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Power Rankings - 7/14/2015

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The minute hand is getting closer to midnight, and the door of opportunity is closing on teams trying to make a run.

With some leagues entering their Playoffs, I'm starting to get that feeling again. Every moment we get closer to October, every new region that ends its regular season, everytime a team locks in a Playoff spot makes my body prepare for the inevitable.

Worlds is coming.

These are the last few weeks that teams have to make 2015 count. The time is now.

Find out who is primed for Regional upsets in this edition of Power Rankings...

KOREA

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  1. ( - ) SKTelecom T1 (12-0) [24-2]
  2. ( - ) KOO Tigers (9-3) [20-8]
  3. (+2) KT Rolster (7-4) [15-10]
  4. (-1) CJ Entus (7-5) [16-13]
  5. (-1) Jin Air Green Wings (7-5) [15-12]
  6. ( - ) Najin e-mFire (7-5) [16-13]
  7. ( - ) Samsung (4-8) [11-17]
  8. (+1) Incredible Miracle (3-9) [7-20]
  9. (-1) Anarchy (3-9) [11-20]
  10. ( - ) SBENU Sonicboom (0-11) [3-22]

(Match Score) [Game Score]

Korea should come with a warning sign that every ranking we make will soon be flipped on its head. I don't know if that's a sign of depth, a sign of weakness, or just a sign of inconsistency. 

Nevertheless it seems that every time a team in Korea gets a grasp on 3rd place, it quickly loses it the next week. Now it's KT Rolster's turn to enjoy it after their surprising win over CJ Entus last week. Earlier this split we bemoaned the lack of help for Chan-ho "ssumday" Kim, but it seems that Jong-Beom "Piccaboo" Lee arrived just in time.

After being a liability in professional play, Dong-hyong "Arrow" No is slowly transforming from a Solo Queue star to a legitimate carry for a top team. Piccaboo seemed to be just the catalyst necessary for his transformation and the team looks more complete with them in the bot lane.

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On the other end of the spectrum we have the Jin Air Green Wings, who have lost three of their last four matches. This doesn't mean that all hope is lost. Of those matches, two were to SKT and the other to CJ Entus -- great teams in their own right. Jin Air will need to play mistake free to beat KT next week, then continue to use that momentum to roll over the bottom half of teams if they hope to make the Playoffs.

The LCK is still an open race, but the clock is ticking...

Panel: Alex Manisier, Erik "DoA" Lonnquist, Christopher "MonteCristo" Mykles, Chris "PapaSmithy" Smith and Mike "Noctt" Huh

CHINA

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  1. ( - ) Edward Gaming (6-2-6)
  2. ( - ) Qiao Gu (5-0-9)
  3. ( - ) LGD Gaming (3-3-8)
  4. (+1) Snake (4-3-7)
  5. (+1) OMG (4-2-8)
  6. (+3) Masters 3 (4-3-8)
  7. (-3) Invictus Gaming (5-4-3)
  8. (-1) Vici Gaming (2-3-10)
  9. (-1) Unlimited Potential (2-4-8)
  10. ( - ) Royal Never Give Up (2-5-7)
  11. ( - ) Team WE (1-5-8)
  12. ( - ) Team King (1-5-8)

Record format is (W-L-T)

It's sometimes hard to rationalize rankings in China for reasons we've discussed many times -- experimentation with rosters, inconsistencies due to injuries, the length of the season. However now we have a new reason to add on top of that: Demacia Cup.

For those unfamiliar, the Demacia Cup is a regional tournament in China that pits Challenger teams with Professional teams. Sometimes this means a lot of upsets, but not this time. The problem was that some teams clearly did not give a damn about the tournament. And even more, some teams played like their LPL lives depended on it.

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I'll go over the highlights: OMG benched Jian "Uzi" Zi-Hai and had their best performance all year with Zhang "North" Yuze, finishing 2nd place in the tournament. Snake made an impressive run to 3rd place after defeating IG. LGD defeated QG 3-1 before losing to the aforementioned OMG. But the most notable performance came from EDG, who destroyed OMG mercilessly in the final. That's not the only reason it was notable: EDG finally decided to play their starters.

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EDG has been experimenting with rosters all split long, and still managed to stay tied for 1st place in China. It could be argued that turning on the kill switch this late in the split may be too late, but if EDG is once again going for blood, the rest of the world should watch out.

Panel: Barento "Raz" Mohammed, Michale "Drexxin" Lalor, Ryanne "Froskurrin" Mohr and Carlos "H0tsawce" Bravo.

NORTH AMERICA

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  1. ( - ) Gravity (11-3)
  2. (+1) Team Liquid (10-4)
  3. (+2) Team Impulse (9-5)
  4. (-2) Team SoloMid (9-5)
  5. (+1) Counter Logic Gaming (9-5)
  6. (-2) Team Dignitas (8-6)
  7. (+2) Team8 (5-9)
  8. (+2) Cloud9 (4-10)
  9. (-2)  Enemy Esports (4-10)
  10. (-2) Team Dragon Knights (1-13)

North America has a powerhouse again in Gravity. After having one of the most impressive 2-0 weeks of the Spring Split, they followed it up with another 2-0. But it seems that Gravity's story is accompanied by the comeback story of 2015 in Team Liquid.

Wind the clock back to 2015 Spring: Gwang-Jin "Piglet" Chae was getting benched for Yuri "Keith" Jew, the team looked in shambles, and had to play a tiebreaker just to get into Playoffs. Now the TL looks to be top class in the region, is improving rapidly, and can even overcome horrific mistakes and still win games (sorry Xpecial).

