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Breaking the Meta - mid lane Sejuani

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Remember the first time you saw Annie support? At the Season 3 World Championships, Tabe brought the much maligned mage to center stage, and Tibbers ignited the imagination of support players everywhere. Sometimes, a team or player throws a curveball that makes everybody sit back and say “whoa”. And when the stars align, these picks change the game forever. These innovations take time to catch on. We’d like to speed up the process. In Breaking the Meta, we will introduce you to a champion long forgotten or in the shadows, and show you why it works (or fails) in a new role, and how to play it.

MisterOink

MisterOink is a Diamond 1 Sejuani mid main who served as an information expert for this article. He has played with Complexity’s Bubbadub on Reality Check Gaming, although he wasn’t playing Sejuani mid at the time.

Sejuani Jungle

Sejuani is a strong initiator traditionally played in the jungle for her mobility, heavy AoE slows, and hard initiates. She has an extreme amount of CC, with a knockback, an AoE slow, and an AoE stun/slow, which allows her to gank well pre or post-6. Her utility-heavy kit makes her a perfect tank jungler, although she has never seen much competitive play.

Why Sejuani Mid?

Where did Sejuani mid come from? Mister Oink was once an ordinary mid laner, who enjoyed long walks on the beach and jumping on people’s heads as Kha’Zix. However, after a name change to Mr. Oink, he “thought about how he could use his name to his advantage”, and “fell in love with Sejuani the second he tried her”. What made Sejuani so compelling? For Mister Oink, it’s all about “the rush that [he] gets when [he] locks in Sejuani”. He mused fondly that he has “become known for Sejuani, and when people see that it’s ‘Mister Oink’ playing a mid Sejuani, they get scared”. On top of that, he thinks that Sejuani is a good champion to master, because she “actually has a large amount of outplay potential between the ability to chain Arctic Assault and Flash and her massive control of teamfights with Permafrost”.

"The same tools that make Sejuani a strong jungler make her a unique mid laner"

It may sound crazy, but the same tools that make Sejuani a strong jungler make her a unique mid laner. When I first thought about Sejuani mid, the champion I first compared her to was Annie, as both revolve around a large AoE initiation. And while Annie hasn’t been a meta mid laner for a long time, her kit has the tools you’d expect: good AoE, burst, and sustained damage. However, some differences mean she plays somewhat differently during the laning phase, the mid game, and the late game.

Laning Phase

Early inability to farm When we first started playing Sejuani, we noticed a few glaring weaknesses immediately. First, she has no farming ability early on, especially before level 3. Yes, an early point in Flail of the Northern Winds will make last-hitting under tower slightly easier thanks to the on-hit effect, but her complete lack of range can cause her to be bullied by ranged auto-attacks and abilities. For the sake of our sanity, we banned Ziggs and Syndra, to avoid our mid laner being harassed at every turn and pushed under tower. Of course, other champions could harass her, but not enough to account for her later strengths. Powerful Early Ganks Due to the lack of ranged abilities, Sejuani almost always gets pushed in early, and this is where she shines. Once she has leveled Arctic Assault, she can take the fight to the enemy laner, and that’s where things get fun. As MisterOink put it, “you effectively force the mid laner to flash to get away from you, because if they don’t, they just get slowed and killed anyway”. This reminded me of jungle Skarner’s strengths, and so I decided to pair mid Sejuani with a jungle Skarner. As you can imagine, if we ever got onto anybody, they weren’t getting away. This allowed us to snowball mid in almost every game. However, you have to be very careful in those ganks, because if they fail, Sejuani finds herself out of mana, and almost useless. As well, there are some lanes Sejuani finds it hard to go in on pre-6, namely those with long range, knockbacks, and mobility. As a 5s team, we lacked the expertise with Sejuani mid to effectively deal with those lanes, but watching MisterOink play revealed another strength of Sejuani. The mobility of her Arctic Assault means that she can gank top lane or invade even pre-6, just like jungle Sejuani might. However, in general, it seems best to play the early game safe, starting with a Crystalline Flask and health potions, and farming under tower until your jungler ganks. Arctic Assault also makes you a relatively safe lane against ganks, as you can just dash away, and use your CC under tower to prevent kills (or secure your own). Finally, once she hits level 6, Sejuani really shifts into overdrive, and I started to camp mid knowing that I could get a kill whenever our ultimates were up. The range on her ultimate makes it impossible to stay in lane without being at threat of her going in on you. Between her dash and her ultimate, she has around 1800 range of initiation power. For comparison, Annie has about 1290 range on her Flash/Tibbers combo. Sejuani’s ultimate brings a stun, and the followup slow from Permafrost almost guarantees a kill as your jungler comes in, especially if Sejuani did not need to use Arctic Assault to get in range.

