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Power Rankings - 6/9/2015

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This week things finally began to settle down. Teams have had time to run their new rosters and mold new identities -- many have begun to see the fruits of their labor. On the other hand, some teams have struggled, and are left scratching their heads over what went wrong in the off season.

As we're only a few weeks into the season, there's still recovery time before the Playoff sprint, but teams need to course correct quickly before the top teams' leads become insurmountable. While things are a little less certain in NA and EU, as you'll see below, things in China and Korea have become more defined.

Come see who the top teams are this week...

Korea

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  1. ( - ) SKTelecom T1 (4-0) [8-1]
  2. ( - ) CJ Entus (4-0) [8-3]
  3. ( - ) KT Rolster (3-1) [7-3]
  4. ( - ) Jin Air Green Wings (4-1) [8-3]
  5. ( - ) Najin e-mFire (2-2) [5-5]
  6. ( - ) KOO Tigers (1-3) [4-7]
  7. ( - ) Samsung (1-4) [5-8]
  8. ( - ) Incredible Miracle (1-3) [3-7]
  9. ( - ) Anarchy (1-3) [4-7]
  10. ( - ) SBENU Sonicboom (0-4) [0-8]

(Match Score) [Game Score]

Sorry to disappoint you, but Korea looks to be the most stable of all the regions -- no changes this week. That's not to say there aren't developments.

CJ Entus is beginning to close the gap with SKTelecom T1 and contest for the title of best in Korea. Similarly, KOO Tigers finally had their first good week of the season, nearly taking down the afforementioned CJ Entus. It's possible there could be a shakeup in the rankings if teams continue to improve, but for now the journey to the top continues for all but SKT.

Panel: Alex Manisier, Erik "DoA" Lonnquist, Christopher "MonteCristo" Mykles, and Mike "Noctt" Huh

China
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  1. ( - ) Edward Gaming (4-0-1)
  2. ( - ) Invictus Gaming (3-2-1)
  3. (+1) Snake (3-1-3)
  4. (-1) Qiao Gu (3-0-2)
  5. ( - ) OMG (2-0-4)
  6. (+1) LGD Gaming (1-2-3)
  7. (-1) Vici Gaming (0-1-5)
  8. (+4) Team King (0-4-2)
  9. (-1) Masters 3 (2-1-3)
  10. (-1) Royal Never Give Up (1-2-3)
  11. ( - ) Team WE (0-3-3)
  12. (-2) Unlimited Potential (0-3-4)

Record format is (W-L-T)

China puts us into an interesting position because of the experimentation, inconsistency, and some might say lackidasical play. LGD in particular is a curious case. The Chinese panel unianimously believes that LGD will eventually finish 2nd Place. Yet the team remains inconsistent and isn't showing the prowess it had towards the end of the LPL Spring Playoffs. Similarly, Vici Gaming is now playing In-kyu "DanDy" Choi in the top lane, due to some issues with Zu-Jing "Carry" Wang. 

The actual No. 2 in China right now is Invictus Gaming, who despite some slip ups remain extremely solid all around. Snake has improved in the past week and Qiao Gu has looked slightly less impressive, but nothing to make us believe long term problems are brewing, or that Snake will usher in a period of dominance beyond what they've already shown.

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The largest move is Team King, who now with Korean players In-seok "InSec" Choi and Kyung-sup "Zero" Yoon are starting to look like a legitimate team again and not just the laughing stock of the LPL.

Panel: Barento "Raz" Mohammed, Michale "Drexxin" Lalor, and Carlos "H0tsawce" Bravo.

North America

  1. ( - ) Team SoloMid (3-1)
  2. (+5) Gravity (3-1)
  3. (-1) Counter Logic Gaming (3-1)
  4. (-1) Team Liquid (3-1)
  5. ( - ) Team Impulse (2-2)
  6. (+2) Team Dignitas (3-1)
  7. (-1)  Enemy Esports (2-2)
  8. (-4) Cloud9 (1-3)
  9. ( - ) Team8 (0-4)
  10. ( - ) Team Dragon Knights (0-4)

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There's still a lot of room for growth in North America, and relative parity throughout the region, but TSM has landed atop the pile yet again. Going into Week 2, we knew that the match between TSM and CLG would likely show us who was the best team in the region, and despite some teamfight struggles in the mid game, TSM proved to be superior. While the whole team has stepped up, Bjergsen is on another level, and is simply miles better than everyone else he plays against.

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Continuing with other 3-1 teams, Team Dignitas has been a pleasent surprise this season. Shiphtur has been having a more consistent split, but it's Azingy that's made the real difference. Azingy had been thought of as a liability last split, but in Summer he has been a key initiator in teamfights and one of the reasons the team is enjoying such great success early on.