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CLG recovered after feeding on the bottom teams, but TSM is doing its best CLG impression with a late season collapse of its own. Losing to Team8 is inexcusable for a team that wants to be a World Championship contender. The team looks lost and without an identity right now.

Teams to watch are Team Impulse and Team Dignitas. Impulse has been on a hotstreak lately, but it's come largely to the detriment of teams in collapse (DIG and CLG) and not as much because of their own prowess. They will need to step it up to beat top teams down the stretch. Contrarily, Team Dignitas is in freefall without their coach Sami "Rico" Harbi. They need a mechanic to fix the cogs in the machine before the whole season falls apart before them.

Panel: Cameron Gilbert, Taylor "Riot RoboTayCo" Cocke, Jason "Riot Jayway" Wai, Joshua "Riot Jatt" Leesman, and Frank "Riot Mirhi" Fields.

EUROPE

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  1. ( - ) Fnatic (14-0)
  2. ( - ) Origen (10-4)
  3. ( - ) H2K (9-5)
  4. ( - ) Giants Gaming (7-7)
  5. ( - ) Unicorns of Love (7-7)
  6. ( - ) Gambit Gaming (6-8)
  7. ( - ) ROCCAT (6-8)
  8. ( - ) Elements (5-9)
  9. ( - ) SK Gaming (4-10)
  10. ( - ) Copenhagen Wolves (2-12)

I can't remember the last time Europe didn't have a paradigm shift between weeks, but this is what consistency brings.

Consistency exemplified by teams like... Unicorns of Love? It seems that 9-9 isn't that far off for the team everyone loves to root for. If they can find a way to sneak into the Playoffs, they'll be a rough matchup for anyone, even without Mateusz "Kikis" Szkudlarek.

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Finally, it looks like Fnatic's undefeated season may finally come true. After coming from behind (twice!) to defeat H2K and Origen, Fnatic is now 14-0 and looking superb. Their last challenge of the season will come from a familiar nemesis: Unicorns of Love. And wouldn't it be a great irony if UOL kept Fnatic from making LCS history.

Panel: Taylor "Riot RoboTayCo" Cocke, Jason "Riot Jayway" Wai, and Frank "Riot Mirhi" Fields.

TAIWAN

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  1. ( - ) ahq e-Sports Club (11-0-3)
  2. ( - ) Flash Wolves (9-2-3)
  3. ( - ) Hong Kong Esports (5-1-8)
  4. ( - ) Taipei Assassins (3-6-5)
  5. (+1) Midnight Sun (3-4-6)
  6. (-1) Machi 17 (2-5-7)
  7. ( - ) Assassin Sniper (2-9-3)
  8. ( - ) Logitech Snipers (1-9-4)

Record format is (W-L-T)

It is really quite a shame that the season didn't go on for one more week in Taiwan. Wong "Chawy" Xing Lei has been putting on heroics for TPA all season long -- keeping them in games they should have lost numerous times.

All they needed was one more match win, and they would have made the Playoffs. Alas, they came up just short, and Midnight Sun made it in instead.

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Now in the Playoffs, with an inferior roster in MSE and a shaken roster in HKE, it looks like we're heading to another Flash Wolves vs ahq e-Sports Club final. Luckily, if they do well, we'll see both of them come Worlds.

Panel: James "Obscurica" Chen and Chia "Reazony" Yu.

BRAZIL

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  1. ( - ) INTZ e-Sports (6-1-0)
  2. ( - ) Keyd Stars (5-1-1)
  3. ( - ) paIN Gaming (3-1-3)
  4. (+2) g3nerationX (2-4-1)
  5. (-1) CNB e-Sports Club (2-3-2)
  6. (-1) INTZ e-Sports Red (1-2-4)
  7. ( - ) KaBuM! Orange (1-4-2)
  8. ( - ) KaBuM! Black (0-4-3)

Record format is (W-L-T)

The 2015 Winter CBLoL postseason kicked off this week, with a few surprises. 

G3nerationX proved their naysayers wrong by upsetting CNB e-Sports 2-1. in their wins, G3X showed a grit and determination that was unmatched by any other team in the Quarterfinals. While they still struggle with transitioning early advantages into the mid game, their coordination throughout the set was impressive. Much-maligned jungler Lucas "Krow" Rabaça had his best games all season, and star support Matheus "Professor" Leiriao controlled G3X's team fights handily.  

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Another pleasant surprise from this past Quarterfinals weekend was paiN Gaming. In the regular season, paiN were caught off-guard more than a few times, and dropped unexpected matches. Determined to learn from their previous mistakes, paiN came out swinging against INTZ Red -- a team that had given them trouble in the regular season -- taking them down with a clean 2-0 sweep.

Written by Emily Rand

Panel: Emily Rand | Bruno "RiotButcher" Pereira

LATIN AMERICA

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  1. ( - ) KLG (10-1)
  2. ( - ) Lyon Gaming (10-1)
  3. ( - ) Gaming Gaming (9-2)
  4. ( - ) Furious Gaming (8-3)
  5. ( - ) Last Kings (5-6)
  6. ( - ) Havoks Gaming (5-6)
  7. (+1) Rebirth eSports (4-7)
  8. (-1) Dash9 Gaming (4-7)

It’s Finals week in Latin America where current champions KLG will meet Furious Gaming for the second consecutive time in the LAS finals. Even though KLG was undefeated up until a couple of weeks ago, their defeat against Rebirth eSports was no fluke as Rebirth took Game 1 of their BO5 series once again before being defeated in a decisive 3-1 by the champions.

Furious Gaming had a rough BO5 against Last Kings, the series going all the way to an exhausting five games before Furious could claim their spot in the finals. This Thursday, the LAS will decide who is playing for the Latin American cup in August.

