Immortals seem to be Immortal

Golestaneh·Feb 14, 2016·3 votes·1,742 views

Now to start off, I am pretty new to the league community, I joined mid-way through season 5, but really started playing around late season five. At that time, Worlds was going on, and I am probably the only person that put Cloud 9 at the top of their group. I don't know why but that was the team that I wanted to win, and when I found out that they were underdogs and they won their first games against teams like Fnatic, I was so happy. I started to watch highlights of past games or full games entirely including player montages, etc. this is how I found out about TSM’s adc WildTurtle (and TSM in general). When I found out that he was removed from the roster, I was really sad, but when I saw the his new team, Immortals, I was immediately ecstatic, he was on a team of great players like Huni, Reignover, and Pobelter, I knew that team was gonna do well (Adrian was kinda unknown to me at this time, but he is right now my second favorite player on the team behind WildTutle). So I went into the LCS season with an open mind, I would root for my favorite Cloud 9, but also watch the Immortals games, because I liked WildTurtle and the team seemed good. Eventually something came clear to me, Immortals was not gonna lose a game (if they did at this moment I might bring out the fireworks, or at least settle for a victory jig). Every time I started to watch an Immortals game, I had a sense of boredom or dread or some mix of the two. I knew they would win, there was no surprise, no real competition or close game, no excitement. That is the big one. THERE WAS NO EXCITEMENT. Watching this juggernaut of a team plow through the NA scene destroying everything in its path got stale and old and instead of a nail bitingly close game, I found myself watching a slaughter. What really made me write this is the most recent Immortals vs Cloud 9 game. Immortals got first blood and slowly but surely picked apart Cloud 9 till they won. There was no action. All I saw was my favorite team scrambling for the smallest bit of a victory they could find. They became disjointed, seemed to lose morale over and over as they were defeated. When WildTurtle went balls to the wall and jumped into a 4 vs 1 and survived by the skin of his teeth, I felt like Immortals was dangling a juicy bit of meet over starving animals. I started the stream mid-way through, so I rewound to the beginning where I was so excited to see Jhin being played by Sneaky, because it was the first time we had seen the new champ in pro play (or at least NA LCS cause I don’t pay attention to the others). That was the only bit of joy I found in watching this game and I ended up just skipping to the end to find that surprise, surprise, Immortals had won.

Now I turn to you, what do you guys think about all this? Do you completely disagree or do you find truth in my words. I want to know. Also how do you think Immortals will do in international play? And do you think they will be defeated in the NA LCS?

What are your thoughts?

Peace.

-SpamMuncher [slayer-jinx-catface]

P.S I know I may seem a bit hypocritical as Cloud 9 has the longest win streak in the NA LCS of 13 wins, but that was before I started even playing the game. Plus Immortals is reaching that number fast.

28 Comments

DestructoDaveFeb 15, 20162 votes

Well, they have to make it through play-offs first. They are doing really well, but they show weaknesses. They are coming out of some of these games by slight margins in these chaotic fights, tbh. Some of their games have been on a knife's edge. Hell, TSM had them minus a baron throw.

Really, the real test will be when bo5s happen in play-offs. Seemingly unbeatable regular season teams drop games in BOseries.

GolestanehFeb 15, 20161 votes

I agree. In best of fives, Immortals may not be able to win because they currently seem to have one play style. That is something that can be exploited during best of fives.

Wolfram OxfordFeb 19, 20161 votes

One play style when their whole team has a huge champion pool...I think that by the time the summer split comes around they will be ready to crush the teams they face in international play just with their shear flexibility and good decision making. The only thing I could see putting them down is a huge meta shift, kind of like what happened to TSM last season.

Angry MonsterFeb 15, 20162 votes

Learn to format, please. Their are at least 3 paragraphs of topics in that block. Usually one thought/ idea per paragraph, expanding that idea. New thoughts mean new paragraphs.

C9 got their recorded when their were only 8 team though. So the record is a tad more impressive than it seems. C9 won more games as rematches than the immortals will, when the number 13 hits. Strength of schedule also has to be looked at. It would not be as impressive for immortals if the next 3 games were against the bottom 3 of the league.

If you are going to compare immortals to anything you have to look to 2015 fanatic. Were they did their whole summer season flawless and only dropped a few in the regional finals.

Now if you want to talk about a recorded huni has not loss a game in regular league play in a very long time. though he has lost in tournaments (best of) formats. It is still quite a record if you think about his regional dominance.

GolestanehFeb 15, 20161 votes

I'm sorry this is my first post, but thanks for the pointers. Also I really had no idea about that thanks for telling me.[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

rtbf68910336Feb 17, 20161 votes

And you my friend need to learn proper grammar/spelling, puts you off when you're reading their and then the next part doesn't make sense.

