Start of the Season: 10 Bans on Pro-Play

Riot·1/5/2017, 7:04:45 PM·2 votes·18,539 views

A while ago we talked about how we were considering changing to a 10 ban system. We’ve now got an approach we’re happy with that we’ll be using for professional and semi-professional leagues at the start of the 2017 season. I’d like to share our thinking behind that system - what its goals are, how it will work, and why we’re changing bans in Pro-Play before anywhere else.

Why more bans?

In pro play we think pick/ban changes can lead to an increase in champion diversity and strategic play. We believe that offering more bans will encourage deeper champion pools with more individual champions seeing the Rift - and that it’ll make a fun and engaging draft phase for fans to watch. The plan here is to give each team two additional bans partway through the draft; this midpoint ban should encourage adaptability and reward teams who can accurately predict what strategies their opponents are planning then move swiftly to counter them.

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Organized Play vs Matchmaking considerations

We think improvements to the pick/ban system can offer multiple benefits. Those will be somewhat different in pro play or other organized play, than in regular games though. In organized play you’re playing with a consistent group, you know who your opponents are and what they play, and you may even have played against them before. In matchmade games by contrast you’re adapting to a new group and don’t have any initial information about the team you’ll be facing. The needs and benefits of each context’s somewhat different as a result.

Organized play pick/ban - what does it look like?

The first part of champ select will be the same as at present, with both sides banning 3 champs then some picks. Blue picks first, red picks twice, blue picks twice and then red picks once again. After that there’s a second ban phase, where the two sides alternate bans back and forth, starting with red side. There’s then a final pick phase, where red picks once, blue picks twice and red picks one final time.

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What about regular matchmade games that use bans?

Revised pick/ban for regular play will come somewhat later than the changes in organized play. We’re still assessing what style of pick/ban changes makes the most sense for regular games, given the different circumstances (unfamiliar allies, lack of information about your opposition).

Shifting to 10 bans still has a lot of appeal, in particular because it allows one ban per player giving each person equal agency in the ban phase. Goals of bans are somewhat different though (e.g. you’re not banning the unusual pick you know the enemy team likes to run).

The amount of time it takes to get into a game’s also a particularly big concern for regular games, given we’re already getting a lot of feedback that time from pressing ‘Play’ to actually starting the game feels too long. Some of the options we’re looking at include reduced time in champ select as a focus as a result.   

We should be able to talk more about our thoughts on pick/ban changes in regular play early 2017. In the meantime if you’ve got any thoughts on pick/ban, whether in pro or regular play, please do let us know!

 

11 Comments

Womp1231/5/2017, 7:45:01 PM7 votes

If you do add one ban per person, could you also do that for Twisted Treeline? It would make more sense, since there are 3 bans and 3 people per team anyways.

SciFi Scrivener1/5/2017, 7:48:02 PM2 votes

Excited to see how this plays out. Hope it makes its way to match play soon. I like the idea of each player getting a ban.

The Zor1/17/2017, 10:53:43 PM2 votes

You could make the non-pro games pick and ban phase more like organized play by letting us see who we are playing against. Instead of seeing "Summoner 1-5" let us see the names, so we can focus our bans. It would especially help against "One Trick" players and force them to have a more diverse champion pool.

TheIrishSniper1/6/2017, 2:57:17 AM1 votes

10 bans is good. Not just for pro players but for everyone. There are not enough bans right now to ban things that you don't want to play against, you have to ban things you CAN'T play against. Pro games already feel somewhat like a different game (always played on a previous patch, usually one that excludes MAJOR new changes), and if you change champ select as well it will feel like a completely different game altogether. I think a lot of people that play ranked secretly dream of someday getting good enough to go pro, and if their ranked play is not actually what pro games look like, that dream will just not be there.

NeoSennit1/6/2017, 3:36:44 AM1 votes

Nice! This sounds really exciting. Hopefully it works the way its intended, I'm looking forward to seeing it in action.

Dik Starrbuck1/6/2017, 8:08:47 AM1 votes

FINALLY! I've been screaming this for years

Drepulizer1/6/2017, 8:41:19 PM1 votes

Yes, but when is season 7 coming.

ElysMustache1/6/2017, 9:03:29 PM1 votes

Why didn't you just pin the previous post on the exact same subject instead of making a new one?

Legese1/13/2017, 4:24:31 PM1 votes

I think it would make more sense and not increase the time til the game starts if the 2/4 extra bans were done blind before champ select starts. In pro play you know your opponents so you know their strengths so it should be easy to exclude their dominant champs, in regular play you can get rid of a champ or two that you just don't handle well. then still have the normal bans to build a comp around/against

Stale Buns1/5/2017, 9:10:08 PM1 votes

RIP Yasuo mains. Your chances of playing him in ranked ever again is soon to be nothing but a memory...