Meanwhile in the North, Lyon Gaming are set to become the five-time LAN Regional Champions. That is, unless their newfound rivals Gaming Gaming can put their backs against the wall once more as the two top teams in the North collide in one of the most anticipated games in the history of the region. Their last encounter was a victory for GG that was witnessed by a record amount of viewers for a regular season game.

To give you an idea of how important this game is, if Gaming Gaming beats Lyon this Wednesday, it’ll be the first time ever in Latin America that Lyon Gaming does not play for the Latin American Cup in the Grand Finals. Tune in this Wednesday and Thursday to see the results of these amazing games.

Written by Erick "Skyshock" Gonzalez

Panel: Erick "Skyshock" Gonzalez

JAPAN

  1. ( - ) Ozone Rampage (9-1)
  2. ( - ) DetonatioN FocusMe (7-3)
  3. ( - ) 7th Heaven (7-3)
  4. ( - ) RabbitFive (5-5)
  5. ( - ) Rascal Jester (2-8)
  6. ( - ) ApeX R Gaming (0-10)

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There's no denying it. Ozone Rampage is the best team in Japan, a title they haven't held since World Cyber Games 2013. In control of the game from right out of the gate, Rampage exploited every weakness in FocusMe's game and finished them off 22-8. The sloppy engages and occasional critical errors that characterized Rampage's otherwise strong gameplay earlier in the season are all but gone, and they've developed into a team worthy of their reclaimed title. Now dethroned, FocusMe will have no choice but to fill in the holes in their game and fast. They're facing 7th heaven in the Semifinal this weekend, and the latter will be hungry to do what they couldn't last season and punch through to the Finals.

For the other three teams, the story is much more somber. Rabbit Five, hampered by the loss of their AD Carry for the majority of the season, fall two wins short of playoffs and lose their chance at the Championship. CROOZ Rascal Jester is still a shadow of their former selves: good enough to remain in the LJL, but unlikely to challenge the top squads. And though they showed a few good games, ApeX R Gaming ultimately went the way of Salvage Javelin with an 0-10 finish. For these three, the season is over. It's Playoffs time now.

Written by Cameron Gilbert

Panel: Cameron Gilbert

TURKEY

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  1. ( - ) Dark Passage (10-4)
  2. ( - ) HWA.Gamesatış (9-5)
  3. ( - ) Beşiktaş (12-2)
  4. ( - ) Oyun Hizmetleri (7-7)
  5. ( - ) Team Turquality (7-7)
  6. ( - ) Atlas (4-10)
  7. ( - ) NumberOne eSports Club (5-9)
  8. ( - ) CREW (2-12)

The reguilar season completed in TCL last Sunday and everyone is looking forward to the Turkish Grand Finals, where six teams will duke it out for the 2015 Championship title, as well as a chance to participate in Wild Card Qualifiers and subsequently in Worlds.

Former champions and the first and only Turkish team to compete at worlds, Dark Passage, finished the split very strongly with a seven-game win streak. Even though, they are the 2nd place in the standings, they have looked the strongest in the TCL lately. HWA.Gamesatış also is a strong contender for the title with their team synergy getting better and better each week. But they will have to fight their way through Quarterfinals, since they finished the league in 3rd place.

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Winter Split champions Beşiktaş aren't unfamiliar with finals and the big stage. They were under the spotlights during WSF, IWCI and MSI. However, they’ll need to make sure that Berke "Thaldrin" Demir and Tomáš "Nardeus" Maršálek, who have been performing under the weather lately, steer clear of distractions.

Team Turquality stepped up their performance significantly since the arrival of Swedish jungler Robin "Rawbin" Eggenberger, managing to win 7 of their last 10 matches. But they will need to improve on their late game decisions if they want repeat their success and get to the Finals, just like they did in 2013 and 2014. Oyun Hizmetleri on the other hand, had a significant performance slump. Last week, they parted ways with their ADC Mustafa Berk "Ruvelius" Baraklı, who had spectacular mechanics, but with very questionable decision making. They lost three games straight and will have to work hard against TT to advance to the Semifinals.

Turkish Grand Finals will start with quarter final games on 25-26 June 1:00 PM CET/4:00 AM PDT. Don’t forget to tune in to lolespor.com for everything about the TCL.  

Written by Kursad Demirer

Panel: Kursad Demirer, Christopher Willekens

SOUTHEAST ASIA

  1. ( - ) Bangkok Titans (2-0-0)
  2. (+3) Boba Marines (1-1-0)
  3. ( - ) Saigon Jokers (3-0-0)
  4. (-2) GIGABYTE Full Louis (2-0-0)
  5. (-1) ASUS ImbaFate (1-0-1)
  6. ( - ) Saigon Fantastic Five (0-0-2)
  7. (+5) ZOTAC United (1-1-1)
  8. (+7) Imperium Pro Team (0-1-1)
  9. (-2) Go to Sleep (0-1-1)
  10. (-1) Thirsty Chinchillas (1-1-1)
  11. (-1) Team Proioxis (1-1-0)
  12. (-1) Kuala Lumpur Hunters (1-1-0)
  13. (-5) Mineski.GLOBE (0-1-1)
  14. (-1) Impunity Legends (0-2-0)
  15. (-1) GAMEX.Wargods (0-1-1)
  16. ( - ) Jakarta Juggernauts (0-3-0)

Record format is (W-L-T)

Coming into the last week of round robin matches, three teams have cemented their spot into the second phase of the Garena Premier League. They are Bangkok Titans, Saigon Jokers and lastly, ZOTAC United after their thrilling tiebreaker win over Thirsty Chinchillas. There are still five more spots up for grabs and the last round of matches will definitely be a fiery affair.

