marquee Worlds and All Star events have all been won by Korean teams. The streak was finally ended when Edward Gaming defeated SKTelecom T1 3-2 in the Finals of the Mid-Season Invitational. The event and individual performances vastly exceeded expectations. Ahq e-Sports Club and Fnatic proved that their regions belonged among the world's elite with narrow defeats to the aforementioned Korean team, both reaching the Semifinals. What can we learn from MSI and how will regional competition look going into the Summer Split? Find out the favorites and big winners of the offseason...

Korea

  1. SKTelecom T1
  2. CJ Entus
  3. KOO Tigers (formerly GE Tigers)
  4. KT Rolster
  5. Najin e-mFire
  6. Incredible Miracle
  7. Jin Air Green Wings
  8. Samsung
  9. Prime
  10. Anarchy
SKT had an impressive performance at MSI, but it was still below the standards we've come to expect from dominant Korean teams. Afterall, the last time we saw SKT play in Korea, they were destroying the KOO Tigers (then GE Tigers) 3-0 in the LCK Finals. However, considering that SKT barely got by CJ Entus in the Semifinals after running the table to win 3-2, it's not that surprising that SKT struggled at MSI. Given CJ Entus' impressive performance against SKT in the Champions Playoffs, we are giving them the No. 2 nod in Korea for now. However a host of challengers are rising through the ranks, especially KT Rolster and Najin e-mFire, who had great second halves of the Split. Panel: Alex Manisier, Erik "DoA" Lonnquist, Christopher "MonteCristo" Mykles, and Mike "Noctt" Huh

China

  1. Edward Gaming
  2. LGD Gaming
  3. Invictus Gaming
  4. OMG
  5. Vici Gaming
  6. Snake
  7. Team WE
  8. Masters 3
  9. Team King
  10. Qiao Gu
  11. Royal Never Give Up
  12. Unlimited Potential
EDG returns to China as victors in one of the most intense international tournaments to date. However, after the sprint that was MSI, they return to the marathon of the LPL's 44-game schedule. MSI MVP Kai "Clearlove" Ming and company still remain the undisputed best team in China, but several teams are in the mix to contend for the LPL Championship. LGD and Invictus both had massive improvements in the second half of the Split and could challenge EDG's reign. In the middle of the standings, OMG, Vici and Snake have some adjustments to make if they are going to make deep runs in the Playoffs.

Panel: Barento "Raz" Mohammed, Michale "Drexxin" Lalor, and Carlos "H0tsawce" Bravo.

North America

  1. Team SoloMid
  2. Cloud9
  3. Team Liquid
  4. Team Impulse
  5. Counter Logic Gaming
  6. Gravity
  7. Team8
  8. Enemy Esports
  9. Team Dragon Knights
  10. Team Dignitas
Expectations were high for TSM going into MSI after their dominance of IEM Katowice. However everything that could go wrong, did go wrong -- TSM suffered one of the worst underperformances in the modern League of Legends era. TSM isn't making any personnel changes after their performance, but they are adjusting based on their shortcomings. We fully expect them to bounce back in regional play in spite of their MSI troubles. Most of the other North American teams are staying the course as well, with five teams in total choosing not to change rosters for Week 1 (though Team8 has stated they will be adding Nien to their roster for Week 2). The most notable acquisition in North America is that of Nicolaj "Incarnati0n" Jensen to Cloud9. With a vastly improved mechanical player, Cloud9 looks to challenge TSM for title of best in NA -- but we're not willing to make that declaration just yet. At the bottom of the league, the newcomers have already made roster shakeups to improve their chances coming into the LCS, while Team Dignitas hasn't made personnel adjustments since barely qualifying back into the LCS.

Panel: Cameron Gilbert, Mattias "Gentleman Gustaf" Lehman, Taylor "Riot RoboTayCo" Cocke, Jason "Riot Jayway" Wai, Joshua "Riot Jatt" Leesman, and Frank "Riot Mirhi" Fields.

