Take Away for TSM Summer Split

Vastia·Aug 24, 2015·1 votes·995 views

I watched every game TSM played this split and I have a few qualms about how things ended. I am in no way bashing TSM and I will always be a fan. I just wanted to voice my frustration after this finals. TSM started the split strong and looked really good until the fallout around mid split. Reginald stepping in to help coach aggravated me very much at this point for a number of reasons:

Reginald is the owner of TSM and should have kept it that way.
Having Reginald step in to help undermines Locco and his staff.
If Reggi had a problem with how things were going he should have taken Locco aside and voiced his frustration, making it clear where he wanted the team to be. If there is a problem between coaches and management then hire new coaches.
Reginald hates CLG and coming in to coach this team put even more pressure on the players to beat CLG.
The trash talk is unprofessional and made TSM look foolish and disrespectful.

I believe TSM will continue to perform very well and maintain the highest level of play. I just think there are better way of going about it. I like the current roster of players and hope they work things out in time for worlds. This should have been an easy victory for TSM and a number one seed. Instead they are looking at a difficult road out of group stage. Lets hope they get a favorable draw.

9 Comments

LuggAug 24, 20151 votes

Owners should never attempt to coach. It always ends bad in any sport.

I feel that TSM got way too full of themselves after winning the Invitational. That led to some severe stagnation during the summer split. Their strategy was absolutely horrid and that's why they did so poorly. They changed up for the playoffs and were much better, but by then it was too late.

TurquoiseYoshiAug 24, 20152 votes

There have been some good owner coaches. In the 1920s-30s.

xJLx MCHammerAug 24, 20151 votes

I don't know what is going on internally. I'm pretty sure regi tends to have the final say. He does look like a guy who is hard to work with.

With that said, I expect Dyrus to leave TSM on his own admission or from pressure by Reginald. Wild Turtle might get kicked just because Regi bullies him.

With that said, I just think overall, TSm needs a new jungler. One that is a play maker, not a farmer.

PyroAmosAug 24, 20151 votes

TBH he should of just taken over as coach instead of taking over for coach but letting loco keep the spot. You can see loco is pretty clueless, I remember one of the videos regi asked him you see why this comp is bad, and loco just sat there with a dumb look on his face.

They should also stop worrying about playing what is meta and jus play to their strengths (keeping the meta matchups in mind)... you saw them hovering zed & LB for berjg... then picked yasuo. If your going to give your mid laner the counter pick every game, give him a good counter pick, don't put him on yasuo vs viktor. With the meta shifting to carry top laners, if they're going to keep giving berjg the counter pick every game, they need to give him a good counter pick he can win lane with, because you know dyrus is going to suffer from the blind pick every game. If they gave Berjg LB that game, he would of shyt all over viktor and he would of been a non-factor all game, instead they blind picked for dyrus against zion and counter picked for berjg to put him on a mid laner that'd go even... going even mid is simply bad when their carry is top lane and yours is mid.

I don't know whats going on with Santorin, he was so good, the meta shifted and they started putting him on tanks, and he just farmed all game. Now that the meta is shifting back to damage jungles, he is still farming all game, just on damage jungles instead of tank jungles, really not doing much else.

And the kogmaw pick every game.... why would you ban trist when trist & jinx are turtles 2 best adcs. Instead they waste a ban on trist and put turtle on a low mobility rough early game adc.... 3 times in a row when they could of saved the trist ban, banned the yasuo and first picked trist since they wanted to use first pick on adc anyway... and if CLG picked up trist first pick, it gives turtle his god-jinx + braum for lustbot bot lane.

Was a bad series, worst part is when their comp didn't work.... they built the exact same comp again.

xJLx MCHammerAug 24, 20151 votes

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TBH he should of just taken over as coach instead of taking over for coach but letting loco keep the spot. You can see loco is pretty clueless, I remember one of the videos regi asked him you see why this comp is bad, and loco just sat there with a dumb look on his face.

They should also stop worrying about playing what is meta and jus play to their strengths (keeping the meta matchups in mind)... you saw them hovering zed & LB for berjg... then picked yasuo. If your going to give your mid laner the counter pick every game, give him a good counter pick, don't put him on yasuo vs viktor. With the meta shifting to carry top laners, if they're going to keep giving berjg the counter pick every game, they need to give him a good counter pick he can win lane with, because you know dyrus is going to suffer from the blind pick every game. If they gave Berjg LB that game, he would of shyt all over viktor and he would of been a non-factor all game, instead they blind picked for dyrus against zion and counter picked for berjg to put him on a mid laner that'd go even... going even mid is simply bad when their carry is top lane and yours is mid.