Currently, both GIGABYTE Full Louis and ASUS ImbaFate are the favourites to qualify, as they would only require one point to proceed to the next phase. Meanwhile, the fight for qualification in Group B intensifies as Saigon Fantastic Five, GAMEX.Wargods and Imperium Pro Team are only separated by a single point. Any slip up now will be costly for the trio.

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Group D is pretty straight forward as Boba Marines are in control of their own destiny, and are expected to steamroll their last match against Go To Sleep. On the other hand, Mineski will be facing a David vs Goliath-esque task as they look to topple the infallible Bangkok Titans. It might not be impossible as BKT have already secured their qualification, and will be looking to experiment.

Last but not least, all eyes will be on Group C, as fan favorites and last season’s 3rd runner up, Impunity Legends look to accomplish a reverse sweep in the group stage. They have performed horrendously for a team who were one of the favourites to lift this season’s championship title. They will face a tough test against Team Proioxis and will be banking on GIGABYTE Full Louis beating Kuala Lumpur Hunters to have a chance at playing the tiebreakers. On the contrary, KLH will be looking to reach the knockout stages for the first time in two years. Captain and marksman, Jason “Jaeyoong” Yoong would need a repeat MVP performance in order for KLH to snatch a draw from the Vietnamese giants.

For more information about the Garena Premier League and to catch the games live, do check out the official tournament website at gpl.garena.com.

Written by Nelson Sng

Panel : Nelson "Nelson" Sng

CIS

  1. (+1) Dolphins (5-4)
  2. (-1) Hard Random (6-3)
  3. ( - ) Carpe Diem (6-4)
  4. ( - ) Tornado RoX (7-2)
  5. ( - ) Just.MSI (5-3)
  6. ( - ) Solar Wind (3-5)
  7. ( - ) Dragon (1-8)
  8. ( - ) Your Exit (2-6)

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The final week of StarSeries gave the fans lots of exciting games from the top of the table -- tiebreaks between DWS, RoX and Carpe Diem, Challenger Tournament's finals and StarSeries playoffs.

Considering unconvincing results of HR in the Challenger Tournament, they drop to the 2nd place of our Power Rankings. Meanwhilewhile Dolphins, having dominated the tiebrakers, become the leader of the pack. RoX shows a very slow and patient playstyle, which doesn't really punish enemy's mistakes, but it sufficed to get them a spot in the LAN Finals. JustMSI on the contrary disappointed their fans -- for the first time in their history we won't see them on LAN this split. 

Written by Michael "Olsior" Zverev

Panel: Michael "Olsior" Zverev

OCEANIA

  1. ( - ) Chiefs eSports Club (14-0)
  2. ( - ) Legacy eSports (10-4)
  3. ( - ) Dire Wolves (9-5)
  4. ( - ) Avant Garde (8-6)
  5. ( - ) Absolute (5-10)
  6. (+2) Sin Gaming (6-9)
  7. (-1) Sudden Fear (1-13)
  8. (-1) Team Immunity (4-10)

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Split 2 of the Oceanic Pro League has wrapped up, and Chiefs eSports Club have managed to nail the perfect season, looking like the uncontested best team in Oceania over their 14 wins. The last eight games of the season saw a few roster experiments from various teams, particularly Legacy eSports, who subbed in the jungle/mid duo of Elliot "Impaired" Capell and Brandon "Claire" Nguyen.

It's still unclear which roster Legacy intend to field in Playoffs, but regardless, they will run into some trouble against Dire Wolves, who are coming in hot. The panel agonized over whether the strong form of the Wolves would justify a bump in rank, considering Calvin "K1ng" Truong's return to form. In the end, we gave Legacy the nod thanks to their 2-0 head-to-head record, but there isn't a shred of doubt that the Legacy vs Dire Wolves match will be a tight one.

Meanwhile, Sin Gaming's tiebreaker victory over Absolute wasn't enough to pull them above their rookie rivals. Absolute's relative consistency and more decisive game plans make us confident that they will escape relegation, while Sin are still struggling to remain in form. They have a while to figure it out, but there are plenty of hungry Challenger teams at their heels.

Written by Alex Manisier

Panel: Alex Manisier, Ben "RiotBenji" de Ridder, Jake "Riot Spawn" Tiberi, Max "Riot Atlus" Anderson and Zack "Rusty" Pye

INTERNATIONAL

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  1. ( - ) SKTelecom T1 (12-0)
  2. ( - ) Edward Gaming (6-2-6)
  3. ( - ) Qiao Gu (5-0-9)
  4. ( - ) KOO Tigers (9-3)
  5. ( - ) Fnatic (14-0)
  6. ( - ) LGD (3-3-8)
  7. ( - ) ahq e-Sports Club (10-0-3)
  8. (+9) KT Rolster (7-4)
  9. (+1) Snake (4-3-7)
  10. (+1) Origen (10-4)
  11. (+4) OMG (4-2-8)
  12. (-3) CJ Entus (7-5)
  13. (+5) Gravity (11-3)
  14. (-1) Flash Wolves (9-2-3)
  15. (-3) H2K (9-5)
  16. (-2) Jin Air Green Wings (7-5)
  17. (NEW) Team Liquid (10-4)
  18. (NEW) Masters3 (4-3-8)
  19. (-11) Invictus Gaming (5-4-3)
  20. (-4) Vici Gaming (2-3-10)

There's been little movement in the Top 5 for a long time, but now it seems we've settled on about seven elite teams in the world. Fnatic and SKT look nearly untouchable, EDG and LGD look to be on the mend, KOO is fiery hot, and ahq is a puzzle that no one can solve.