Europe

  1. Fnatic
  2. H2K
  3. Unicorns of Love
  4. Origen
  5. Gambit Gaming
  6. Elements
  7. SK Gaming
  8. Copenhagen Wolves
  9. ROCCAT
  10. Giants Gaming
If TSM had an underperformance at MSI, Fnatic had their magnum opus of 2015. Fnatic's play in MSI was something unlike anything we've seen out of the squad in a very long time. They were unable to defeat SKT, but still took them to the full five games. Coming off the tournament, they actually improved their roster with the addition of former team member and EU LCS MVP Martin "Rekkles" Larsson. Many will notice the very high placement of new team Origen. With a roster that includes a number of LCS (and Worlds) veterans, we are pretty confident in their ability to perform. However we'd be dishonest if we didn't admit we're not certain on this placement -- they could end up anywhere between 3 and 7. Additionally, Gambit made another marquee acquisition with Konstantinos "FORG1VEN" Tzortziou-Napoleon joining the squad after leaving SK Gaming. We also feel pretty good with Elements' roster changes, but with an entirely new roster, it's impossible to tell how the team will synergize. They are at a very conservative 6th Place right now, but it's possible they could improve.

Panel: Devin "PiraTechnics" Young, Mattias "Gentleman Gustaf" Lehman, Taylor "Riot RoboTayCo" Cocke, Jason "Riot Jayway" Wai, and Frank "Riot Mirhi" Fields.

Taiwan

  1. Ahq e-Sports Club
  2. Yoe Flash Wolves
  3. Hong Kong Esports
  4. Taipei Assassins
  5. Midnight Sun
  6. Assassin Sniper
  7. Logitech Snipers
  8. Machi Esports
Ahq has proven that Taiwan is a force to be reckoned with. After defeating both Western teams at MSI, they nearly pulled a Group Stage upset over SKT before making key errors that allowed SKT to end the game. Ahq still performed admirably and look to be the class of Taiwan for the foreseeable future. Without many impactful changes from the other top teams, we can't see ahq falling behind unless a dramatic paradigm shift happens within the regional metagame. One story to follow is the appearance of Assassin Sniper, a super team of veteran players lead by former Taipei Assassins captain and Season 2 World Champion Bo-Wei "Bebe" Cheng.

Panel: James "Obscurica" Chen and Chia "Reazony" Yu.

Brazil

  1. Keyd Stars
  2. paIN Gaming
  3. INTZ e-Sports
  4. KaBuM! Orange
  5. CNB e-Sports Club
  6. KaBuM! Black
  7. INTZ e-Sports Red
  8. g3nerationX
In a preseason ranking based primarily on offseason acquisitions, none ranks higher than Vivo Fibra Keyd Stars' signing of former INTZ e-Sports jungler, and First Split superstar, Gabriel "Revolta" Henud. Most teams in the first week of CBLoL 2015 Winter will be acclimating themselves to their new rosters, making it the easiest time for one or two players to carry a team to victory. Revolta is no stranger to former CNB 2014 teammate Murilo "takeshi" Alves, and Keyd should be able to bank on their mid and jungle synergy, along with consistent play from veteran support Caio "Loop" Almeida. Similarly, paiN Gaming is looking strong due to their signing of former Keyd carry top laner, Matheus "Mylon" Borges. INTZ falls a bit comparatively, due to the loss of Revolta and their first split support player Luan "Jockster" Cardoso's return to the jungle position. This is still a strong meta for mid laner Gabriel "Tockers" Claumann and top laner Felipe "Yang" Zhao, and it will fall on Jockster to garner advantages for his solo laners. Meanwhile, veteran support Leonardo "Alocs" Belo joins AD carry Micael "micaO" Rodrigues in the bottom lane. Also of note is KaBuM! e-Sports Orange, who reacquired AD carry Gustavo "Minerva" Alves, a player instrumental to their successful 2014 Wildcard run into Worlds.

