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NA LCS Regional Qualifier stats breakdown

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Check out the stats from the 2017 NA LCS Regional Qualifier.

 

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42 Comments

TrollFan015 votes

Called it! This year we got the 3 teams we want representing NA. TSM, IMT, and C9.

Kabraxis4 votes

You mean the 3 teams YOU want representing NA. Please don't speak for us all.

TrollFan013 votes

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You mean the 3 teams YOU want representing NA. Please don't speak for us all.

They're the 3 teams most fans wanted last year and want again this year so I can. Ask around and the majority of fans will agree with me. You speak for yourself.

EpicSoap2 votes

I'd prefer CLG to IMT still... again I know more CLG fans than IMT

I FK AFK1 votes

If they have dardoch/xmite instead of Omar, I prefer CLG over IMT...

Dane Belthound3 votes

I also disagree with your sentiments. Stop projecting your feelings onto the masses in an effort to justify them.

TrollFan012 votes

You're the only one projecting your feelings. I'm making an accurate assessment.

Dane Belthound1 votes

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You're the only one projecting your feelings. I'm making an accurate assessment.

An accurate assessment? That requires data and proof. Your claim was about what "we" "want" not who wins a lot.

Dane Belthound1 votes

I also made no generalized statement about what the masses want. So I was not capable in any way of projecting my feelings. Simply pointed out that you were pretending your feelings were "our" feelings. Many people do it because it makes them feel better.

TrollFan011 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dane Belthound,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=bjM4LjoM,comment-id=000000000000000100000001,timestamp=2017-09-27T00:34:48.035+0000)

I also made no generalized statement about what the masses want. So I was not capable in any way of projecting my feelings. Simply pointed out that you were pretending your feelings were "our" feelings. Many people do it because it makes them feel better.

You said a lot here but didn't answer my question on the Twitter poll. If you don't feel confident then stop replying.

Dane Belthound1 votes

Has nothing to do with feeling confident. I could care less who people "want" at worlds. I root for whoever goes and have my favorite teams. If they don't make it, it is because they didn't earn it.

You made a baseless claim per your perception with no actual data to back it up. I simply called you on it. No arguing that point. You had nothing to back up that claim other than your "feelings" and anecdotes which is proof of nothing. Doesn't mean you are wrong, doesn't mean you are right.

If you can somehow find a way to poll the majority of the fanbase to get an accurate account for what fans think, go for it. Then you will have the basis to make that claim. Otherwise don't pretend like everyone is with you. Will I start a poll? No. I have no interest or care in what people think about who should be at worlds. I do however find it annoying when people like you make claims about what "everyone" wants based on their own personal biases. I deal with bullshitters like that at work every day where people come to me and claim, "Everyone is upset about such and such". You go look into it and "everyone" is a couple people out of hundreds.

TrollFan011 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dane Belthound,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=bjM4LjoM,comment-id=00000000000000010000000100000000,timestamp=2017-09-27T20:40:28.687+0000)

Has nothing to do with feeling confident. I could care less who people "want" at worlds. I root for whoever goes and have my favorite teams. If they don't make it, it is because they didn't earn it.

You made a baseless claim per your perception with no actual data to back it up. I simply called you on it. No arguing that point. You had nothing to back up that claim other than your "feelings" and anecdotes which is proof of nothing. Doesn't mean you are wrong, doesn't mean you are right.

If you can somehow find a way to poll the majority of the fanbase to get an accurate account for what fans think, go for it. Then you will have the basis to make that claim. Otherwise don't pretend like everyone is with you. Will I start a poll? No. I have no interest or care in what people think about who should be at worlds. I do however find it annoying when people like you make claims about what "everyone" wants based on their own personal biases. I deal with bullshitters like that at work every day where people come to me and claim, "Everyone is upset about such and such". You go look into it and "everyone" is a couple people out of hundreds.

You've done nothing to prove me wrong and since i have more upvotes it shows more people agree with me. That's the consensus. You're just making snide remarks and pretending to be smart and I'm done entertaining your nonsense. I thought you'd do better but you haven't. I'm right because everyone wanted TSM, C9, and IMT last year and they still want them this year. You can disprove it and since you and the other guy are getting all butthurt about it shows I'm right. Get over it already. Reply if you want I'm done and won't even read it. Reply to this if you agree with me.

Dane Belthound1 votes

You have done nothing to prove you right. You simply made a baseless statement that has no "proof" one way or another. A few upvotes mean nothing. How old are you? Seriously. You must be like 10 if this is how you construct an argument and determine "consensus".