And then we have the rest. 

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KT and OMG's rise were explained in Korea and China's respective sections, and it is hardly debate worthy that they don't have competitive rosters, so I'll address the elephant in the room: North America. For a long time, the NA LCS looked to be the weakest of the five major regions, and maybe this is true still. However, at the top, teams in NA are starting to look like international contenders again. They are winning with their macro-oriented play, and not their mechanics -- brains over braun. This is perhaps the biggest key to seeing if a team can compete internationally. When a team is outmatched in lanes, can it still win the game?

I think Gravity and Team Liquid have answered definitively yes. The biggest takeway from this past weekend, is that Fenix is an elite player, and if any coach decides to give him Azir, Nick Allen's ghost should perform an investigation.

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Finally, I'd like to point out that just because Origen is not Fnatic, does not mean they are not world class. Fnatic is almost undoubtedly the best Western team we've ever seen -- and there's no shame in losing to that kind of powerhouse. If they keep improving, xPeke and company will still be fine come Worlds.

Let us know your thoughts on the Power Rankings on Twitter or in the comments below.

Images courtesy of Inven, Garena, SANKO, and paiN Gaming

Frank Fields is a Senior Editor for Riot Games' Esports Web Content team. You'll find him rewinding time in Diamond or on Twitter where he'd love to talk to you about esports.

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378 Comments

Noblese25 votes

I expect EDG,SKT,FNC and 1 more chinese team in top4 this year at worlds if everything continues like this.

SAFFATLOL5 votes

Wouldn't be surprised to see them there. i still wonder how the western teams stack up vs the 2nd and third place Korean and Chinese teams though

Cryovix6 votes

the western teams, even though we lose each year, really step up at worlds. even though we always lose we do put up a good fight against the asian teams. and as far as the international list goes, the only thing i would change is i would put H2K lower. they dont seem to be able to adapt as quickly as they need to once they fall behind

SAFFATLOL4 votes

Even though we do seem to see individuals step during worlds from Western teams there is still a noticeable gap in the team play. We typically need to get an early snowball to win unfortunately. Regardless we go have better infrastructure and formatting than the past so maybe we'll see some improvement, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

CypressLB14 votes

Koo is doing amazing right now, too. KT looks great with the addition of Pic and Arrow has stepped up.

Xinii16 votes

Origen top 10 when you have OMG, CJ,IG,M3 behind them OK!

B0ugnette2 votes

These rankings are biased and so wrong in terms of analysis. I could do better rankings if I only watched half the games

CypressLB24 votes

Somehow I doubt that.

GiorgsenOP18 votes

Yep, Origen will most likely beat all of the teams you have provided.

12 30AM15 votes

nice joke eu fanboy nice joke there

Ixnay18 votes
  1. Remember TSM got destroyed by everyone, MSI must hurts for your na fanboy heart
  2. Fnatic played at MSI with Steeelback who is a lot worse adc than Rekkles so i doubt EDG would have a easy time against this fnatic
GaIes29 votes

Imo Rekkles really isn't much better than Steeelback lol. Rather, Yellowstar is a god. Also I feel like outside of Fnatic, na and eu teams aren't playing well enough to truly challenge these top tier LPL/LCK teams. Origen have showed weaknesses in playing from behind and H2K, while generally a very clean team, has been known to slip up from time to time. In NA, none of the teams are at that level yet except possibly Gravity, but TIP and TL are starting to get there, and CLG and TSM playing at their peak might get there with some proper planning.

12 30AM9 votes

origen cant even make into lpl

Warlord Skitter22 votes

Considering they have no Chinese Players, why would they go into the LPL? I'm pretty sure Origen is capable of beating the likes of Royal Never Give Up, Unlimited Potential, World Elite, and King as they are now. They could possibly contend with the middle of the pack teams in the LPL, but it's a completely different region. They have no reason at all to want to play there.

Dawnz13 votes

TSM honestly doesn't look as bad as you let on - yes the team 8 loss was horrible, but best of 1s are best of 1s. Also, they really should have won the TL game, as long as piglet didn't blind steal baron. WP Piglet, WP.

Gaxx D82 votes

TSM honestly look horible. And it's really time to stop with the "best of 1s" excuse when it comes to TSM. No other team in the world uses it, and so TSM shouldn't be an exception. During worlds there's a thing called group stage, and you don't have there Bo3 or Bo5. If they can't win a game against a team they're facing for the first time (and by the way, they are scrimming against NA teams whole season long, so they should know how to play against them), then they're basically at the wild card teams level.

McNippy9 votes

Maybe because NA and EU are the only teams with best of ones? TSM could finish 6th place in the regular split and still do well in playoffs because everyone knows how playoff-centric they are.

Gaxx D34 votes

Your point being? That they can do well in the weakest major region, because there's gonna be BO3 in the playoffs? And that justifies the "bo1s" excuse in your eyes? Then they go to worlds and don't leave a group stage. Just like a wild card team. Like I said, if TSM and their fans need to use that excuse, that only makes them look bad and weak.

CypressLB37 votes

Gaxx and Supa are correct. There's no excuse for TSM to do poorly with their resources. They're a vet team with massive funding and vet management. They're not playing with new players(Keith is great and his TL games show his impressive ability as a player) and it's not like they're new to LoL. Regressing and then blaming Bo1s is a shit excuse. When OG loses they say they fucked up their draft or they need more work on communication. They don't say, "Bo1 we could win in playoffs"

Stop using BO1s as an excuse, TSM looks like shit in many wins and losses. Honestly I feel their games have come down to waiting for late and hoping Bjerg wins a team fight.

x No Heart4 votes

Sorry, but how is EU not weaker than NA? Anything below Fnatic in the standings (aside from H2K), which is everybody, is irrelevant. Unlike the shitshow going on in EU, the bottom of the table in NA actually puts up a fight. Remember when Copenhagen Wolves and Gambit were good? Me neither, it's been a while.