Mid Game

Once you group up, Sejuani really shines. She serves two primary functions at this point, picks, and teamfight control. Picks All of the same tools Sejuani brings to ganks can be used in the mid-game to punish bad rotations or poor positioning. If any target is ever isolated from their team in range of you, you can initiate on them and use your many slows to allow your team to catch up (if your combo doesn’t kill them). However, what makes Sejuani’s pick potential particularly dangerous is Sejuani’s ult explodes at the first target it hits, which means that if even one target gets caught of position, the whole team can be caught in the resulting AoE slow. The end result is a champion who can take advantage of even the smallest positional mistake to make a pick. On top of that, Glacial Prison allows her to cast Permafrost on all targets hit for massive burst., as Mister Oink showed on his stream. However, this does mean that a lot of her potential is tied up in the ability to make picks, and any champions who can shut down her pick potential perform quite well against her. According to MisterOink, she’s pretty worthless against a good Yasuo courtesy of Wind Wall, and we had been banning him under similar reasoning. This also means that any smart team will rush Banshee’s Veil against her, but more on that later.

Builds

Sejuani can’t afford to build like most mid laners, due to low AP ratios. Comparing her burst combo ratios to a champion like Annie, she falls way behind, at 2.0 to 2.6. As such, you’re much better off building to her base values by stacking Magic Penetration (MPen). Accordingly, MPen Quints are a much stronger choice than hybrid Pen.

"Comparing [Sejuani's] burst combo ratios to a champion like Annie, she falls way behind, at 2.0 to 2.6. You're much better off building her base values by stacking magic penetration"

Both MisterOink and our team agree that rushing Haunting Guise is the choice to make: not only does the MPen boost your damage, but the Health both makes you tankier and buffs the damage of your W. After that, Sorc Shoes gives you more MPen, and then DFG gives you more AP scaling and burst. With these three items and penetration from runes and masteries, we found ourselves able to consistently combo down carries, especially if we caught them out of position. From there, Banshee’s Veil will be a must-buy for the enemy team, which makes Void Staff a more than acceptable next item. However, without it, Rabadon’s will boost your damage, while Zhonya’s will make up for such a squishy build on a melee champion.

Prognosis

So are we likely to see Sejuani hit the Rift in the pro scene or even in the meta? Perhaps not. Between her weakness to poke in lane, and the high number of abilities which allow you to nullify pick or initiation abilities, we found ourselves spending all of our bans to enable Sejuani. All of these factors make Sejuani an unlikely pick at all, let alone in the mid lane. But worse, the meta is trending towards longer and longer ranged mid laners, with Xerath being particularly common at the moment, and that range allows for a lot of laning abuse vs Sejuani. This means that even despite bans, Sejuani could be in a weak position. It’s unlikely we’ll see this pick come up in the near future without a meta shift. But of course, the right team could always run her in the right composition. Mattias "Gentleman Gustaf" Lehman is a League of Legends math-crafter turned esports journalist who spends his spare time staring at mountains of League of Legends data. Tweet the next champion you’d like to see on Breaking the Meta @GentlemanGustaf.

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20 Comments

ploki1225 votes

Great blog from GentlemanGustaf, glad to see him writing for lolesports.

He asked for tweets for future champions, and although this isn't twitter, I hope he'll come see the feedback in here. One champion I would really like him to cover is Poppy for various reasons.

First of all, a bit like Sejuani, she's labeled as "out of meta" and "too weak/bad to be played", but there is one play style that fits her incredibly well right now : Jungle (technically, you can also play her support with great success, but it's a lot safer in the jungle and it's easier to snowball ahead keeping the initial Poppy feeling intact).

Next, she's currently riddled with minor bugs and annoyance, and having more people play her would accelerate the bugfixes. I wouldn't suggest it if it was major bugs that cost games, in most of the cases they're bugs that even if they happened 5-10 times per games (which they don't) they probably would cause 1 death/life every 10 games or so.

Lastly, the same blog process could be done since there are a few Poppy mains in the high D1 bracket (Opened(twitch.tv/opened87) and Benign Sentinel(twitch.tv/eroticles) among probably others I don't know) as well as a few pros(Quas is the main one) that used to play her quite extensively.

Everyone should band together for the "Help an Orphan Female Yordle Blacksmith Day"! Poppy

RiotSkarnye West2 votes

Aw, thanks for the feedback :p

We'll see what we can do, but I definitely want to hit Poppy up at some point. No promises, of course.

ploki1221 votes

Btw, is this post a one-shot deal, where they simply liked what you posted and agreed to publish it, or were you approached by Riot to work as a journalist for lolesports? AKA can we expect more content from you on lolesports in a relatively near future, or are posts like this one gonna come up only once in a blue moon?