Written by Emily Rand

Panel: Emily Rand

Japan

  1. DetonatioN FocusMe
  2. 7th Heaven
  3. RabbitFive - Finalist
  4. Ozone Rampage
  5. Rascal Jester
  6. ApeX R Gaming
DetonatioN FocusMe returns from Turkey to a whole new landscape to contend with. Every single LJL team made major roster changes during the offseason, and the last-place Salvage Javelin has been replaced with newcomers ApeX R Gaming. As every team besides FocusMe is a completely unknown quantity right now, this existing ranking is based mostly on last split performance and may shift dramatically after the matches begin this weekend. The biggest wild cards are easily Ozone Rampage and 7th heaven, both of whom have brought in two Korean players and a Korean head coach. As 7th heaven have recently committed themselves to a full-time gaming house and already proved themselves very near RabbitFive's equal, I'm giving them the No. 2 nod. Meanwhile, several LJL veterans from Rascal Jester's Ryo "apaMEN" Odagiri to RF's Kentaro "Awaker" Hanaoka will be swapping roles for the new season, continuing to search for that winning formula. In spite of FocusMe's domestic domination, they were unable to come out strong internationally. If a Japanese team is going to have a chance at Worlds this year, it's time to raise the bar across the board.

Written by Cameron Gilbert

Panel: Cameron Gilbert

Turkey

  1. Beşiktaş (2-0)
  2. HWA.Gamesatış (2-0)
  3. Oyun Hizmetleri  (2-0)
  4. Dark Passage (1-1)
  5. NumberOne eSports Club (1-1)
  6. Crew (0-2)
  7. Team Turquality (0-2)
  8. Atlas (0-2)
After a successful IWCI appearance and international exposure at MSI by Winter Split Champions Beşiktaş, the TCL Summer Split started on May 16th, hoping to build the regions recent international success. BJK proved that they are not phased by their congested tournament schedule and are still hungry for success after defeating former Summer Split champions Dark Passage in their opening matches. HWA.Gamesatış added former Gambit Gaming mid laner Sebastian "niQ" Robak to their roster, and they look increasingly strong after stomping both of the matches. Newcomers OHM also won two games thanks to their relatively light schedule. DP and NR1 are close followers to the leading pack, but since they have new players on their roster, they’ll have to improve on team chemistry and synergy. TCL games will continue next week with HWA facing OHM & DP, and BJK with an easier time facing CREW & A. Don’t forget to tune in to http://www.lolespor.com Saturday and Sunday 14.00 UTC +1 to catch the matches and for more information about the TCL.

Written by Christopher Willekens

Panel: Kursad Demirer, Christopher Willekens

Oceania

  1. Chiefs eSports Club
  2. Dire Wolves
  3. Avant Gaming
  4. Legacy eSports
  5. Team Immunity
  6. Sin Gaming
  7. Absolute
  8. Sudden Fear

The Oceanic Pro League is just a few days away from starting, and Split 2 will welcome two new teams in Sin Gaming and Absolute. Additionally, every team has made some kind of roster change from the previous split, creating a lot of uncertainty -- especially among the lower-ranking teams.

Sudden Fear have barely held onto their OPL spot by the skin of their teeth, but do not inspire a lot of confidence in us due to their struggles against Challenger teams that Sin and Absolute have had an easier time against. The 3rd-5th bracket will be in contention, but Avant seem to be the only team on the rise out of the three due to their acquisition of the young but talented bot lane of Mitchell "Destiny" Shaw and Kieran "Warble" Brown.

At the top, it's business as usual as Chiefs and Dire Wolves have both changed up their rosters in the support and jungle position, respectively. The OPL might seem like a two-horse race at the moment, but with all the roster rotations that have been happening, Split 2 is still anyone's game.

Written by Alex Manisier

Panel: Alex Manisier

International

  1. Edward Gaming
  2. SKTelecom T1
  3. LGD Gaming
  4. CJ Entus
  5. Invictus Gaming
  6. Ahq e-Sports Club
  7. Fnatic
  8. KOO Tigers
  9. KT Rolster
  10. OMG
  11. Najin e-mFire
  12. Team SoloMid
  13. yoe Flash Wolves
  14. H2K
  15. Vici Gaming
  16. Snake
  17. Cloud9
  18. Unicorns of Love
  19. Hong Kong Esports
  20. Incredible Miracle
I'll need a deep breath for this one. While ahq and Fnatic represented their regions well at MSI, there wasn't a huge trickle down effect for their entire regions being boosted up -- only a little bit. We knew the gap between Korean teams and the rest of the world was closing, and we can see that not only has it closed, but it's almost non-existent at the top. Yet, there is something to be said for depth. Our first non-Chinese or Korean team comes in at ahq at No. 6, followed by Fnatic at No. 7. The differentiation is based largely on the head to head of the teams and how they played against SKT. Most of our panel agreed that EDG was a particularly bad matchup for both teams and likely both would have been 3-0'd by the MSI Champions. TSM, and by extension North America, has a bit of work to do. However we are confident that Incarnati0n will eventually propel Cloud9 to be a legitimate international competitor again. Aside from the appearance of some of the top three NA and EU teams showing up, we mostly believe in that depth of China and Korea will eventually win out.

