10 thoughts going into Groups: "TL can beat KZ if Steve buys the Infinity Gauntlet."
The Mid-Season Invitational is the first chance for all of us to see just how much better Korea still is after spending the whole lead-in to the tournament thinking, “Maybe this is the year.” To which I say, maybe this is the year. For all their dominance, the KZ roster doesn’t actually have many major international wins under their belt. Here’s 10 thoughts going into the MSI Group Stage:
KING-ZONE DragonX will drop two games at mostRemember in Gym class when the teacher told you to make your own teams and then all the jocks got together and crushed everyone? That’s KZ. Also they’re class valedictorian. Also it seems like they’ll never graduate. KZ features a Top 3 player (in the world) at every single position. I don’t think you could even form another five-man squad [of Top 3 players] even if you combined every single other team at this tournament. Because they’ve never won an international tournament, though, it’s a different aura of invincibility than SKT -- and ultimately, I might be overestimating their ability to dominate here. Like, truly, maybe this is the year for the rest of the world? Or…. nah. Warriors in 5.
RNG second… no more?First off, congratulations are in order for Uzi who finally won his first event. It’s still mind-boggling to me that he had that much success but could never win anything -- either domestically or internationally. RNG faced off against a very similar Fnatic roster at Worlds last year in a pretty even set. I’m interested to see the two clash again -- I think Fnatic is very clearly better than they were at Worlds, but RNG hasn’t really missed many beats (at least when Uzi is in the lineup) either. Second place will probably go to one of those teams, but after playing so much Hearthstone, it’s hard for me to bet against RNG. Especially seeing as Uzi is the best player in this tournament and has mostly been knocked out by Faker on the international stage.
Caps needs to be Fnatic’s MVPCaps has matured into a frightening force in the mid lane for Fnatic. There are a lot of reasons for their captain and star Rekkles’ MVP campaign this split, but I think Caps’ performance may be the most important factor. And it helps that the mid lane talent at MSI this year is relatively shallow. Which is mainly to say Faker isn’t here (and there hasn’t been a consensus #2 mid laner in years). But MSI mainstays Bjergsen and Perkz aren’t here either. This is a great chance for Caps to secure his claim to being the best mid laner in Europe -- between BDD, Maple, and Xiaohu, that’s a lot of guys who have been great-but-still-not-Faker for a while now. Can Caps lock in and best them all?
Team Liquid makes Top 4Or more specifically, they finish 4th. As is tradition. This has long been the hidden power of this meme -- get to an international tournament and you’re guaranteed a semifinal appearance. Or you would think, but who among us can actually predict how an NA meme will translate to the international stage? This team smashed through the NA LCS Playoffs, but the key factor in their success all split was the prowess of their bot lane. However, MSI features some of the most potent bot lanes in the world. And it’s not like Doublelift has a strong international track record (or anyone on this team outside of Impact). It’s not a roster you look at and say about anyone, “This person is definitely Top 5 in the World at their position.” But they also didn’t even place anyone into the NA LCS All-Pro rosters and still won the split. It’s clearly not about any single player for this team. So this is a super exciting moment for TL and their fans. Finally, after years of heartbreak, this organization will leave its first mark on the international stage.
Flash Wolves redemption tour?Months ago, the Flash Wolves thought, "Wait a second, could it be?" And now they know for sure. They just added two more guys to their wolf pack. If you watched them lay the beatdown on Gambit, then you might be thinking, “Oh right, this team is good.” They’ve won five straight LMS titles and are always a team that people say, “Oh yeah, they’re doing really well in scrims.” For whatever reason, though, their descent on the actual international stage has continued in recent tournaments. SwordArT and Maple are still world calibre players but the rest are unproven. Not any less unproven than say, TL, though. I think they’ll definitely be in contention to make it to Paris -- doing so will be a huge morale boost for the region.
EVOS continues the GAM legacyHow long before we see “YiJin to TSM when?” comments? YiJin is the latest in a line of internationally heralded Vietnamese junglers after SofM and Levi. A brilliant display in the Play-in Knockout Stage has turned quite a few heads already, and he’ll now have a chance to show his skills to an even larger audience. I think it’s still not widely known that Vietnam is on par with Korea and Europe when it comes to the size of their player base. There’s a ton of talent to pull from. And it can take just one generational talent (like SofM) to elevate a region’s play -- they can learn and adapt from each other in solo queue and scrims. Vietnam is a scary region because they’re growing and eager to prove themselves. Whether that’s enough to make up for the vast disadvantages they still face when it comes to infrastructure will be the question for them at MSI. I think probably not, but much like their predecessors, their aggression should catch at least a few teams off-guard.