Gaxx D18 votes

Aye, any team below Fnatic (and current Fnatic is a world class, so there's no shame in being weaker than them), H2K and Origen are irrelevant when it comes to international play, as in they'd get destroyed by top tier teams. But if you think, that bottom tier teams from NA are at the level of bottom tier teams of EU, you're either not watching games, or have no clue about this game at all. What I'm saying, is that bottom tier NA teams would be still bottom tier teams in EU, whereas bottom tier EU teams would easily fight for playoff spots in NA. Giants, Gambit, UoL, probably Roccat and Elements too (the current NA playstyle would favor Elements, since NA can't push mistakes the way EU does, and Elements were always late game focused team - and NA just plays a really slow type of game right now). The only teams that would struggle in NA right now are SK and CW, but it's highly doubtful they'd be behind the likes of T8, TDK or Enemy. There's your answer to "how is EU not weaker than NA".

Dinermoe11 votes

Actually a good point by CypressLB. Looking at TSM's draft this game I nearly cried...because of happiness for all of the TL fans. Banning IWD's Olaf? with like 33 % winrate. Giving FeniX Azir is also really stupid, you know what this guy does with this champion. Poorly drafted by TSM imo. Not the first time actually.

Feindesland15 votes

The "elephant in the room" should be C9, not TSM. NA lost one of its strongest teams this split and that should sadden all of us. Imho that was a major disadvantage for all NA teams as it weakened competition as a whole. Let's hope they'll retrieve former glory next season.

Apart from that it would be healthier for LoL as a whole if NA has at least one team that can complete the group stage @worlds. Although I'm more of a fnatic fan I'd certainly like to see TSM transcend their limits. I hope they make all the critics eat their words - good luck to TSM!

AeroStatikk5 votes

Yeah but with the old come the new... NA may have lost C9 but look at Gravity now. I would say they at least fill C9's shoes in terms of NA competition. Team Liquid as well. Times are a-changin, the best teams aren't the best anymore.

People could have said the same thing about EU with the fall of SK. Noob team FNC comes in, now they're a powerhouse. Just because a top team falls doesn't mean competition necessarily lessens. Logically someone has to replace them.

jankemar6 votes

holy fck "Noob team FNC comes in, now they're a powerhouse." FNC is and was always WAY ahead of the whole eu competition, summer 2k14 they just tilted i think, there's a reason they won EVERY other split.

AeroStatikk9 votes

I said noob team because they had a new roster. Soaz, Cyanide, xPeke, and Rekkles left. Nobody expected them to be #1 still.

Diinasty4 votes

I loved C9, they were the team I was rooting for most of this year but the truth is without Hai in the team to do shot calling, they are like a bunch of randoms in soloQ just making stupid plays. I like incarnation but he can never really seem to make any good plays and gets caught out quite a bit. Their performance has increased since Hai subbed in for meteos but still not nearly the same

Whiplash7 votes

Actually, C9's downfall is kind of great for the region as it opens up the top spot for more dynamic teams. Since their arrival in the LCS, the top two spots pretty much remained static (C9 and TSM), and yet neither of these teams have gone deep into Worlds. C9 lived and died by the fact that they were the most "solid" team in NA, with each of their players being above average at their position, and were lead by some pretty great shot calling by Hai. This "solid" state kept them from one thing though: an X-factor, That one player who could catch on fire and carry a game if they got going. So while they would do well in the regular season, they would crumble whenever they got matched up with a team that any true top-tier player. TSM has the ability to go deep into the brackets of Worlds, with two true game changers in Berj and WildTurtle (if he can actually play to his ability), but the inconsistency from the top lane and jungle keep them from actually being elite on the international scale.

Now enters Gravity and Team Liquid. Gravity is basically the Spurs of the LCS; they take consistency to the next level, and extremely solid team that still has the explosiveness to take over games. While none of their players are true stars yet (the exception being Keane) each one has the ability to take control of a game. Then you have Liquid, and if I were to carry on my basketball metaphor, I would call them the LCS's Clippers; a star studded team that could be the best in its league if it could only stop being so damn inconsistent. TL is basically one big X-Factor that boasts one of THE BEST ADC's in the world in Piglet, a former Worlds Champion, and two up-incoming elite players in Quas and Fenix. These two teams are unproven on the international scale, but if they can play similarly to they way they do now, they can go far.

LVitaSigma2 votes

True, Santorin is a decent player but still needs improvement, dyrus is basicaly a secondary support in top lane, Lustboy does whatever he can and bjergsen hard carries all of their games. Wildturtle can't do anything to help really, however if TSM eventually decides to go with KEITH then they will have a second carry that can make plays much like bjergsen and will be a serious contender for worlds.

Scooby Pwns On U14 votes

stop pretending keith is better than turtle, this needs to go away, noone ever gives turtle any credit when he does good, but if he makes a mistake everyone cuts his head off, meanwhile santorin is shitting the bed every game and noone is talking about it

Nik Nikerson5 votes

You're right, keith isn't better than turtle. The problem is turtle is held to a higher level, because he _is _the better player. Turtle doesn't get credit for playing well, because that's what he's expected to do bare minimum, because they know he's capable of doing more. And you don't get praise for doing the minimum required of you. Whether its fair or not, when you have the talent turtle does, people expect more than just "good".

