Actual sports require physical activities like speed.sthrenght,stamina not some dumb computer skills and BTW lol pros are not athlets in ANY way. So please explain to me how is lol a sport. Please no stupid comments or haters that think they're smart.
TurquoiseYoshi9 votesBecause if bowling is a sport, poker is a sport, golf is a sport, NASCAR is a sport, being a lumberjack is a sport (yes, that is a thing), etc, then this is easily a sport. They are extremely talented in their field. The game is heavily competitive.
Also, even though you said no stupid comments, I have to point out your grammar and spelling. It isn't good.
FruitCloak Pou1 votesI bowling is a sport and poker,golf,NASCAR,lumberjack is a sport this isn't easely a sport btw poker isn't a sport and chess asweel.
REASON: All of those sports include physical activities and sthrenght. Im not saying this game sucks or anything but i dont think it should be considered a sport because its a game. You might think your working out when you are playing lol but you're not.
The Bearded Bard6 votes[{quoted}](name=FruitCloak Pou,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=cMk3uX1n,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-07-23T07:26:43.092+0000)
I bowling is a sport and poker,golf,NASCAR,lumberjack is a sport this isn't easely a sport btw poker isn't a sport and chess asweel.
REASON: All of those sports include physical activities and sthrenght. Im not saying this game sucks or anything but i dont think it should be considered a sport because its a game. You might think your working out when you are playing lol but you're not.
Man do you see those red squiggly lines when you type? Those mean you've spelled something wrong. If you're going to argue with people, at least take the time to type it correctly. Jesus dude, you're using the universe's greatest learning tool and you continually misspell basic words EVEN WHEN IT TELLS YOU THAT YOU'RE SPELLING THEM WRONG.
Shit.
Sorry, didn't mean to rant about your horrible spelling, BUT SERIOUSLY THAT SENTENCE STRUCTURING WHO WERE YOUR TEACHERS?
Okay no, sorry again. Not the time for that. Now, back to what the OP was about; League and whether it's defined as a sport or not.
What exactly are sports? Competitive games that pit two or more people against each other. So yeah, sounds like League can totally be considered a sport.
But other than that it is a sport simply because people believe it to be a sport. We, as humans, created sports. We, as humans, get to decide what is and what isn't a sport. If literally two people consider something to be a sport, then it's a god damn sport.
FruitCloak Pou1 votes
sp4413 votesThen fucking get the red lines, English is not my native language either and I have it, what's your excuse?
Yxgl222HaX1 votesStop man... just stop. If someone dosnt understand just how much talent it takes and time and effort then there is no use wasting your breath -or time spent typing- on them. They just wont get it. Who cares what one person thinks haha. Here allow me to simplify things for you with a literal statement here is the exact dictionairy definition of a sport. "An athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc" . And here is your reference.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport
Now what does this mean? lets look at this "activity requiring SKILL OR PHYSICAL PROWESS" ... keep in mind that it VERY clearly states skill OR prowess. Not skill AND prowess. Playing this game a challenger level is literally the top 0.00847% of players in a game with over 20 million players. That means that only 1694 players in 20 million even have the capability to do this just base skill wise. Now factor in ability to work as a team, ability to grow and keep improving to be even BETTER than the 0.00847% to keep beating your opponents and in many cases having to learn an entirely new language just to communicate with your own team. Several of these Korean players are even trying to learn English for this. So yes something you have to practice 8+ hours a day all day every day like its a damn job, takes immense level of skill and tallent to do, and is a multi international competition, is a sport.
Uliadyen4205 votesPoker is a sport.. as it has a FULL ON COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT THAT IT IS PLAYED IN. Look at the World Series of Poker.
Chess has been a sport for almost 100 years now, and has been recognized as a sport by the International Olympic Committee since 1999.
The actual definition of a sport: an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
While the physical exertion is no more extensive than clicking a mouse and sitting upright, it's no different than Golf (no significant physical exertion, with the exception of walking to the damn holes) or NASCAR (sitting in a car and driving). The MENTAL exertion while playing competitive League is far more strenuous, and does require coordination and teamwork.
League of Legends IS a sport, you ignorant tard. You'll notice that THIS VERY FORUM IS CALLED 'ESPORTS'.
Esports :(also known as eSports, e-sports, competitive gaming, electronic sports) is a term for organized multiplayer video game competitions, particularly between professional players
So, stop trying to argue with the people on these boards and go learn how spell check works.