Rekkles vs. DoubleliftBecause all of the Western talk will revolve around this matchup anyway, we’ve decided to just have them slug it out in a boxing ring via League-boxing. Much like chessboxing, where you can either checkmate or KO, League-boxing will have all the rules of the 1:1 (first blood, 100 CS, or turret) alongside a boxing match. It’s a great chance to redefine our understanding of “first blood.”
I think it’s important to remember that this is a team game and these two players have different playstyles. It’s not like they’ll actually box each other for the win. Anyway, that’s the boring PR take. In actuality, this is a hype-as-hell matchup that we don’t get to see enough! Both are poster childs for their respective regions and whoever wins is going to be heralded as the best in the west. I want to see Kai’Sa and Vayne and Xayah! Give me some duels. No rush 20. No ganks. No supports. Final destination. No items. Winner is crowned Mew2King.
Here’s what each region has to do to beat KZEU: Caps grows from Baby Faker into Faker LMS: Channel their inner Korea-slayer LPL: Feed the puppy NA: Have Steve buy the Infinity Gauntlet VN: Advanced jungle warfare
My pre-tournament MVP is… Top lane is probably the shallowest position at this tournament -- it’s a whole bunch of rookies and young players (especially if we don’t see sOAZ at all) tasked with taking on someone who could even challenge Faker for being the best player in the world at the moment. Anything short of absolute domination would be a let down for Khan.
Anything is possibleIf Kanye can whoop-di-scoop-di-poop, then we’ve all been granted by the greater powers of the universe to achieve anything we set our minds to. I think there’s always a little bit of apathy for international play because we see Korea’s victory as being inevitable. We see the same thing with the Warriors in the NBA right now. Some dynasties seem like they’ll absolutely last forever, but that’s exactly why they’re remembered as dynasties. We often take greatness for granted. But you know what? We end up nostalgic for Michael Jordan. Or Ali. Or Tiger. Hell, I even miss Faker right now and it’s only been half a year. But the longer the drought, the sweeter victory will feel. Just ask Liquid fans -- for some five or six years they toiled in mediocrity. Or Uzi and his Silver medals. Even KZ’s PraY has been eliminated from Worlds four straight times by the eventual champion. But here they are. Whoever lifts the MSI trophy this time around will feature at least four players on their team who’ve never won a major international event before. That’s cool as hell. And yeah, KZ looks really strong. They might be one of the greatest teams ever assembled. But they don’t have the same track record that Faker accumulated. For every other team at this tournament -- none of them are tasked with slaying god this time around. I’d take those odds. And I’m sure they will too. Let’s goooooo!
Special annoucnement for lol fans. Coming in summer 2021: TL world champions... cuz you know, they gotta try 4 times to get it right. Our sincere apologies to people hoping for a skin collection of 5 different champions for this team; they instead chose to do 4 jhin skins - with the 5th skin instead being 4 chroma's for each of the other jhin world's skins. Thanks four tuning in.
I saw on stream a guy with a shirt that said "MEAN MISTER KIEN" on the back, and I was like, "Omg! That's the guy who writes the lolesports articles!" True story.
Faker is not even participating and yet every other thought focuses on him, great way to put the spotlight in the wrong direction. Also, the author seems to be underestimating BDD a whole lot. [sg-ahri-3]
Author goes out of the way to say every player on the team is a top 3 player in the world for their respective roles so I don't see how that's underestimating him in the slightest.
It's because kz has shown dominance for a split. When they can show it for a season, win worlds, and return to Korea still dominant next season, then they've begun to show the same greatness as Faker. It's hard to be the best for a time, but harder still to MAINTAIN being the best - and that's the current difference between faker and kz. BDD is great - especially when he can play tankier champs like swain, get a lead, and then just run around everywhere enabling his team. But he hasn't been around as long. It's like looking at a rookie vs a veteran who are both at the top of their role. One is great and has potential to surpass the other, but most coaches would bet towards the veteran in a clutch moment. Of course league is a team-reliant game, so this impacts things as far as what someone is allowed to do 1v1. Sometimes it means you get to play more agro and look amazing, other times it means you are 1v3 trying to waveclear to protect your tower w/o dying or... sacrificing your life to stop the enemy from basing so your team can make a play elsewhere. We've seen a number of these players look great one split or regular season and then lose at worlds or in playoffs (hello koo/rox tigers for example). That's why one amazing split just means... one amazing split with the POTENTIAL for more.