I don't know whats going on with Santorin, he was so good, the meta shifted and they started putting him on tanks, and he just farmed all game. Now that the meta is shifting back to damage jungles, he is still farming all game, just on damage jungles instead of tank jungles, really not doing much else.

And the kogmaw pick every game.... why would you ban trist when trist & jinx are turtles 2 best adcs. Instead they waste a ban on trist and put turtle on a low mobility rough early game adc.... 3 times in a row when they could of saved the trist ban, banned the yasuo and first picked trist since they wanted to use first pick on adc anyway... and if CLG picked up trist first pick, it gives turtle his god-jinx + braum for lustbot bot lane.

Was a bad series, worst part is when their comp didn't work.... they built the exact same comp again.

You know, the reason it's a meta right? It's because it's strong! Leblanc got nerfed hard multiple times, as did Zed, Yasou, and a bunch of other champs. They just don't work in pro play. The fact is, mid lane isn't as important anymore as it used to, especially in NA/EU. I get that following the meta isn't always the best, especially when those are the type of play styles that the players like, but that's just how it works.

Dyrus said it himself back in finals last year when Shyvana was strong. He hates playing her, she is boring, but she is strong, she was the meta. This is the same thing with mid lane, viktor, Azir, Lulu are the strong champs right now. They scale well, they have utility, and do well through out the game.

Other than that, i agree. I think they had a horrible pick/ban. I agree, I just dont understand why they didn't take Trist or Jinx.

But as a Viktor Main.; A leblanc can't win. She has to work much harder to win the lane and then even harder after laning to have the same impact viktor has.

PyroAmosAug 24, 20151 votes

The primary weakness on viktor is his low hp & low mobility, a berjgson LB vs a pobelter viktor, berjg will solo kill him. The Diana Liquid banned out every game would of been a good pick to I think.

I disagree with you on the meta though... it is more what the people are playing than the champions that are strong. That's why there is a different 'meta' in every region, with just a handful of champs that are consistently good in all regions. Almost any champ can be mastered to the point that it will win lane... look at that one top laner (don't remember which team, or his name) that had jax banned from him almost every game of the season... jax is definitely not a meta top laner. That is bjerg on assassins (or at least was, they've practiced so much support mid lane he prolly sux at it now)... regardless the repeated yasuo attempts were just bad.

xJLx MCHammerAug 24, 20151 votes

Viktor really isn't as immobile as some think. He has a 30% movement speed after he gets an upgrade which what the players normal rush. Regardless, there are plenty of immobile champs that were played because they were strong like Cass. LCS isn't like a normal game, mid lane doesn't get ganked a lot, it's mainly a focus of top lane and bot lane rotation.

There really isn't a different meta anymore in different regions. Yes, there are deviations, but lets see the top picks

Top lane is mostly Mao, Gnar, Ryze, with some deviations Mid Lane is mostly Lulu, Azir, Viktor. Yes, Varus and Ahri do get played too Jungle: Elise, Reksai, Lee, Gargas, Nid ADC are pretty much played accross the board with the focus mainly being either Kalista, or Sivir

Yes, I get what you are saying about players like Coubleshard. Yes, he had it banned against him every game. That's one deviation; it's clearly his best champ and he isn't good with the current meta

PyroAmosAug 25, 20151 votes

yes and no... Mao and Gnar are big in every region, Ryze is almost completely ignored in NA as is Rumble 2 huge picks in almost every other region. Would of been nice to let Dyrus have the counter pick. Mid lane doesn't carry like it used to, and he is the highest solo q in tsm (#6 solo q in NA), unless Keith is still on the roster inactive (#1 solo q in NA), and if he could get a good matchup for one of his top picks (#1 rumble, #2 hecarim) its entirely likely he runs away with the series like he did with Olaf. This is the age of top lane carrys.

Funny thing is, when worlds rolls around the new patch will be out bringing about the age of tanks. Will be interesting to see how that works out.

SuperJediNinjaAug 26, 20151 votes

The trash talk is unprofessional and made TSM look foolish and disrespectful. How boring do people want LOL to be ? You just want a bunch of Canadians holding hands and just CSING so they don't hurt the enemy laner..