Panel: Cameron Gilbert, Mattias "Gentleman Gustaf" Lehman, Taylor "Riot RoboTayCo" Cocke, Jason "Riot Jayway" Wai, Joshua "Riot Jatt" Leesman, and Frank "Riot Mirhi" Fields.

Europe

  1. ( - ) Fnatic (4-0)
  2. ( - ) Origen (4-0)
  3. (+1) H2K (3-1)
  4. (-1) Unicorns of Love (3-1)
  5. (+4) Giants Gaming (3-1)
  6. ( - ) Copenhagen Wolves (1-3)
  7. (-2) Elements (1-3)
  8. ( - ) ROCCAT (1-3)
  9. (-2) SK Gaming (0-4)
  10. ( - ) Gambit Gaming (0-4)

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It's turning into a two horse race for Europe. Fnatic and Origen look nigh untouchable in their first four games, and their success makes us eagerly anticipate their Week 4 showdown. It's clear both teams are trying out new strategies, but that hasn't cost them on the scoreboard yet, even without the most clean games on Fnatic's part. Still, we can see the writing on the wall -- these teams are the real deal.

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As for the rest of the teams, Unicorns of Love and H2K have settled into their routines: the Unicorns are inconsistent, but have a high ceiling, and H2K play to their maximum potential regularly, but with what we think is a lower ceiling. With both teams being some impressive and fun to watch, we can only speculate who will get the edge come Playoff time.

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The biggest surprise of the EU LCS has been Giants, who are off to a 3-1 start, and have massively improved from last split. So far, most of the teams who made major roster changes in the off season are suffering growing pains, with Elements, SK Gaming and Gambit earning only a single victory between them.

Panel: Taylor "Riot RoboTayCo" Cocke, Jason "Riot Jayway" Wai, and Frank "Riot Mirhi" Fields.

Taiwan

  1. ( - ) ahq e-Sports Club (5-0-0)
  2. ( - ) Flash Wolves (2-0-2)
  3. (+2) Midnight Sun (1-2-2)
  4. (-1) Machi Esports (1-2-2)
  5. (+3) Assassin Sniper (1-2-1)
  6. (+1) Logitech Snipers (0-2-3)
  7. (-1) Hong Kong Esports (0-1-3)
  8. (-4) Taipei Assassins (1-2-1)

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Taiwan is making it hard to discern who the top teams are. Team's like AS, TPA and HKE have struggled to adapt to opponents, and teams like MSE and Machi don't seem to have the raw skill for the long haul. What we do know is ahq is the class of the LMS and that's not likely to change in 2015.

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Midnight Sun has shown some improvements over the past week, and so they get our nod above Machi. Meanwhile the traditionally powerful Taipei Assassins have begun to show real struggles, and we are afraid that they might not recover in time. But there's still a lot of time for teams to turn things around.

Panel: James "Obscurica" Chen and Chia "Reazony" Yu.

Brazil

  1. ( - ) Keyd Stars (3-0-0)
  2. ( - ) paIN Gaming (2-0-1)
  3. ( - ) INTZ e-Sports (2-1-0)
  4. (+1) g3nerationX (2-0-1)
  5. (-1)  CNB e-Sports Club (0-2-1)
  6. ( - ) KaBuM! Orange (1-2-0)
  7. (+1) KaBuM! Black (0-2-1)
  8. (-1) INTZ e-Sports Red (0-2-1)

Record format is (W-L-T)

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Brazil has settled down from a volatile Week 1 into a second consecutive week of 2-0 sweeps. Nearly every Week 3 set included one close game, and one beat down as the lower-tier teams in the region continue to struggle with toppling their top tier counterparts. While progress and overall parity  still exist, growth is slow and difficult to come by.

Rebounding from a sluggish loss to KaBuM! Black, paiN Gaming looks better by the week. While not an overwhelmingly flashy playmaker, paiN's Thúlio "SirT" Carlos has been quite at home in the jungle as of late, guiding his team to victory. This week he also put up impressive numbers on both Sejuani and Gragas, ending their sweep over KaBuM! Orange with 86% kill participation and a 32 KDA across both games. If paiN continues on their current growth trajectory, their Week 8 set against Keyd Stars could be the match of the season.