FruitCloak Pou1 votesIf you are comparing NASCAR,golf and LoL then none of them should be sports
Uliadyen4205 votesYou're just fucking stupid dude.
S H A Y C 04 votesLOL had to make a joke here
BTW lol pros are not athlets in ANY way.
Correct they are Ath-L337's
its nerdy as crap...but its funny
TurquoiseYoshi1 votesCringe
Yxgl222HaX2 votesreport phreak, smurfing
sp4415 votesWell I'm sorry that Douche McSteroidson won't have the spotlight on him for 5 seconds because some people decided to focus on the mental aspects of human aptitude for once instead of a bunch of muscle-heads chasing around an oval and being paid millions for it.
FruitCloak Pou1 votesYou do know you need mental aspects for physical sports asweel right?
sp4411 votesLike the ability to suppress the part that says you're a bad person if you beat your wife?
BeatzBoyFTW5 votesWhen OP thinks sports is an activity where people have to:
Lol is considered a sport(or technically, E-Sport) because:
But sure, go fake an injury to grab a free penalty kick. That'll make you look manly & improve your health.
Aatrox Herself4 votesIn every way. It does require skill, and They pros are athletes and are recognized by the US Government as such.
TheGrandAlliance2 votesIn every way. It does require skill, and They pros are athletes and are recognized by the US Government as such.
So US Government are now comprised of all knowing Gods are they?...
insaiyanbacca1 voteswell i mean every other country pretty much follows what america does so yeah
FruitCloak Pou1 votesIf that is so then il be the only one in next 20 years to have a healthy body :)
Aatrox Herself1 votesAs an American who has lived in America for my whole life. I take offense to that stereotype, mostly because over half of America isn't overweight.
FruitCloak Pou1 votes
Centuros4 votesPretty sure CHESS is a sport.
League has much more physical activity than chess.
PoisonedTea4 votesIt is an intellectual sport much like chess or poker. But League involves even more then that.
Not only do you have to think about ten things at once trust me you do. You also have to gain the reaction time of a professional Nascar racer. Things that happen suddenly in League and you have to react you them doing it the right way you can create out-plays doing it the wrong way you die normally.
Mat7itan3 votesIf you think gaming can't be a sport then that is up to you. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and that opinion doesn't make you right or wrong. However, you should keep an open mind and try to look at things from different views instead of just writing people off as wrong. This video discusses the topic of video games as a sport. If you watch it do as I said. Keep an open mind and try to view things from a different perspective.
Hiemdol2 votesI'm really glad that someone linked this, I was about to if I did not see it.
Reaper Soraka3 votesI don't think it's considered to be an actual sport, and it isn't usually called a sport by its community. I believe its term is "e-sport"
You can look into the differences between "sports" and "e-sports" yourself.
Eleshakai2 votesLOL is a sport because the definition of sport is not as narrow as you like to believe.
TheGrandAlliance2 votesLOL is a sport because the definition of sport is not as narrow as you like to believe.
LoL... more like the definition of Sport, among many things, have lost their meaning with time...
Eleshakai3 votesLoL... more like the definition of Sport, among many things, have lost their meaning with time...
not true. One of the first things classified as a 'sport' was a group of people riding horses as a dog chased a fox. Not even riding the horses fast. Just casually riding them. The definition has never been as narrow as you might think.
S H A Y C 02 votesi already addressed this. I am sorry reading is too OP for you. Words have more than one meaning, especially in the english language. Even in our internet speak "op" has too different meanings, it originally started out just meaning "original poster" but now thanks to video game nerds it also means "over powered" if you open your mind to the knowledge made readily availible in your internet back yard you wont come off as a such a narrow minded troglodyte(a person who is regarded as being deliberately ignorant or old-fashioned.)
Sport
noun
1.
an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
2.
a particular form of this, especially in the out of doors.
3.
diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.
4.
jest; fun; mirth; pleasantry:
What he said in sport was taken seriously.
5.
mockery; ridicule; derision:
They made sport of him.
6.
an object of derision; laughingstock.
7.
something treated lightly or tossed about like a plaything.
See. there are 7 different meanings of the word "Sport" as a noun. You believe that only one of these is relevant to anything in the entire world of stuff and things. You are wrong and short sighted.
League of Legends is an E-Sport. It's a whole new word and a whole new thing.