Serika ZeroFeb 15, 20161 votes

IMT vs C9 was one of the best games out there And you just called it boring. If C9 were to win any team fights (which they could've have), like when Turtle got a 1v3 kill (since he was the only one left alive), before that C9 Adc could've flashed away from Lux laser and get an Ace for themselves and a bunch of gold.

Most team fights were close and if anyone in C9 were to outplay. They could've won. Ofc, they didn't but that's that. They had a chance, one of the best ones so far and failed. But it was still a great game, it was exciting because at any time, C9 could've win a team fight and hard win the game.

You're obviously biased since your favorite team lost. So, ofc it looks "boring" to see what you like lose. But this was anything but boring. Darn it, last year people in NA were cheering for players killing WARDS. Games had 20 minutes of farm fest and then maybe something interesting happened. That was boredom, when you get "excited" a pink ward was destroyed........ since there's nothing better on the entire map to 'watch'.

GolestanehFeb 15, 20161 votes

I may be biased towards my favorite team, but at the same time I may have not worded my posy properly. I was talking about after the team fight where turtle went 1v3 and won. After that the game went downhill and their seemed to be no hope of winning. The early game was great with C9 able to keep toe to toe with Immortals. Also thankyou for sharing this with me. I kinda posted to see other nonbiased views.

GolestanehFeb 15, 20161 votes

oh and they still cheer when pink wards are destroyed

Serika ZeroFeb 15, 20161 votes

ye, but not that often anymore ;) since "interesting" stuff happens over the map, its not just farm for 20 minutes

YCitizenSnipsYFeb 15, 20161 votes

Well Immortals looks good right now because NA is very weak. There are things that NA simply doesn't have that other regions do.

For example look at that Cloud9 game a little bit closer and realize that while yes they are very even in kills they are down significantly in gold. NA teams don't have a grasp of Macro play, or how to play the map to get objectives. Immortals are punishing this that's how they got the lead on C9 they did in what appeared to be an even game. Also NA for the most part doesn't have strong individual lanes which is allowing Immortals to have their way with most NA teams.

Personally International play is going to be a big wake up call for them if they get comfortable beating NA teams. Other regions have teams that are capable of laming very well against IMT while also have a better macro game. I mean surprises have happened in the past from NA teams like TSM winning the Intel tournament. But I don't know if the same will happen for IMT, I don't think they will get taken so lightly in international competition.

GolestanehFeb 15, 20161 votes

I honestly hope that they lose in international play. It would be nice to see it and I think it would be better for Immortals to lose a game. Lose some possible ego that they built up and learn from their mistakes.

Kal Vas FlamFeb 15, 20161 votes

C9 was behind in gold all game and yet was winning team fights still until Wildturtle got lucky with a dead Lux binding and got his triple kill. It fell apart after that. What's important to note from this game is two things:

The rest of the NA needs to work on their macro play, like, a lot.
Immortals aren't the mechanical gods they've be portrayed as and can be beaten in straight fights. Their macro play is what's winning them games right now.

GolestanehFeb 15, 20161 votes

I agree with both your points, but Immortals are kinda of like a well played Leona or Cass, they will move on your every mistake. They simply wait for one player to make a mistake and then capitalize on it to get an early lead.

xJLx MCHammerFeb 15, 20161 votes

C9 being my favorite team, I can say that I saw the loss coming. C9 is not the best team in best of one rounds. They excel in best 5 because they change things up drastically

Are immortals unbeatable? Hell no! They are good because pobeltor can hold his own while Wild Turtle and Huni do well. In a meta where ADC are so vital, this works. Wait till you see when top lane stabilizes and their glaring problem starts to show

Through, it definitely seems like they will land first spot. I think only TSM and C9 can take wins from them, c9 alrdy lost so it's only TSM left

GolestanehFeb 15, 20161 votes

First off, GO C9!! I went into that match thinking that C9 would not win as well, I was just hoping that they would put up a good fight, which they did until Turtle was the last man standing in that team fight.

I honestly think that Huni did not matter in that game. Yes he was playing an adc and yes he is a great player, but he was jumping in a lot and ended up getting bursted down instantly. Also what do you mean by top lane stabilizing?

And finally, I don't think TSM will beat Immortals. With their completely new roster except for Bjergsen, they have not worked well enough together to have a chance against Immortals.

GolestanehFeb 15, 20161 votes

TSM actually may have a chance with their previous game against Immortals being pretty good. I don't remember if BunnyFuFuu was playing in the place of Hai during the C9 vs TSM game, because in that game TSM won pretty easily. If it was Bunny then I think C9 has an excuse, because Bunny is still learning to become a shot caller, while Hai is already a great one.

VarilightFeb 15, 20161 votes

Hai was in against TSM. It was mostly the fact that C9 accrued a significant gold lead with no fights. TSM won a couple fights within a minute and ended due to how easily turrets fall in succession. TSM did not win easily. They were losing for 80% of the game.