TrollFan011 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dane Belthound,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=bjM4LjoM,comment-id=0000000000000001000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-02T16:12:37.742+0000)

You have done nothing to prove you right. You simply made a baseless statement that has no "proof" one way or another. A few upvotes mean nothing. How old are you? Seriously. You must be like 10 if this is how you construct an argument and determine "consensus".

Oh but I have. You replied so that means you agree with me. Glad you do so now we're done. Continue to reply if you wish but we're done. I'm right.

Kabraxis2 votes

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They're the 3 teams most fans wanted last year and want again this year so I can. Ask around and the majority of fans will agree with me. You speak for yourself.

Again, don't speak for all when that isn't the case at all.

TrollFan011 votes

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Again, don't speak for all when that isn't the case at all.

They are the 3 teams most fans want representing NA. Also, why are you still talking about this AND why is it taking you so long to reply? Either stay on it or stop.

Kabraxis2 votes

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They are the 3 teams most fans want representing NA. Also, why are you still talking about this AND why is it taking you so long to reply? Either stay on it or stop.

Sorry I barely visit these forums. They aren't the ones most fans wanted or are you going to poll the entire NA region. Otherwise once again don't assume or pressume these things if you have no way of backing them up. It's quite simple.

TrollFan011 votes

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Sorry I barely visit these forums. They aren't the ones most fans wanted or are you going to poll the entire NA region. Otherwise once again don't assume or pressume these things if you have no way of backing them up. It's quite simple.

That explains it. I have polled them. You and the other guy are the ONLY ones saying no so I have a good idea that I'm right on them being the 3 teams NA want representing them. CLG did poorly this year, and DIG couldn't keep up their strong showing. Everyone else weren't in the running anymore. TL and P1 were in the relegation tournament. EN had one good showing against CLG, while FG weren't consistent at all and has sub-par players. EF were always just there.

I backed my argument up. You're the one that never has backed up yours. That's the simple part. You're just going to say this or that and give me one off examples of a handful of people who didn't want these 3. You're not going to give any hard since or reasons why. I did with the descriptions here. You don't have any arguments. Wanna settle this with a twitter poll? I'll make one for these 3 teams and you do the opposite. We agree to STFU once the results come in and our opinion means shit afterwards. Wanna try it? I'm getting tired of arguing with you because you're not backing up your arguments.

Kabraxis1 votes

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That explains it. I have polled them. You and the other guy are the ONLY ones saying no so I have a good idea that I'm right on them being the 3 teams NA want representing them. CLG did poorly this year, and DIG couldn't keep up their strong showing. Everyone else weren't in the running anymore. TL and P1 were in the relegation tournament. EN had one good showing against CLG, while FG weren't consistent at all and has sub-par players. EF were always just there.

I backed my argument up. You're the one that never has backed up yours. That's the simple part. You're just going to say this or that and give me one off examples of a handful of people who didn't want these 3. You're not going to give any hard since or reasons why. I did with the descriptions here. You don't have any arguments. Wanna settle this with a twitter poll? I'll make one for these 3 teams and you do the opposite. We agree to STFU once the results come in and our opinion means shit afterwards. Wanna try it? I'm getting tired of arguing with you because you're not backing up your arguments.

You polled who? And what the hell are you talking about. You don't understand how a poll works as that isn't a consensus at all. Also nothing you just wrote backs up your argument at all...oy...now I remembered why I don't come to these forums.

TrollFan011 votes

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You polled who? And what the hell are you talking about. You don't understand how a poll works as that isn't a consensus at all. Also nothing you just wrote backs up your argument at all...oy...now I remembered why I don't come to these forums.

The poll is the best chance we have to end this endless back and forth. Wanna do or not?

Kabraxis1 votes

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The poll is the best chance we have to end this endless back and forth. Wanna do or not?

I don't think you understand that A) Only a minority of people view these forums and even less twitter. B) As you can't poll a MAJORITY of people who care/watch this you cannot get an accurate answer. Hence why I keep telling you to stop speaking for everyone with the initial post.

Andy Guo4 votes

And sneaky streak continues as well, five straight worlds only active player to do that.

Ghaden4 votes

Once again, Sneaky proves himself to be one of the best ADC.