** Life and cultures evolve... anyone or anything that does not evolve with them gets left behind in museums and history books. Don't be that guy.**
TheGrandAlliance1 votes[{quoted}](name=ToiletteOfDoom ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=cMk3uX1n,comment-id=000400000001,timestamp=2015-07-24T14:09:06.367+0000)
Sport noun 1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc. ** Life and cultures evolve... anyone or anything that does not evolve with them gets left behind in museums and history books. Don't be that guy.**
LoL first of all way to link random definitions... anyone can do that:
Sport (n):
LoL if your gonna throw the book down then at least actually throw a book. BTW there are multiple dictionaries and schools of English thought don't you know?...
What is sad is you think E-Sports is a sport: Last time I checked over 99%+ of the world's population disagrees. Else we wouldn't be having this debate... of course going to the source of the demon that is LoL and these forums is laudable. Why don't you try asking "normal people" about E-sports... assuming they even know what that is. LoL to you it will be so.
At best E-Sports are considered a boy's fantasy diversion; alas in general a children's activity. So yes I will take "the majority of Earth's population" over some dude's random definition who sports a Team SoloMid logo alas...
Indeed it is so...
S H A Y C 02 votesAt one time the majority of the earth's population believed the earth was flat, and the sun god rah ruled the universe...dont be that guy.
If you are going to speak for the whole world, at least link us a study to back your claim. Making a blanket statement with no data to back it and without siting a single resource is pretty easy, you dont even have to right...all you have to do is claim everyone agrees with you and use words you think no one will understand like laudable to fain credibility. Not a single shred of anything resembling a fact. Smoke and mirrors nothing more.
Kindly find a way to present your argument properly.
TheGrandAlliance1 votes[{quoted}](name=ToiletteOfDoom ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=cMk3uX1n,comment-id=00040000000100000000,timestamp=2015-07-27T12:52:16.411+0000)
At one time the majority of the earth's population believed the earth was flat, and the sun god rah ruled the universe...dont be that guy.
If you are going to speak for the whole world, at least link us a study to back your claim. Making a blanket statement with no data to back it and without siting a single resource is pretty easy, you dont even have to right...all you have to do is claim everyone agrees with you and use words you think no one will understand like laudable to fain credibility. Not a single shred of anything resembling a fact. Smoke and mirrors nothing more.
Kindly find a way to present your argument properly.
Well because agreeing on numbers will never happen... let us at least examine the "best case scenario" that pro-Esports people like yourself claim.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esports
In 2013, it was estimated that approximately 71,500,000 people worldwide watched competitive gaming. Demographically, Major League Gaming has reported viewership that is approximately 85% male and 15% female, with 60% of viewers between the ages of 18 and 34. Related this appreciable male majority, female gamers within the industry are subject to significant sexism and negative stereotypes Despite this, some women within eSports are hopeful about the general progress in overcoming these problems.
Even in this "best case scenario"... you are still looking at <1% of Global Population participating in Esports. Remember the gender makeup is almost all male... and because males are not 85% of the population they are overweighted in this sample.
Using their own numbers... Esports are a non-sport to 99% of worlds population. Compared to something like Soccer that has billons of people paricpating/viewing or otherwise.
In terms of "whether it is a sport or not" of course we could debate who's definition is fair we can use Wikipedia again for this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport#Definition
The precise definition of what separates a sport from other leisure activities varies between sources. The closest to an international agreement on a definition is provided by SportAccord, which is the association for all the largest international sports federations (including association football, athletics, cycling, tennis, equestrian sports and more), and is therefore the de facto representative of international sport.
SportAccord uses the following criteria, determining that a sport should:[1] have an element of competition be in no way harmful to any living creature not rely on equipment provided by a single supplier (excluding proprietary games such as arena football) not rely on any "luck" element specifically designed into the sport
They also recognise that sport can be primarily physical (such as rugby or athletics), primarily mind (such as chess or go), predominantly motorised (such as Formula 1 or powerboating), primarily co-ordination (such as billiard sports), or primarily animal-supported (such as equestrian sport).
There has been an increase in the application of the term "sport" to a wider set of non-physical challenges such as electronic sports, especially due to the large scale of participation and organised competition, but these are not widely recognised by mainstream sports organisations.
BTW note that this Wikipedia article has spelling errors.
Because E-sports are
By this definition provided by an international organization...
