Everything You Need to Know About IEM San Jose 2015

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@TrollFan01 : It was in the Loser bracket, and they faced Epik, a NA team too, so it doesn't make sense. So NA has nothing to be proud of for every single World Championship. And I think you missunderstood me. Season 1 was a particular context, as there was only NA and EU teams (and two minor teams, including one that still won a game against TSM). No korean and no chinese teams, only 6 teams in the Bracket. And even in this context, NA still didn't make it to the Finals. So, Season 1 apart, two EU teams made it to the Semifinals, except in 2014. And no NA team ever did that. Am I right ?

Doesn't make sense but still counts. Pretty much sums up Season 1 in a nutshell huh?

LOL! What are you talking about? NA did GREAT in Season 1 and 4. TSM beat the 2 best teams in the world last year and were the pride and joy of NA along with Cloud9. Season 3 and 5 were the only times NA weren't proud. Season 2 we got cheated by Woong looking at the map and it caused all kinds of controversy and it cost him and is team $30,000.

If you keep moving the goalpost anything will fit what you want it to. You keep doing that and ignoring things. You said since Season 1 was EU vs EU that NA had nothing to be proud of and then don't even mention what I said about that logic meaning EU has nothing to be proud of since it was Korea vs Korea this year. You completely disregard Season one groups since NA topped them and then bring of Team Xan and that one -off win it had against TSM but fail to bring up that TSM still topped the group. You sing the praise of EU but never bring up their failures. You skip over Season 4 like it's nothing because NA did great and EU sucked. You say NA has nothing to be proud of when you're given proof they do from Season 1 and Season 4 showings. You only bring up level of competition (Team Xan) when it goes against NA but not EU. The Flash Wolves were one of the teams any team would have beaten this year in Quarters. Kabum E sports were a thing. ALL will tell you.

You're speaking nonsense and you move the goalpost whenever a fact s given to you that goes against what you want. You're never going to acknowledge that NA has done well at worlds even worth the proof of Season 1 and Season 4 staring back at you. There's no point further talking to you. You're just going to shit on NA and sing EU's praises. You'ere just going to explain away all the good NA has done at worlds even if it makes EU look bad and sing the praises of EU even if it makes NA look good. There's no point in continuing this as I've made my points and you keep moving the goalpost. You'll probably insult me or say something else but I don't care. I'm speaking to a brick wall who won't budge even when given facts. Go ahead and insult me all you want. I don't care care. It won't mean anything.

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(Can't reply to the good comment) I just don't understand why you think I will insult you. Yes, I disagree with you, but I will never insult you, as I never did. Doesn't make sense.

I'm talking about your logic, saying EU has nothing to be proud of for the past 2 years. Then, considering EU performance these years, I conclude NA has nothing to be proud of at all. I don't understand why you say NA did great in season 1. Yes, they had strong performance in the groups (that's only 3 games), but then, their only achievement is like beating the Wildcards teams, one EU team and fighting each other for the third place and in the Loser Bracket. Forgive me, but that's not something really glorious. Season 4 is, for sure, the best NA showing, but I only account TSM exceptional showing, because, as you said, they took one game off the best 2 teams. Cloud 9 achievements (beating SSB) was also achieved by Fnatic, though they had no credit for that. In Season 2, only TSM got cheated. The other teams just failed. And Riot said in their statement they would not change the output of the match because AZF was still more dominant than TSM.

You also keep ignoring things. Season 1 was NOT a good showing for NA. Am I ignoring EU failures ? I mentioned the 2014 throw in my previous post. Yes, Fnatic was eliminated because of 10 Nexus HP. Yes, Alliance completely fucked up, and I'm glad they paid the high price for being so disrespectful towards KaBum. Yes, I admit the failures. But you don't. You talk about KaBum. Interesting. Let's talk about paiN, then. The brazilian team TIED with CLG, NA #1 Seed. Let's talk about NA 0-10. Let's talk about season 2 and 3 where no NA team made it out of groups. Let's talk about the remaining team still being defeated.

Flash Wolves defeated KOO twice. It's not worth nothing. But yet, I agree, it was the easiest opponent. But you just skip EDG 3-0 like it was nothing.

You know, I'm just tired of EU bashing. Because NA fans keep on trashtalking EU like they are the best region, whereas it's not. Dude, how can anyone can mock EU 0-6 defeats in the Semifinals whereas no NA team got ouf of groups with a 0-10 performance ? I'm tired of the shoutcasters mocking their performance with a prayer whereas nothing similar has been done for the NA throw. I'm tired of NA taking the littlest fact and turn it against EU whereas they keep on sweeping out their fails and mistakes. I'm tired to see "EU is trash" whereas TSM is more a danish team than an american one. I'm tired to read "EU only works with KR imports" whereas almost all NA teams have koreans in their ranks (and in a few rosters, NA players are in the minority). Let me be clear. I am not saying you said this. But I'm just sad that NA fans minimize their throws (nobody talks about the fact that CLG is TIED with paiN) and focus on every single EU mistake. Dude, how can you say it's a throw not making it to the Finals ?

Yeah, I shit on NA just as you shit on EU. Because you don't recognize NA throws as well. You can call me a brick wall if you want, but you're doing just like me

Finally, as I said, I won't insult you and I don't know why you think I could do such a thing. Even tho we have complete opposite opinions, I still respect you.

It appears that we were having a mutual misunderstanding and were both coming from the same place. Being sick and tied of NA?EU fans just shitting on our region. I guess we're so used to the other side doing that we were coming from the position of the other meaning worse than they did. Luckily no actual name calling or rudeness came from this misunderstanding.

It's refreshing talking to an open-minded person. Looking back on your comments with this information I see where you're coming from. Sorry for my part. Now if you'll excuse me I need to watch IEM San Jose. Group D reunion! :D