HarambeDiedA Fga2 votes

lol not the best but hes pretty good, Performed well that series

I FK AFK2 votes

to me..instead of saying best, more like very consistent adc...when the team does not need him to step up, he will be playing very defensive and do what he suppose to do and play extremely safe, when the team needs him and he has enough resources, then he could step up. It's rare to see sneaky carry or having real highlight plays, but I almost never saw senaky mis-position or randomly walking without vision. I think he can carry but he has an extremely calm mind.

Feed or Famine2 votes

Being the best doesn't always mean flashy plays though. I would consider a consistently good player better than a flashy player who is hit or miss

I FK AFK1 votes

that is absolutely right. If im going to build a team, I will always choose sneaky over players like turtle, turtle is like high risk and high reward.

Kabraxis1 votes

You understand one of the best and consistent aren't mutually exclusive right?

MC Whomper3 votes

For example, Keith was consistently bad. [slayer-jinx-wink]

Narwhals1 votes

"never mis-posistion" goes and rewatches dig vs c9 playoffs and watches sneaky misposition XD <3 sneaky tho but you're right he really is more of a consistent presence.

I FK AFK1 votes

well...I am just saying that he does not make mistakes very often, no one is perfect, even faker will flash into walls sometimes

Dane Belthound1 votes

One of the best in NA. Need to see an NA team perform well on the worlds stage to actually make the proclamation of one of the best in general. TSM has been every year, Sneaky 5 years. Yet what does NA have to show for it?

RetroFire71 votes

Top 3 finish in season 1, cheated out of season 2, shit in season 3, 2 top 8 finishes in season 4, shit in season 5 again, and a top 8 finish last year. Pretty good all things considered.

Teiho1 votes

Now we just need C9 to progress further than quarter's. Going 5 times is cool and all but I wanna see improvement from the boys in blue. Otherwise this is just another wasted trip.

Kabraxis2 votes

It's never wasted. It's both experience and more income for the players. Otherwise TSM is a huge waste right?

Teiho5 votes

Considering the lack of true improvement from TSM outside of regional play (and that's only really attributed to the fact that their roster just gets more and more stacked every year), I don't see them doing much with their worlds travels. Out of all the NA teams that have gone (which if IIRC we have sent a total of 8 different teams over the course of 6 world championships) TSM is the only team to have gone every single year and the only time they've made it out of groups, was when the competition was literally still in it's infancy. I'm not here to knock on TSM, I honestly think they're a good team with a strong sense of how to play the game. But right now it feels like that knowledge only translates into their own region.

Can they win smaller international events where the competition is not nearly as fierce? Definitely. Can they pretty much wash through NALCS like a tidal wave? Most definitely. But when it comes to worlds or MSI it feels as if TSM take a proverbial step back in terms of understanding how to prepare and execute a game plan, and it shows every single year.

Every single year they come in as one of the most hyped teams from NA (Excluding 2013, that was C9's year and we all know how that went), and every year they bow out at groups. And honestly I can't fathom why that happens? Is the competition just that good? Are they not preparing properly? Maybe the nerves of worlds trumps that of the NALCS. I honestly don't have the answer, but I do know that every year it seems like the same thing happens without fail and no one learns anything from the experience.

It honestly feels like the smaller regions learn more from their mistakes than our own and that's saying something. So yeah unless both C9 and TSM can show improvement this year then I feel like it's a waste for them to keep going. All it does is block other teams that could potentially grow from this experience from going, and that's not to say they don't deserve to go. They won their way in. But that makes it even more frustrating that they're only using their experience to perpetuate their own success in what is internationally considered one of the weakest major regions.

They need to show that there is more to their repeat appearances at worlds other than being dominate in a region that any of the other competitors could potentially steam roll with little to no difficulty. They need to show that their dominance is not a fluke nor is it coming off the fact that none of the other teams have nearly as much experience as them.

As fans we should expect that at the very least from them. It's not harsh to say that experience is wasted on someone if they're not going to use it properly. It's like giving gold and experience to a teammate who then pretty much afk's in a side lane for the rest of the game but still doesn't get any turrets.

That's all I'm trying to say about this though. I get what you mean. International experience is nice and all, but I want them to finally use it. Finally show the world what they've learned over all these years. Otherwise we might as well be considered a minor region for all the good we do at these events.

Konquezt3 votes

Baby steps. We need to make it past quarter finals. Getting there has only happened twice for both C9 and TSM. TSM in year 1, C9 just last year, and both during the year they were diddled by the Samsung Twins. I feel like NA is standing in its own way when it comes to advancement.