So yes again... E-sports are not a Sport. I know noobs like to throw the "show me the facts argument" like you did... alas I know that you already know the facts and are simply dodging the debate. This case has been settled long ago: The ones "living in the past" are people who still think E-sports are Sports.
Indeed it is so...
S H A Y C 02 votesfirst of pleas refrain from any ad homonym attacks and stay inside the parameters of a friendly debate. There is no need to label and attack me because you disagree.
Continuing the discussion using your wikipedia reference i looked up " sports":
Definition See also: Game § Definitions
The precise definition of what separates a sport from other leisure activities varies between sources. The closest to an international agreement on a definition is provided by SportAccord, which is the association for all the largest international sports federations (including association football, athletics, cycling, tennis, equestrian sports and more), and is therefore the de facto representative of international sport.
SportAccord uses the following criteria, determining that a sport should:[1]
have an element of competition
be in no way harmful to any living creature
not rely on equipment provided by a single supplier (excluding proprietary games such as arena football)
not rely on any "luck" element specifically designed into the sport
They also recognise that sport can be primarily physical (such as rugby or athletics),** primarily mind (such as chess or go)**, predominantly motorised (such as Formula 1 or powerboating), primarily co-ordination (such as billiard sports), or primarily animal-supported (such as equestrian sport).[1] There has been an increase in the application of the term "sport" to a wider set of non-physical challenges such as electronic sports, especially due to the large scale of participation and organised competition, but these are not widely recognised by mainstream sports organisations.
Now focusing on the requirements i do admit there is a "luck" element to league of legends specifically, but only a the single micro element that you referenced, critical chance. I do not agree that the competition is "reliant" on this factor and can be won without it.
Also, this does not apply to many of the other candidates for E-Sports such as call of duty, or halo which are far more reflex based with no random or luck based elements.
Furthermore, if these:
Backgammon Chess Checkers Chinese Checkers Diplomacy Dominoes Draughts Go Go-Moku Jacquet Mancala Mahjong Risk Scrabble Shogi
can all be called Sports, then explain to me why when there is an "electronic board" and a new "game" that it can not be accepted as a sport?
TheGrandAlliance1 votes[{quoted}](name=ToiletteOfDoom ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=cMk3uX1n,comment-id=0004000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-28T18:28:00.762+0000)
not rely on equipment provided by a single supplier (excluding proprietary games such as arena football) can all be called Sports, then explain to me why when there is an "electronic board" and a new "game" that it can not be accepted as a sport?
Again your missing the key point here: All of these activities such as Chess and the like are not under the control of anyone... they are free Intellectual Property that has existed for 1000s of years in some cases. Their "equipment" isn't under control over anyone.
Whereas RIOT; or other game companies, with their "digital equipment" provided in their "digital world", control 100% of their game. And as you know they are always "changing the game meta" by themselves. Therefore by this above definition of "sport" E-sports are indeed "not a sport".
S H A Y C 01 votesi think you are using the word "equipment" a bit loosely here. They arent changing the equipment, it is still a pc, keyboard and mouse. They are changing the game and sometimes the rules, just like they do in the NFL. If the rules of football were to change would it lose its official "sport" title?
TheGrandAlliance1 votes[{quoted}](name=ToiletteOfDoom ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=cMk3uX1n,comment-id=000400000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-29T13:22:10.167+0000)
i think you are using the word "equipment" a bit loosely here. They arent changing the equipment, it is still a pc, keyboard and mouse. They are changing the game and sometimes the rules, just like they do in the NFL. If the rules of football were to change would it lose its official "sport" title?
Hardware is only part of the equipment... what makes the game is the game itself. It is software... which is equipment. Simply because it is intellectual in nature doesn't disqualify it from the example provided. Clearly you can understand what the context of that WIki was regarding... that is the sport isn't controlled by a single entity.
IN case of LoL... all actions of the game are directly controlled. They own the IP... no others can "hack the game and use it themselves". Therefore of course it is not a sport as the competition isn't open source.
NFL doesn't own football. There are other football leagues out there... albeit nonexistent in terms of popularly. Whereas RIOT==LoL.
S H A Y C 01 votesThen explain this part please:
(excluding proprietary games such as arena football)
They made an exception specifically for "proprietary games" where the equipment or as you say "software equivalent" is proprietary.
TheGrandAlliance1 votes[{quoted}](name=ToiletteOfDoom ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=cMk3uX1n,comment-id=00040000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-29T16:18:16.319+0000)
They made an exception specifically for "proprietary games" where the equipment or as you say "software equivalent" is proprietary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_football
First of all it is currently not proprietary (patent has expired in 2007). Secondly the sport is a derivative of a preexisting sport (Football) and isn't a independent sport by itself.