RiotSkarnye West1 votes

I've actually been writing here since February :)

You can see a list of all of my posts on lolesports here: http://gentlemangustaf.com/esports/lcs/lolesports-posts/

Lyriun3 votes

Can't wait to be flamed out of SoloQ when running this in mid :p But seriously thanks for writting an article about an awesome and underplayed champ. #Winteriscomming

Baffer2 votes

Dear G.Gustaf,

I really like your posts about champions.

I don't always have the time to play a lot and test out a lot of champions. Your posts really help me to get new insights on what champions can do in certain roles.

I just want to say thank you and keep up the good work!

Best regards

Angry Monster1 votes

This is not an E sports article. Why does riot get to break the rules?

Side note who really cares that a d1 is doing something unusual. They do it all the time. Why are you nto reporting on the support poppy d1/challenger players?

This really is not that innovative and i do not understand why you wrote this. All you have done is show sheep something they are going to fail at and then watch them say but RIOT SAID IT COULD BE DONE.

GG

ploki1222 votes

on the "Esports" thing, I do find it an awkward off case. Basically, the "Esports" subcategory seems to simply be a mirror of whatever's posted on lolesports. I think that blog posts like this have a place on lolesports, but I don'T believe that they have a place in "Esports" subboard.

As for the Poppy D1 players, he already answered that he would really like to dig into Poppy a bit more.

Angry Monster1 votes

This is not the only case of this abuse. With the last "movie" that riot did, a rioter took clips out of it and made a gag reel of sorts. Things that happen in game or something like that. Point is that they put the damn thing in Announcements on the beta board.

It was cute, cheeky and semi funny but it failed to announce anything about league. Riot should have higher standards for themselves than anyone else. That means posting things in the right section like everyone else has to .

GOD did he actually post about poppy? Man why did riot bother hiring this guy. NO ONE REALLY CARES. The reason i choose poppy was cause people do not care. What is the point of calling out edge cases of champ use? Saying a D1 player is doing something should have no baring on gold through bronze players(hell i might be willing to tack on Plat players on that). Diamond 1 players are a completely different skill level and game understanding.

I read the article. It even mentions how certain picks/bans are required for this to work well. Great so now you are basically saying you have to ban for only one champ. never mind the fact that the bans to make sej viable make it some the rest of your team is thrown under the bus.

ploki1223 votes

Well, I've seen people play Poppy in all brackets, and it's not 1 Diamond guy doing it anymore, it's many Diamond players playing Poppy. Right now, she's on the brink of leaving the Least15 (aka least played champions) for Diamond players (AKA the bracket that tries stuff out more than others). This leads me to think that there may be people disagreeing with you. Just today, I've seen 3 featured games with Poppy within a 2 hours timeframe (aka 3 back to back since I was spectating them) .

Otherwise, saying that what Diamond players do has no bearing on what others do is plainly close-minded and/or near-sighted. Do you seriously believe that what works in higher brackets has no ways of functionning in lower brackets? If there's a D1 guy winning most of his games on Urgot Mid, there may be a reason it's happening, and the chance of that reason being flat out outplays is lower than the same thing ahppening in S1 (since the higher you go, the harder it is to outplay).

If you read the article right, it mentionned that some champions are harder to handle on Sejuani mid. Gustaf chose to ban them to have an easier time during his learning process. I'm fairly confident he never said that those lanes are unwinnable, or that if you get counter-picked you're 100% doomed. In fact, I'm willing to bet that Mr. Oink (who's pretty much a reference in term of AP Sejuani) probably leaves those champions open and ban the "stronger" picks instead of his counters. Otherwise, having counters doesn't mean you have to ban them, it simply means that that champion is rougher to first pick. If you're in the first few picks, get a safe mid or trade for another, if you're in the last pick, evaluate the situation and pick a situational pick (aka AP Sejuani).

Angry Monster1 votes

yeah i have seen the poppies and laugh every time. They tend to fail not understanding what they are doing. Or they try to abuse something that other players actually understand and get shut down. Its a perfect example of lower MMRs doing something when they should not.

You are missing the point here. D1s have great game reads and game understanding that people in lower MMR just do not have. They are at the top for a reason. To say that the top .01% can do it, therefore i can also is a folly. If people were that good they would be in plat already. Or they would be coming up with this stuff on their own.

People that are trying to copy 1 trick wonders like this are being set up to fail. The artifical boost in MMR always get reset on them and they end up back where they were.