Exactly!
I think KZD are great and has a 6th sense of controlling game time but F-ME people think I'm s$itposting Korea or KZD or something cause I personally said "KZD aren't as good as people make them out to be"
Will KZD be a top tier team for splits to come..........Honestly I have no clue considering not only do they change their name constantly they also seem to change players on the rag as well! KZD won what 2 and Rox 1 or so splits with a total of 3? and not knocking them for having great splits but they were in the Finals for all of them to start out facing off against teams constantly that had to fight 3 rounds before.
SKT and KSV are most likely going to rebound from their mediocre split Afreeca will try to make a statement next split and, KT well.....KT is KT
Its a common league trope. Playing like faker is synonymous with playing really well. Theres lots of times when a streamer or a pro player makes a really good play and they yell omg im actually faker.
I actually think that this will be the first tournament that Korea doesn't do as well as people may think.
- RNG 2. FNC 3. KZD 4. TL 5. EVOS 6. FW
Haha, what a joke.
You never know though. And FNC look much better than last year... Maybe an EU trophy this year ;)
I think FNC are going into this tournament as a powerhouse team, with also RNG.
KZD they're a team full of superstars and while we have seen(ROX 2/3.0) beat the top teams in the LCK and make decent showings at International events part of the members fall short more times than not.
FW- I have no idea which FW will show up, the "Korea Kills" or the team that got destroyed at Worlds?
TL- I want to say TL #1 with like a 7-8 win record out of 10 games but it's NA! However, it's not TSM, so anything is possible.
Evos- Is a team that I hope makes some noise is it's basically Gigabyte Marines 2.0
I stand by with my thoughts on KZD. I think they're not as good as people make them out to be. Now, will they win MSI? Probably.
They are that good though... I have watched nearly every match in the LCK this split. At their best, they are insanely scary. Although, I do agree, as a team they could choke a little on the international stage, the chance of that happening is quite low. I think teams really gotta come up with some off meta strategies/picks and completely surprise them. Still... Go FNC!!
We'll see.
6-4 and they aren't this "juggernaut team" as people made them out to be. People are making out like I don't like KZD or respect them; I DO! but when a team has 5 #1-3 top players at every position a lot of things can end of going against them and it's more on pride and selfish play from KZD themselves.
KZD are the equivalent to say CLG but 20X better. Remember CLG on the International stage? They would beat or look really good against teams and regions like LCK/LPL etc but lose or look like s$it against regions that 19/20 people have never heard of before.
Yeah 2016 CLG were a very good team. Probably the best NA team to perform internationally.
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I think FNC are going into this tournament as a powerhouse team, with also RNG.
KZD they're a team full of superstars and while we have seen(ROX 2/3.0) beat the top teams in the LCK and make decent showings at International events part of the members fall short more times than not.
FW- I have no idea which FW will show up, the "Korea Kills" or the team that got destroyed at Worlds?
TL- I want to say TL #1 with like a 7-8 win record out of 10 games but it's NA! However, it's not TSM, so anything is possible.
Evos- Is a team that I hope makes some noise is it's basically Gigabyte Marines 2.0
I stand by with my thoughts on KZD. I think they're not as good as people make them out to be. Now, will they win MSI? Probably.
KZD wins the MSI.
Wins the LCK Summer split.
Then goes to win the LCK Autumn aka World Championship and this guy will still say nah, KZD isn't that good.
What a joke.
I'll give all the credit to KZD if they win even the Summer Split or Worlds etc but don't make it seem like you know what I'll say, bud. KZD isn't as good as people made them out to be for MSI!!!!!! MSI isn't LCK or Worlds!!!!!! Think before you type!
RNG won MSI not KZD KZD didn't win LCK Summer Split KZD aren't even apart of Worlds 2018.
Joke is all you, bud!
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RNG won MSI not KZD KZD didn't win LCK Summer Split KZD aren't even apart of Worlds 2018.
Joke is all you, bud!
Way to reply 5 months later, chump.
The joke is on you.
Results are results and facts are facts. Couldn't reply because I was at basic.
- I also want to apologize! Sorry.
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I think FNC are going into this tournament as a powerhouse team, with also RNG.