Images courtesy of Inven, Garena, SANKO, and paiN Gaming

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139 Comments

xayahs bich4 votes

Hi. I know some of you know me from reddit and the Boards but I made a mathematical formula for the purpose of ranking teams. I used the stats from both teams from both EU and NA LCS. all 90 games. And put the numbers into the equation and got these power ranking. I understand that I have no data on the new teams but I will be posing my results from the data of the next spit with each week

(THESE NUMBERS ARE FROM LAST SPLIT)

1st- TSM: 4.00 2nd- Cloud 9: 3.986 3rd- Liquid: 3.936 4th- CLG: 3.930 5th- TiP: 3.923 6th- Gravity: 3.879 7th- Team 8: 3.55 8th- winterfox Enemy 9th- Dignitas: 2.980 10th- coast TDK

EU LCS Spring Split 2015 Power Rankings 1st- SK Gaming: 4.407 2nd- Fnatic: 4.267 3rd- H2K: 4.089 4th- Gambit: 3.840 5th- Unicorns of Love: 3.837 6th- Copenhagen Wolves: 3.523 7th- ROCCAT: 3.327 8th- Elements: 3.246 9th- GIANTS!: 3.049 10th- MYM Origen

Now I plan to use this mathematical equation to monitor the next split and determine power rankings from my own formula and compare it to the actual power rankings released by riot.

Kremall2 votes

Just for interest: Are you going to include the spring split results for your summer split rankings or are you going to separate each split? With all the roster changes it is much likely that the teams are not repeating their results. F.e. SK Gaming lost Forg1ven and got CandyPanda back, which is most likely a downgrade, meanwhile Fnatic replaced their adc (their weakest link according to many opinions) with the 2014 MVP Rekkles.

On the other hand, calculating a score based on the overall season might become interesting since the second seed for Worlds 2015 is going to the team with the most championship points. According to Riot's theory this team should be the best or the second best team of the whole season.

xayahs bich2 votes

The results will not carry over. But I will think about adding that into a future calculation

vF9nJ6NaI14 votes

I like the way Riot ignore LAN and LAS. I feel racism for their part. I really wanted to see the ranking of Latinamerican Cup. Nice Riot! Keep it up!

vF9nJ6NaI11 votes

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BUDDIEZZ16 votes

Lol its not racism, if it was racism you wouldn't even have a server. You need to relax, sadboy.

RiotMirhi26 votes

The LATAM team usually makes Power Rankings but couldn't this week. It should be back again next week, along with CIS.

Ixnay4 votes

Does NA even play mid lane? I mean the only really good mids i can think of from NA right now are Pobelter and Shiphtur. Rest are korean and EU

Cheryl Cole2 votes

yeah i wonder aswell... But they are trying at least. Honestly dont remember single remarkable NA mid.

Earl Eulrich10 votes

prolly.

sitemoth8 votes

Remarkable is probably the right word for him but we were talking about good midlaner :P

Earl Eulrich5 votes

well, his mechanics might never have been outstanding, but his gameknowledge always has been incredible. One of the very few players that could think out of the box to find his own style and make it work in any meta...proving this further by coaching H2K to a very solid first LCS Split finsh as 3rd in EU. I think there´s more to the game than just mechanics, and players that really understand the game and don´t "just play" it are much more rare and outstanding than those mechanical "gods" that get all the hype.

kynysallop2 votes

There was Mancloud, even if his kills were because of help from xmithie setting the record for kills in a split is fairly impressive. Even on the sinking ship that was XDG he was impressive, along with sheep. His play on coast was pretty bad, but everything about coast was pretty bad

Ixnay2 votes

Key word: was. NA HAD good mid laners like Hai, Voyboy, Reginald, Mancloud etc.. But none of them play in the LCS anymore. Now that the "old elite" is gone i hoped they would replce them with soloq or challenger series talent like EU has (Febiven, Fox, PoE...)