Santorin needs to step it up big time, but he's not getting as much flack because, while he's having a bad split, he wasn't the problem (or least wasn't as big of a problem) the last time they played internationally. Turtle wasn't up to par at the MSI, and if anything, he's regressed since then. That's why tutle is getting more criticism.

TSM wants to be an elite world-class team (whether or not they can be is another discussion), and turtle isn't playing at that level. That's why there's so much pressure on him to improve. Because keith isn't that caliber of a player (at least not yet), and if they have to go to worlds without a world-class adc, they aren't going to get far.

Scooby Pwns On U8 votes

The only reason it bothers me is I've been watching since chaox and I remember when turtle joined tsm, he hasn't gotten praise for anything he's done since bjergsen joined, if turtle does better than bjerg that game or not, doesn't matter bjerg gets all the credit, id be discouraged if I was turtle because no one ever gives him credit even if he carries a game.

I get defensive of him because it feels like no one else will and he's been my favorite pro since he joined tsm. Even when he showed up so big at worlds no one was talking about it, and I saw the charts after worlds that showed dps and gpm and all that stuff, turtle did really well, but credit always goes straight to bjergsen for everything tsm does. It just saddens me that everyone keeps saying keith will be better than turtle when I don't even think I can be a tsm fan anymore if turtle leaves

Also last MSI the entire team looked alien, you cant blame it all on turtle NOONE was playing up the par, they looks like someone had replaced the entirety of tsm with body doubles, I was watching like "who the fuck is this, I don't know this tsm."

The Great Shmoop12 votes

fnatic> Koo,QG. and OG places as they should be :)

DucktickIer9 votes

I'd love to see Fnatic even get a 2-3 loss on them. It won't happen.

The Great Shmoop10 votes

2-3 loss vs skt but still cant 2-3 QG or koo? ok troll. they could 3-1 either.

CypressLB23 votes

Going 2-3 at MSI doesn't mean you can beat all LCK. Koo looks great right now, so do SKT so do Fnatic and they've all changed dramatically and improved. You need to compare them now, not 6 months ago.

erniemac95 votes

These articles are always based off region. Its honestly a bit annoying. Yes we all know China and Korea and some taiwan teams are better than eu and na. But seriously Eu played pretty well enough at msi to get their region a bit more credit. And NA is a neck and neck region, you have to perform every game to be able to get descent seed in playoffs. As in China and Korea they have their dominant teams and thats it. Btw im not a fanboy of NA or EU. Im just stating that these articles are a little to biased :)

Yamiown10 votes

But to be honest. Teams like EDG and SKT would go undefeated in Europe and NA. At this point I think NA is the weakest region because there is no consistent team. CLG started great, fell back. Dignitas started great, fell back. TSM started great, fell back. TiP started meh, are doing good now. Coast started meh, doing great now. Liquid started meh, doing great now. While in Europe Fnatic is winning literally everything while Origen and H2K barely make any mistakes either (except against Fnatic). NA really lacks consistency to be a top contender.

Gaxx D16 votes

No team makes no mistakes. It's just Fnatic is arguably the best team in the world to capitalize on those mistakes as of now (which could be seen against SKT during MSI, and they've only improved since then). I also disagree that SKT and EDG would go undefeated against Fnatic. These 3 teams are probably the main contenders for the world title as of now. And what NA lacks isn't a consistency. They lack proper coaches, analysts and shot callers. Honestly, Hai was the only shot caller in NA that could be considered world class. Perhaps NA teams come with some sort of a plan, but they suck when it comes to closing out the games, that's why most of games in NA are so slow paced.

OHminus21 votes

I think SKT and KOO are better than Fnatic at capitalizing on enemy team's mistakes and snowballing it. What I think Fnatic does really well is getting early pressure w/ Reignover, YellowStar, and Huni's early roams and teamfighting late game. SKT would probably beat Fnatic; let me explain this before you get mad. Against OG and H2K, as well as some other EU teams, Fnatic looked a bit sloppy in the early-mid game (aka the part of the game where it gets out of laning and goes into mid game). This gave the other team mid game leads, and while Fnatic did admirably getting those leads back through stellar teamfighting around objectives, SKT simply does not let go of leads. SKT has also imo improved since MSI, as Faker has been playing more consistently, Marin is dominating top lane, and Bang/Wolf are making less mistakes. Fnatic, on the other hand, could probably beat EDG in a regular season match (not sure in bo5 or bo3). EDG somethings do strange things that cost them a pivotal point in the game; i am pretty sure that their man-to man talent is the best in the world. However, sometimes they just throw during teamfights and lose questionably to other, weaker teams.

Gaxx D7 votes

I wouldn't get mad at any comment, much less a rational one. Anyway I don't disagree with you on the fact, that SKT is a team that would be much harder to beat once ahead. But as I stated in my other posts, I believe Fnatic are falling behind on purpose, just so they can learn how to play from behind. And yes, I know H2K or Origen aren't at the level of SKT, but a training against anyone is better than no training at all. What I'd like to see from Fnatic is them actually losing a game - 18-0 the dream, I know... but even one loss makes you improve more, than a flawless split.

CypressLB10 votes

Marin looks so good right now.

FinalRetaliation8 votes

Sure, they looked pretty bad. But at this point, Fnatic has been trying some new comps since they have basically secured the first seed. I think they would play a lot more respectfully against teams like SKT and KOO, they wouldn't give 2 kills before 2 minutes like that. Don't rule them out just because they are doing a little bit of sloppy work, they are very confident against the EU teams, I believe it's like AHQ. I think it was Westdoor who said that LMS is basically a vacation for them right now, and that kind of leisure has resulted in some split series for them.