KZD they're a team full of superstars and while we have seen(ROX 2/3.0) beat the top teams in the LCK and make decent showings at International events part of the members fall short more times than not.
FW- I have no idea which FW will show up, the "Korea Kills" or the team that got destroyed at Worlds?
TL- I want to say TL #1 with like a 7-8 win record out of 10 games but it's NA! However, it's not TSM, so anything is possible.
Evos- Is a team that I hope makes some noise is it's basically Gigabyte Marines 2.0
I stand by with my thoughts on KZD. I think they're not as good as people make them out to be. Now, will they win MSI? Probably.
Yeah, because RNG has done anything to show for come the World stages, LMAO.
Tired of this script about Uzi being better than PraY because he thrives when his team plays around him, serious?
Hell, look at PraY and you tell me how he played against Uzi when KDZ played around him.
ROX and KDZ chose to play around Top lane because they have carry top laners in Smeb and Khan unlike other teams minus SKT with MaRin back in 2015.
Even Bang was a badass when SKT played around Bang after MaRin left in the past two seasons.
Tencent is ruining the League with their tiresome script of making a Chinese superstar who in reality shits the bed every time when the shit gets real.
Look at RNG's lineup and you tell me who can carry their team other than Uzi, that would be no one.
That's why they play around Uzi because he's their only chance and that doesn't make him the best ADC in the world, where's the logic in that.
Every player on KDZ's roster is considered a top 3 player in their respective roles in LCK including their substitute Jungler Cuzz.
2018 KDZ is better than 2016 ROX in that they have night and day better Mid laner in BDD and if you think a team that's improved from runner-up to 2016 World Champion SKT is "not as good as people make them out to be," then you tell me which team is better than KDZ in 2018.
RNG need another name change to RTG, Royal Time to Give up.
I honestly have no fucking clue what you're on about, friend-o!
I said nothing about Pray being worse than Uzi or anything about RNG being better than KZD.
All I said was RNG is coming into MSI as a "Powerhouse team" I also stated " I stand by with my thoughts on KZD. I think they're not as good as people make them out to be. Now, will they win MSI? Probably".
6-4 record isn't some Juggernaut final boss!
8-3 is!
Now, is RNG better than KZD? Most likely not but as I stated " KZD isn't as good as people make them out to be" people had KZD #1 with like a 10-0 record. People picked Koo to win Worlds 2 years in a row/be in it 2 years in a row at least. People picked Rox/Koo to go perfect in groups 2016.
Will KZD win MSI? Also again, "Probably"
KingZone Dragon X are good but they are not THAT good, just yet hopefully!
Yep
Well day 1 seems to be disagreeing with you, but ya never know. I kind of hope for KZ/FN/RNG/FW/Evos/TL just 'cause I hate liquid as an org... but I think we're more likely to see KZ/FW/FNC/RNG/TL/Evos with FNC/RNG having roughly tied records heading out of groups
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I actually think that this will be the first tournament that Korea doesn't do as well as people may think.
- RNG 2. FNC 3. KZD 4. TL 5. EVOS 6. FW
EL. FUCKING OH. EL.
Was that a melee joke?[slayer-pantheon-rainbows]
Loved the article! Great way to get hyped!
- Bdd is arguably just as good as Faker at this point
- Come on. TL doesn't need the fucking Infinity stones to beat KZ. You say 'advanced jungle warfare" for EVOS but TL needs the fking infinity stones?
It's jokes. Based off meme's about each team, their coaches, or their players. TL meme is - paid by steve. Thus, tl would buy their way to victory - as a joke. Evos has their jg as their all-star player - thus... jungle warfare.
Don't take that seriously lol. There were some other puns/memes in here too, but more subtle than those.
Actually, I believe the Evos reference is a Vietnam war prod. What made that war so difficult was how good Vietnam was at navigating and fighting in their jungles... so VN needs great 'jungle warfare' to win...
It may well be a double entendre though.
KZ Wont make it to top 4. lol
Had to login to comment on this. It's not only rookies and young players in the top lane against Khan. Impact is a world champ and should hopefully be able to dominate most of the matches (outside of Khan). It's not insane to see him becoming a big part of any success they have at MSI.
PS. Ban Khan's Jayce. That should have been in there.
I think Pray has been eliminated by the eventual champions every time he's been to the world championships, which is 5, but never 4 times in a row.
What kind of weak, lame thought/prediction is this? KZ will not lose a single game the entire MSI tournament. At most two games, please give me a break with a weak scared prediction.