Bloodtotemz2 votes

Hai in his pre-injury days. he showed up time and time again and if it wasnt for his injury he would have been world class easy.

Gandalf san3 votes

I love it how everyone is underrating SK Gaming's quality. When they dominated EU LCS like fuck, it was just because EU was weak (btw no NA>EU comments? ;) ) and now they are ranked on the 7th place. They lost in the Play-offs to UOL, who also forced Fnatic to a 5th game, and then lost to H2K, who were the arguably 2nd best team in EU 3:2. CandyPanda is definitely not as good as Forgiven in terms of mechanics, but the team atmosphere should improve with him and he is not BY FAR worse then Forgiven.

Kremall7 votes

These rankings can only be based on things we do know. It is unknown what SK Gaming's strategy is going to look like with CandyPanda. Their old strategy inluded Forg1ven to dominate his lane, so that they could build up an early dragon + turret + item lead. CandyPandas Playstyle was known to be more passive in lane, so it may become harder to pull off their strategy. Since nobody of the analysts knows for sure what SKs new strategy will look like, SKs ranking dropped.

Always keep in mind that these rankings are speculations only.

Troll Pool18 votes

They got figured out as a one-trick pony during Katowice. Not to mention they don't have Forg1ven anymore who is way superior to Candy Panda. They showed they couldn't compete with the best anymore without their one-trick pony strategy during playoffs so i think these rankings are completely fair.

I don't think anyone could objectively give them higher then 6th place at this time.

Didus ineptus3 votes

The thing is they were very good in the previous split before they had Forgiven as well. Back then they weren't a one-trick team. They were more tactical with good rotations, a bit like H2K this split. They got onedimensional when they added Forgiven and always played to his strenghts imo. I firmly believe they will be strong in the incoming split and more diverse in their playstyle.

Irontruth4 votes

SK still needs to learn where the wards are located in the shop.

rain Sky2 votes

Honestly i think NA and EU are pretty even but NA takes all the best players from EU so in that regard NA should be better but EU always has replacements for the players NA takes and half the time the 2nd string is better than the first. Although it doesn't really matter between NA and EU because Korea will always be the best region

Facy11 votes

''NA takes all the best players from EU'' Bjergsen that wont even be top 10 mids in EU right now and wasnt even top 5 when he left for NA? Santorin who was never considerd worldclass? Incarnation get called good in soloQ but actually no EU team wanted him as mid whyever? The players from EG that completly fails in EU splits for 2 season and went for NA?

Everything that NA teams did so far is taking mid-bottom tier EU Players and overhype them once they r in NA... like they always do.

Also disagree with Korea being the best.... its obviously China this season.

SpK Ballpit3 votes

With the others you brought up i can see where your going but i have my skepticism however with Incarnation the reason no EU team picked him up was because of his ban from competitive play until just recently. Also as a region i believe Korea is stronger but EDG is as of right now most likely the best team in the world.

Felthisone3 votes

LPL is the best LOL league atm, not LCK anymore. I won't argue Korea still the best region atm since they did produce the most impact import players. But at the same token it make LCK a much weaker league. LCK are in the same situation as NA LCS. SKT is head and shoulder above rest of the league like TSM in NA LCS. Outside of SKT and maybe CJ, rest of LCK teams fall off. LPL is 12 teams deep league and play the most game in regular split. China is already the second best region before all the top Korean talents transfer to LPL. They have full roster of both SWW and SWB from season 4. They also have 5 to 10 tier1 players from Korea beside the s4 world champions and semi finalist. If you do the calculation LPL currently has roaster of SSW, SSB, EDG, OMG, Royal Club, and LMQ. 6 team players that went to world last year. EDG clearly the top team at LPL atm, but LGD is not far behind. So is IG, Vicci, OMG, Snake, and Team WE. LPL has 7 teams that can hang with any top teams at other leagues, and you can't said the same to the other league in the worlds. EU LCS actually have more top tier teams than LCK does. Fantic, H2K, UoL, Orgin, and new Gambit. They are not at SKT level since SKT really the 2nd best team in the world, but outside of that, those teams can give any other LCK team a run and maybe even beat them.