The real way to get ahead in this game is mechanics and game understanding. trying to follow a gimmick is a noob trap and leads only to failure.

ploki1222 votes

From my point of view (the point of view of s silver scrub who chose to ride a one-trick pony bandwagon AKA poppy), it's much easier to understand the game if you look at it from an universal point of view. In my case, that universal point of view is Poppy. Every play I make on Poppy will be slightly easier to perform the next time, and every misplay I make, I can easily learn from, since the next time I'll play, there's a high chance I'm on the same champion.

I remember Wickd once said the same about why he played Irelia so much. Basically, Irelia was his common denominator, and he learn every other champions' strengths and weaknesses based on Irelia. Then, when you have to counterpick someone, you know how the enemy pick and your pick would perform against Irelia, and extrapolate the result from there. Similarly, when you get countered, you know the power spikes of both your and their champions, since you're used to a regular experience (since you're used to Irelia). You can use those windows of opportunity for outplays.

At that point, the point becomes "should one trick ponies take OP champions taht will get nerfed or champions they enjoy no matter the strength". One thing that can be said about playing mostly one champion is that if you get burnt out of that champion, you take a drop (since you're less used to other champions). That means that if you wanna keepo on playing the same pony for an extended period of time, you should take one that won't get utterly destroyed by patches, and that you aren't playing only for their power AKA a champion you like instead of a champion that's FotM.

This is what GG's posts are (partly) about, finding new play patterns taht can be used as a common denominator for One Trick Ponies.


Also, yes there are terrible Poppy, but there are terrible Poppy at all brackets, especially D1. I think I'm seeing like 50% top lane poppy in Diamond, whereas that proportion drops to like 25% at most in lower brackets, and every single poppy player will tell you that top lane is her 3rd best role right now if not 4th after adc.

RiotSkarnye West2 votes

For some reason I can't reply to your next comment down, so I'm replying here.

As ploki122 mentioned, picking a specific champion actually can be greatly beneficial in learning the game. When you learn matchup knowledge, for example, there are simply too many variables: lane jungle matchups, item starts, mid lane matchups, and so on. Adding in your own power curve and you have yet another variable to learn. Shrinking that variable to one champion speeds the learning process, and this is something a large number of pro players did before becoming pro. Westrice was once an Akali main, and Quas, arguably one of the best 3 NA LCS top laners, was once a lowly top main of - you guessed it - Poppy.

The benefits to maining an offball champion are many. First, you're unlikely to get nerfed. The stability of the champion makes that matchup learning process even easier. Incidentally, this is why people got so worked up over reworks of niche champions. Second, you're likely to learn how to exploit people's weaknesses in knowledge, which is a skill you can nurture to be useful in other ways.

If your rubric is applicability to lower level players, then it's arguable that pretty much no posts on Lolesports matter. Most pro level strategies are only viable when executed at that level. For example, varying levels in average farm make some champions very strong at higher levels, because they reach their power spikes at a reasonable time. The Trinity Force BotRK build is a perfect example of that. It is quite strong in the LCS due to the ability of top laners to farm nearly perfectly. Champions like Kassadin and Vayne require a lot of team attention, and strategies like level 2 dragons require knowledge of juggling dragon aggro.

Me? I'm almost a one-trick pony myself. I'm at mid-D1 level of skill on 5 champions:

Top: Cho Jungle: Skarner, Hecarim, Nasus Support: Sona

The fact that I main jungle/support means I almost always get my role, which means I'm learning and improving every game. The fact that my 3 jungler champions are so similar means the skills port over easily, which, again, means I'm always improving. Most importantly, however, I picked those champions not because I thought they were the best, but because I love playing them. This ensures than I never will get bored of playing them, and can constantly get better and better at them. I'm currently in about the top 1500 players in NA, and I hope to keep improving and make Master's League when it comes out. If nothing else, I think those results speak for themselves, considering that I was Gold V just over a year ago.

US Senator1 votes

logged in to upvote - gentleman and a scholar

Avada Kedavera1 votes

When I heard breaking the meta, I thought this was about solwolf for a second lol

Dezno1 votes

where are the #shameless twitch plugs Kappa

S0G1N1 votes

wow nice sejuani mid that works. But i think shes better suited for jungle role and i think in my opinion she shines BRIGHTLY in seige comps. she has sooo much zoning.

undEAdbUs1 votes

Nice post, I've tried it on toplane and that was weird and amazing. Btw I've seen Faker trying Twitch in jungle - will there be post about that? =D

Light Ascending1 votes

I've been playing Sejuani mid since the week she came out once I saw the potential to beat up on the ranged, squishy mid-laners of the day and then roam around making plays like a second jungler.

Still doing it too. It's my favorite role/champ combo. I just started playing ranked after playing for over three years so I get a few "dafuq" but it's pretty fun regardless.

When I first heard about Mister Oink I was like, "I've been doing this forever and wrote one of the original guides... I wonder if he read my guide."

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