Kabraxis1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gold King Teiho,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=bjM4LjoM,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-09-13T14:44:53.207+0000)

Considering the lack of true improvement from TSM outside of regional play (and that's only really attributed to the fact that their roster just gets more and more stacked every year), I don't see them doing much with their worlds travels. Out of all the NA teams that have gone (which if IIRC we have sent a total of 8 different teams over the course of 6 world championships) TSM is the only team to have gone every single year and the only time they've made it out of groups, was when the competition was literally still in it's infancy. I'm not here to knock on TSM, I honestly think they're a good team with a strong sense of how to play the game. But right now it feels like that knowledge only translates into their own region.

Can they win smaller international events where the competition is not nearly as fierce? Definitely. Can they pretty much wash through NALCS like a tidal wave? Most definitely. But when it comes to worlds or MSI it feels as if TSM take a proverbial step back in terms of understanding how to prepare and execute a game plan, and it shows every single year.

Every single year they come in as one of the most hyped teams from NA (Excluding 2013, that was C9's year and we all know how that went), and every year they bow out at groups. And honestly I can't fathom why that happens? Is the competition just that good? Are they not preparing properly? Maybe the nerves of worlds trumps that of the NALCS. I honestly don't have the answer, but I do know that every year it seems like the same thing happens without fail and no one learns anything from the experience.

It honestly feels like the smaller regions learn more from their mistakes than our own and that's saying something. So yeah unless both C9 and TSM can show improvement this year then I feel like it's a waste for them to keep going. All it does is block other teams that could potentially grow from this experience from going, and that's not to say they don't deserve to go. They won their way in. But that makes it even more frustrating that they're only using their experience to perpetuate their own success in what is internationally considered one of the weakest major regions.

They need to show that there is more to their repeat appearances at worlds other than being dominate in a region that any of the other competitors could potentially steam roll with little to no difficulty. They need to show that their dominance is not a fluke nor is it coming off the fact that none of the other teams have nearly as much experience as them.

As fans we should expect that at the very least from them. It's not harsh to say that experience is wasted on someone if they're not going to use it properly. It's like giving gold and experience to a teammate who then pretty much afk's in a side lane for the rest of the game but still doesn't get any turrets.

That's all I'm trying to say about this though. I get what you mean. International experience is nice and all, but I want them to finally use it. Finally show the world what they've learned over all these years. Otherwise we might as well be considered a minor region for all the good we do at these events.

Sorry for the long time no reply, as I don't view these forums often. I don't care if we are viewed as a minor region or what not. Going to worlds IS experience regardless of how it is used, and it IS extra income which everyone welcomes. That's all I'm saying, so based off that nothing is wasted.

As for the rest, outside of Season 1 and Season 2 only Koreans have won. To answer most of the rest of what you wrote, it's all in the mentality and and infrastructure. Gaming is still frowned upon as a profession in North America and Europe, not only are the cultures different there are many other social and environmental differences in Korea/China the two main regions that excel at League.

TrollFan011 votes

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Sorry for the long time no reply, as I don't view these forums often. I don't care if we are viewed as a minor region or what not. Going to worlds IS experience regardless of how it is used, and it IS extra income which everyone welcomes. That's all I'm saying, so based off that nothing is wasted.

As for the rest, outside of Season 1 and Season 2 only Koreans have won. To answer most of the rest of what you wrote, it's all in the mentality and and infrastructure. Gaming is still frowned upon as a profession in North America and Europe, not only are the cultures different there are many other social and environmental differences in Korea/China the two main regions that excel at League.

Regardless I'm still right. You can't prove I'm wrong and I have so many upvotes I can say more people agree with me than you so that's the consensus on what we have. I'm right and you're wrong. Deal with it. You're just making non-arguments. I'm done with you now. You'r enot offering anything and you're just annoying. Reply if you want I'm not even going to read it. Reply if you agree with me.

Kabraxis1 votes

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Regardless I'm still right. You can't prove I'm wrong and I have so many upvotes I can say more people agree with me than you so that's the consensus on what we have. I'm right and you're wrong. Deal with it. You're just making non-arguments. I'm done with you now. You'r enot offering anything and you're just annoying. Reply if you want I'm not even going to read it. Reply if you agree with me.

What? I'm not trying to prove anything. I was stating facts. You weren't making any arguments to begin with. HELL I wasn't even replying to you.

TheeBull1 votes

Huhi is the real MVP. Don't argue. I don't care.

ReySolomon1 votes

I'm hoping a NA team wins this year.

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