Landrein18 votes

I actually (though scared to say this) think that NA is underrated). Their consistency has always been a problem, agreed. I remember yelling at my computer for many games at throws I saw coming. But, I feel NA teams have high ceilings of play. And contrary to many here, I think NA teams rely heavily on good strategic map play to win games and overcome the number of individual a tactical mistakes they make.

Comparing NA consistency to EU. EUs top teams are consistently on top, but their bottom teams are consistently on the bottom. You don't see a lot of great games outside the top 3 teams +UoL. And, while You can't take anything away from Fanatic and Origen, I would be wary of SK syndrome. Sometimes even incredibly strong teams are weakened by lack of a competitive scene. You could blame NA inconsistency on throws easily; but you could also blame it on a much closer skill level between teams.

I believe the top 6 teams in NA are actually all quiet similarly skilled. So when a patch weekends a champ pool for one team, or another team has a bad few weeks, there is a substitution, or a coach fails, It has a more profound impact on a team that was only a hair above its competitors in the first place. In short, we what we recognize as inconsistency and mistakes may be a factor of closely skilled opponents capable of punishing a and showcasing each others mistakes and who may at any time be better than one another.

Anyway, I feel NA teams should be in the standings(though not very high in the top twenty), but I believe it's too early to raise team liquid very high, and to early to preach the death of TSM. I also feel fanatic is placed about right in the standings) I expect NA teams will make it out of groups and that some people are going to be surprised to find an NA team knock out a EU team in groups. I don't expect any NA teams to make it out of Semi Finals though. In other words, I don't see, from this season, any reason to presume that NA will be any worse at worlds then they have been in the past.

Gaxx D12 votes

This "strategic map play" you're speaking of is lane swapping, and nothing else. NA teams aren't good at managing vision, preparing objectives and managing side lanes. Moreover these lane swaps are often pointless, and teams that initiate lane swap put themselves in a worse position, than if they hadn't lane swapped. Out of all the scenes I watch (major regions), NA teams are prone to make most mistakes. And world class teams will push those mistakes to the limit. There will be no slow paced games during worlds, when NA teams will play like they're playing now. Two mistakes and the game's over.

Landrein7 votes

See people like you constantly say that, but then NA performs as well or better than the EU at worlds. You then hone your arguments for the next worlds where you can declare they will lose again. Different year same story.

Gaxx D14 votes

NA performs as well or better? I think we're watching different games whatsoever. During 4 seasons of LoL, NA performed better than EU ONCE, and that was during last worlds. Season 1 - EU vs EU finals, Season 2 - 2 EU teams in semis, NA gets a free pass and TSM starts in quartefinals - they lose (overall I believe NA teams went 1-8 - CLG pulled one win against SK gaming, and that's it). Season 3 - Fnatic reached semis, Gambit quarterfinals, C9 gets a free pass and starts in quaterfinals. And then they lose. S4 is the first time in LoL history where NA teams performed better than EU, and also first time since KR/CN scene has been estabilished, that NA teams managed to get out of group stage. Now we're in season 5, and what happened in the past doesn't matter, but don't go claiming false things. I'm not saying NA is weak because they're historically the worst out of all major regions (EU, KR, CN, SEA all have world champions/finalists). I'm saying NA is weak, because NA is weak. I respect devotion to your team and obviously you have every right to cheer for them, but don't go claiming something that's just downright wrong. That NA teams are good strategically. Oh, and it's NA that talks shit about EU basically every single season, right before worlds, and then get to see their teams finish the tournament during group stage.

Jay Kenton4 votes

Let's be honest man, have you ever seen Gambit, Roccat and Elements? They don't play poor at all. They often lose just because their enemies are just better than them. It's not that Elements are mechanically weak, it's more their style is very old.

But if you organize a game between Elements or Roccat vs let's say, T8 or TDK we already know that EL or GMB would have an easy win.

Also, have you ever seen Giants? When they play good they play incredibly good. Giants in a good shape can single handle beat TSM.

T RexHasTinyArms5 votes

While there is always gonna be some bias (Rito in the business of making money so pander to the audience a little), I think there are a couple things you're over looking.

  1. Fnatic is getting more respect than any team outside of China or Korea has ever received. Yes teams have been considered western contenders vs teams from LPL before, but LPL has never been this good before and it means a lot more that Fnatic is the most legitimate contender for beating good LPL and LCK teams that has ever been there.

  2. I love NA, it's my home region so I gotta root for NA mainly (although hard to find a team to root for honestly after some of the questionable stuff w/ TL management, and just not having many good comeback/underdog stories in general). That said, in terms of rankings like this we deserve way less respect right now. Honestly I think the NA rankings may be higher than is justified. Gravity is awesome and I like the odd ball picks they have brought in, but the top two NA teams right now are not tested in terms of series play. Gravity stays unpredictable, and we haven't seen them in Bo5 really, and TL did well last playoff run, but even they admit some of their players can be pretty emotional in a Bo5. If they win the first they have a good chance to sweep, but if they struggle in the first game they may be prone to going on tilt and so it is still a bit of a question of if they've worked on that and how strong they really are in playoff format (which will be important for worlds).

Minrog9 votes

It's Dom's shotcalling that makes me uncertain about TL. They play great for most of the game and then suddenly seem like they are gunshy about pulling the trigger; it let's the opposing team get back into the game when you become passive. As far as mechanics and game sense, TL has what it needs as long as they don't turn chicken in the late game.

I don't think Gravity's unpredictability is an asset. It's more like a 50/50 thing. However, their vision control and ability to collapse into an engagement are top notch. I also think that Cop has made their pick/ban phase the best of NA, I feel like he was a pretty average AD carry but he's a world class coach. Maybe premature, we'll see.

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