A-football is like DOTA is to Warcraft actually... a derivate product of an original. However in case of DOTA the source was open code.
Original DOTA could be considered an E-Sport because the DOTA content to Warcraft 3 is open source... and thus not under the control of anyone. However DOTA 2 and LoL are under the direct control of someone and exist entirely within their realm. IF LoL was open sourced and someone made a mod that was "proprietary" to LoL then perhaps it could be considered a sport using this definition. However because the entire realm is under RIOT's control it isn't a sport... simply a tool of Riot.
Lastly it goes without saying that_ this very same organization that came up with this definition of sport specifically indicated that E-Sports are not a Sport in their own opinion_ therefore any perceived "technicalities" as you may perceive it are irrelevant as far as they are considered therefore.
Indeed it is so...
S H A Y C 01 votesOriginal DOTA could be considered an E-Sport because the DOTA content to Warcraft 3 is open source... and thus not under the control of anyone. However DOTA 2 and LoL are under the direct control of someone and exist entirely within their realm. IF LoL was open sourced and someone made a mod that was "proprietary" to LoL then perhaps it could be considered a sport using this definition. However because the entire realm is under RIOT's control it isn't a sport... simply a tool of Riot.
You seem to be under a misconceived notion that league of legends is the only possible e-sport and the center for all argurmets for video games being sports. I am not debating for the sake of LoL i am debating for the sake of electronic sports in the video game realm.
Lastly it goes without saying that this very same organization that came up with this definition of sport specifically indicated that E-Sports are not a Sport in their own opinion therefore any perceived "technicalities" as you may perceive it are irrelevant as far as they are considered therefore.
Simply because an organization decides "it is so" today, doesn't meant they are correct and most certainly does NOT mean that it will ALWAYS be so. The all knowing health industry has changed its mind on the value of the egg so many times in just the last decade that you can not tell me this upcoming generation will not change the definition of "mind sports" in the more near future than you would like to believe. "i grew up on video games" generation is just reaching mid adulthood and will begin changing the face of society very soon.
oh and as far as percieved technicalities and people making decisions on what is and isnt..Darwin came up with a wonderful theory of the evolution of mankind.....we put it in our schoolbooks as fact. Darwin recanted his theory and admitted it was garbage...every school in america still teaches it. So...is it perceived technicality or stubborn refusal to accept somebody fucked up? Time will tell
TheGrandAlliance1 votes[{quoted}](name=ToiletteOfDoom ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=cMk3uX1n,comment-id=0004000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-31T13:58:13.906+0000)
You seem to be under a misconceived notion that league of legends is the only possible e-sport and the center for all argurmets for video games being sports. I am not debating for the sake of LoL i am debating for the sake of electronic sports in the video game realm.
Well this thread's OP asked the Q whether LoL is an Esport... so I keep my arguments focus on that therefore.
Simply because an organization decides "it is so" today, doesn't meant they are correct and most certainly does NOT mean that it will ALWAYS be so. The all knowing health industry has changed its mind on the value of the egg so many times in just the last decade that you can not tell me this upcoming generation will not change the definition of "mind sports" in the more near future than you would like to believe. "i grew up on video games" generation is just reaching mid adulthood and will begin changing the face of society very soon.
Perhaps if you believe in something hard enough... it will be true. The Truthiness is strong in this one...
Indeed it is so...
S H A Y C 02 votesPerhaps if you believe in something hard enough... it will be true. The Truthiness is strong in this one...
This is another ad hominem attack. So apparently you cant stick to the topic and can't refrain from attacking me personally. This debate was over a while ago. good day sir
Colgate Gator2 votesYou ask for no stupid of hateful answers, but your own phrasing makes your question seem stupid and hateful.
Icestar11862 votesEsports are not traditional sports, and nobody is trying to say they are. It's just that nobody would take "professional videogaming" seriously at first.
PoisonedTea1 votesEsports are not traditional sports, and nobody is trying to say they are. It's just that nobody would take "professional videogaming" seriously at first.
Competitive Gaming was the term used before e-sports
Esde Devel1 votesSaying that because LoL is a game and therefore isn't a sport makes no sense, since all sports are games. Golf requires no real physical activity and neither does poker.