ScareyCarey5 votes

I foresee a trend. Laud the accomplishments of EU players over NA players (very good showing at MSI btw, congrats). Then, when an EU player goes over to NA, laugh them off as not even being "top 'x' " at their position. But, if NA starts to heavily outplay EU (or do well internationally), state that it's because they have some of EU's best players on their team (which actually already happens all the time whenever NA is doing well). Lord help TSM if they win Worlds, because the moment they do it's gonna be all "half their team is from EU" comments all over again.

THE KILLER GUY4 votes

Bjergsen a mid-bottom tier? The moment he was legally allowed to play in the LCS was the moment he started playing in the pro scene and he was solo killing all of the best EU mid laners at the time. There are NO standout mid laners in EU at the moment, at the very least not more than there was during the time that Bjergsen was in EU.

Incarnation has been on pro teams in the past. If you actually paid attention to the professional scene before spewing nonsense, you'd know that he's been banned for the last couple years and the ban was lifted literally not even ten days ago.

EG didn't fail in the EU splits by any means. They got third and fourth place in consecutive years and their ADC Yellowpete was nominated as the ADC representative for EU at the 2013 Allstars before the season that EG went to NA, where Froggen and Wickd decided to stay in Europe to form the team Alliance (presently known as the much disappointing team Elements). All of the original EG members (formerly CLG EU members) ended up back in EU to retire or to continue playing.

Santorin, while he played particularly poorly at MSI, played phenomenally at IEM Katowice. I wouldn't call him world class either, but TSM has seen improvement since he joined, meaning his acquisition was worthwhile.

China definitely has a better grasp of the current meta than any other region, making them the best region. I can definitely agree to that, but your other points are really poorly educated.

eingebung1 votes

do not overhype bjergsen he is good against who? injured hai? xpece, alexich, froggen alone would all shitt on bjergsen when he was in eu he was considered as good as nukeduck (and who consideres nukeduck as one of the best mids?) bjergsen is a good mid that is all not one of the best would rank him maybe the top 5 of western midlaners ( and that is actually good and maybe even to high ranked) but i think western midlaners are underrated compared to asian (that said faker may still be the best but atleast for the 2. place froggen should be considered (i know it's hard to give one player so much honor when his team doesn't show results) ... maybe when they can make worlds again ppl will realise)

THE KILLER GUY1 votes

Froggen is nowhere near top 5 western mid laners right now and definitely not top 2 in the world. He hasn't had a standout performance since Season 4 with Alliance. Meanwhile, Bjergsen has been one of the best, if not the best, in both eu and na during his time playing in each. He has solo killed peke and froggen in eu lcs matches in the past (alex ich i am unsure, but he isn't on a starting roster for an LCS team). I think your ideas for best mid laners are outdated, because even faker isn't considered the best mid laner in the world right now. It's likely Easyhoon followed by PaWn and then Faker for close 3rd.

eingebung1 votes

you can have your own oppinion xD his performance is almost every time near perfection

bjergsen was never near the top in eu rewatch.... and ofc he killed some good midlaners solo it was assine meta and bjergesn was an assasin main... still his lvl was not near the top

and for now alex ich starts next season in na (and will destroy bjergsen but maybe double can save tsm) faker is still considered better than pawn + easyhoon and i have no clue how you build your oppinion you see someone win 2 times and than automaticly consider him better than everything before him? xD

and i think the match in worlds where xpece styled on bjergsen with anivia (which he picked first and bjerg could have even counterpicked) says all to that matter if you think froggens anivia would have done worse.... than i can not help you

na mids are so bad that even incarnation can destroy them who wanted incarnation in eu? noone just wait till alex ich cleans up the crapp over there....