B00B00Feb 15, 20161 votes

i honestly think they have not had much competition thus far in the grand scheme of things so i do question there ability to fight a team that understands there macro and micro.

on top of that they've come close to losing 2, 3 times now? they haven't granted but close i think against a more organised, oiled team they will fall, maybe even later this split or early next split when teams should of gelled together, while teams progress i think IMT will stand still in comparison

GolestanehFeb 15, 20161 votes

I don't think that they will lose to an NA team, but a good team from any other region has a chance

B00B00Feb 15, 20161 votes

They will if not by the end of spring in mid summer at the latest they will lose to an NA team.

H2k, UOL, G2 will give there macro and micro a run for their money I'm not sure if they would beat them or both though but I think atleast H2k would come close.

As for the other regions I honestly don't watch them too much but Rox looks extremely strong right now.

Thing is we've seen this before from a "super team" thy bring everyone around them up and raise play and skill levels by as they do not have that competition themselves when they do finally lose 2/3 in a row they play more reserved and open themselves up.

I hope I'm wrong I hope they go undefeated right into worlds after winning MSI and get to the finals and finally win for the west but I honestly see them crumbling way before that.

H2K/UOL right now are VERY good at finding and opening and playing around the map, the only difference is in EU we have 3 very close teams and come when they meet in an international stage, same with Rox etc they will have more experience jan immortals, that being said if turtle and huni can be unleashed on an international level that would be hilliously fun to witness.

huni I honestly believe will be a force at the next international event as he has his worlds experience now and I fully believe he feels he has something to prove and I hope he annihilates his competition

VarilightFeb 15, 20161 votes

I don't think any EU teams stand a chance against IMT tbh. H2K and G2 might be able to beat out the rest of the NA teams (with C9 being a wild card due to whether or not they show up to play) but not IMT.

Ale non è maleFeb 15, 20161 votes

Tbh until we see how IMT respond in a game against a team that play consistently well for the entirety of the game, which NA teams has failed to do so far against them(sooner or later in the game the enemy team threw or were never ahead), it is impossible to rank them against the best teams of the other regions They are pretty good, that's for sure...but they are a question mark when projected against international play right now

B00B00Feb 16, 20161 votes

and whats your basis as to why not? IMT are pretty unorganised and win on a knifes edge half the time in team fights, where they could of closed sooner and cleaner.

they have very little strategy except from aggression and against teams that know how to deal with this it won't be so successful, this is the first time NA have had a dominant team in years, when TSM ''dominated'' the rest of the teams literally sucked, I'm more exited for C9 than IMT in the long run, they are going for the long con.

IntakiNineFeb 15, 20161 votes

The problem with IMT is that they have no tactics or strategy beyond unrestrained aggression. Much like Fnatic, this will work great against teams that try to play more safely like most do in LCS, but like Fnatic they will get utterly dismantled by Koreans with better game sense and discipline who can punish over aggression mercilessly.

Ale non è maleFeb 15, 20161 votes

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The problem with IMT is that they have no tactics or strategy beyond unrestrained aggression. Much like Fnatic, this will work great against teams that try to play more safely like most do in LCS, but like Fnatic they will get utterly dismantled by Koreans with better game sense and discipline who can punish over aggression mercilessly.

Fnatic got destroyed in Worlds semi because Huni tilted to maximum estent (and tbh at Worlds he tilted also in a pair of the loss in group stage, espeically in C9 one which wasn't due to a C9 superiority from a strategic point of view), not because they had limited tactics Throughout the entire S5 fnatic won games with multiple tactics, both coming back from behind and getting early jump starts, both with strong aggression upon the back of their laners and winning upon better map strategy and rotations

IMT is not good or bad playing from behind, is just unproven because we haven't seen yet a team in NA put together a good performance throughout the entire game - and this wasn't due to IMT strength alone, both TSM and CLg pretty much threw all by theirselves at a certain point of the game -

IMT's question mark when they'll show up in international play is how they'll respond against teams that perform consistently well throughout a gasme and throughout a series, as they don't have training in that aspect because of Na competition For how much S5 Fnatic is now downplayed in retrospect, the truth is that they had a grand total of 1(ONE) series when they got completely lost in the entire season, given that even at MSi gave a run for the money to SKT, that wasn't at their world level back then, but at the time was still top 2-3 at Worst in the world; unfortunately it just happened to be in the biggest stage and in a series when there were a lot of expectations on them because Tigers didn't seem so strong coming into the knockout stage (ant they proved people wrong)

TenshouSNKFeb 15, 20161 votes

IMT is is made up of Korean players.

I have yet to see NA born players to actually play good. I mean real NA players, not foreign immigrants.

LintheFeb 17, 20161 votes

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IMT is is made up of Korean players.

I have yet to see NA born players to actually play good. I mean real NA players, not foreign immigrants.

Pobelter is from the US Adrian is from US Turtle is from Canda

The 2 guys who never lose in the regular season are the ones from S. Korea.