THE KILLER GUY1 votes

Yo this was 6 months ago lol what are you even doing

eingebung1 votes

y and in that time i was proven correct and you wrong so are yous uck a bad loser?

eingebung1 votes

y and in that time i was proven correct and you wrong so are you such a bad loser?

TrollFan013 votes

Come the end of the Split I see the teams going to Workds being

NA- #1 TSM, #2 C9, and #3 either being TL or TIP. EU- #1 Fnatic, #2 Origen, and #3 UOL or H2K.

I can't say for the other regions but we all have a good idea who will be the #1 seeds coming out of them will be.

OHminus3 votes

You forgot Gambit in EU. They look pretty good.

Smart Kitty6 votes

Eu's probably gonna be kinda messy like last split, where you're not sure who's the best til the end.

coeurloyal2 votes

Short of TSM I think NA will be equally messy. Regardless, I'm looking for big things from both EU and NA this split. There's quite a bit of talent in both regions now and I'm ready to see them shake things up.

ADC Wolf2 votes

There is a big change C9 will become #1 since Bjergsen isn't gonna be able to carry Vs Incarnati0n Aka Apdo Dog 2. C9 has a big change of wrecking this split if Incarnati0n fits in well.

Cheryl Cole4 votes

I dont agree. Incarnati0n has zero competitive experience. And they are pretty much equal with bjerg in soloq. But the reason why c9 might able to win is top lane. Or jungle. Or adc....

coeurloyal2 votes

I don't agree, either. I think a lot of people underestimate the learning curve that comes from transitioning from solo queue into the team competitive environment. I would suspect that Incarnati0n is in for an adjustment similar to that of Piglet, who was very self-centric prior to joining TL.

C9 also has to start asking questions about where their leadership is going to be now that Hai has stepped down, and they have to build their trust in Incarnati0n as a player. It's impossible to gauge how large an adjustment they are going to undergo during this split.

ajwf3 votes

There are so many cases of it going both ways. Faker and Bjerg himself both came in from Solo queue and demanded attention. Bjerg was succeeding on a below-average team, Faker kinda did okay his first year (I think they lost semi-finals?).

The difference is, both of these two came into a new team. Incarnations, who WAS a coach/analyst for SK Gaming, is coming into an organization who literally exemplifies Western excellence and professionalism. You couldn't bring a 'solo queue god' into a better team for grooming them for a professional team. This isn't a case of Piglet coming to a forever-fourth Curse with... questionable support. This is much closer to Impact coming onto a consistent top-3 LMQ, but perhaps even a better scenario.

Organization in any sport plays a huge part in player success. Trust me, I'm a Browns fan: Look at our QB record as an organization.

CubedJustice2 votes

I can agree with that. C9 is going to struggle because of the roster changes, TSM will be fine, and EU looks right to me. However, if TL plays like they did in the playoffs, then things might be different.

ShadowFiend8122 votes

Can I get some justification for najin em Fire number 11 and KT rolster 9 sure KT was ok at the end of the split but najin did nothing did I miss something?

ShadowFiend8123 votes

Just checked last half of Korea and najin went 6-10 while KT went 9-7 so I see KT being good since most games were at the end but najin simply should not be even close to eleventh they played just as badly as the beginning of the split

Vicious Orange5 votes

yea but i doubt najin would get shat on as hard as TSM did at MSI

ShadowFiend8129 votes

Sure tsm got wrecked at msi but that's just one tournament najin got wrecked the entire split no justification there

ShadowFiend8122 votes

Sure tsm got wrecked by UOL but that was iem San jose which was months ago... I'm using recent data to support my thoughts of najin not being a top team

ShadowFiend8122 votes

Now najin lost to anarchy...

cyberpandaninja1 votes

where is wfx :( they r not on the na list

Aurelian Sol1 votes

When Edward Gaming won at MSI, I don't consider the fact that "China" won, the fact that EDG has 2 Koreans especially from Samsung White & Blue I really don't think China won, I consider 1/4 of Korea deserving the credit for winning MSI.

Cheryl Cole3 votes

Oh common stop this... When TSM took guys from another region, everything was ok. So it was EU same as NA winning IEM?

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