Written by Emily Rand

Panel: Emily Rand

Latin America

  1. KLG (2-0)
  2. Lyon Gaming (3-0)
  3. Last Kings (2-0)
  4. Gaming Gaming (3-0)
  5. Furious Gaming (1-1)
  6. Dash9 Gaming (2-1)
  7. Havoks Gaming (1-2)
  8. Rebirth eSports (1-1)

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Week 2 is underway and the Latin American Cup keeps heating up. In the North the favorites Lyon Gaming are on a crash course against their new regional rivals Gaming Gaming -- both teams are coming in undefeated and this Wednesday LAN will have a new classic when both teams collide. As a reminder, Gaming Gaming is now playing with a bot lane that comes straight from Lyon’s ranks in Diego "Arce" Arce Chang and Ian "1an" Espinosa who both played with the lions before joining GG.

Meanwhile in the South we have the current LATAM champions KLG still dominating their region, but, similar to Lyon and GG, it’s looking like Last Kings will also be undefeated by the time both teams face of next Thursday. Last Kings is coming in reinforced by former Furious Gaming support Andres "Mettaz" Veiga Novara and former Bencheados mid laner Bastian "xBravo" Bravo. 

This is a vital week for Latin America because it will define the top spots from both regions and with all the roster changes, anything can happen.

Written by Erick “Skyshock” Gonzalez

Panel: Erick "Skyshock" Gonzalez

Japan

  1. ( - ) DetonatioN FocusMe (3-1)
  2. ( - ) 7th Heaven (3-1)
  3. ( - ) RabbitFive (2-2)
  4. ( - ) Ozone Rampage (3-1)
  5. ( - ) Rascal Jester (1-3)
  6. ( - ) ApeX R Gaming (0-4)



This week was one of the LJL's double header weekends, and it 7th heaven's time to shine. Up against two tough opponents in Ozone Rampage and Rabbit Five, we got a glimpse of the play behind their pre-season hype. Perhaps most interestingly, it's not super-hyped Korean Challenger Byung-cheol "Alvingo" Choi making the flashy plays and carrying the team. He's been taking on a supporting role, playing Lulu mid in both wins, while local stars Kento "Mueki" Ojima and Shunsuke "Evi" Murase dished out the tons of damage. As homegrown talent and new faces continue to thrive in LJL, the level of play continues to go up and the games only get better.

The remainder of matches were fairly predictable stomps, featuring the return of FocusMe's decisive gameplay versus RJ and ARG in two ruthless beatdowns. With one week left until the season's halfway point, the LJL is definitely no longer a one-team show. 7th heaven is breathing down the champions' necks, with Rabbit Five and Rampage right behind. Things are getting fun.

Written by Cameron Gilbert

Panel: Cameron Gilbert

Turkey

  1. (+4) Team Turquality (4-4)
  2. (-1) Beşiktaş (7-1)
  3. ( - ) Oyun Hizmetleri (5-3)
  4. ( - ) Dark Passage (4-4)
  5. (-3) HWA.Gamesatış (4-4)
  6. (+1) Atlas (3-5)
  7. (+1) CREW (2-6)
  8. (-2) NumberOne eSports Club (3-5)

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With eight matches played on the same day, teams had to face fatigue in addition to the fierce competition in Week 4 of the Turkish Championship League. Teams also seemed to solidify rosters with only a single change in the starting line-ups.

Team Turquality continued their strong showing as well as their win streak. After the abysmal 0-4 start to the Summer Split, they have now won four games in a row. More importantly, they beat DP and HWA this week, where they conceded only 14 kills and earned a combined total of 52 of their own. It should also be noted TT’s performance echoes their 2014 season, where they failed to impress at the start but stepped up and advanced to the Grand Finals.

On the other hand, after a series of shaky performances, Beşiktaş dropped their first game of the split against DP. This result also marks the very first defeat for Beşiktaş in TCL, where they fielded their starters. But they are still sitting comfortably at the top of the table. Oyun Hizmetleri kept up their good spell and climbed to the 2nd spot in the standings. After acquiring Anıl "HolyPhoenix" Işık, HWA.Gamesatış looked very strong, however their 0-2 record this week granted the highest drop in the rankings so far. 

Turkish Championship League will return on June 27 with Week 5 matches. Don’t forget to catch up on everything about TCL via lolespor.com.

Written by Kursad Demirer

Panel: Kursad Demirer, Christopher Willekens

CIS

  1. ( - ) Hard Random (4-0)
  2. (+1) Tornado RoX (4-0)
  3. (-1) Just.MSI (3-1)
  4. (+2) Solar Wind (2-2)
  5. (-1) Dolphins (1-2)
  6. (-1) Dragon (1-3)
  7. (+1) Your Exit (0-4)
  8. (-1) Carpe Diem (0-3)

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It was a light week in StarLadder with only five games played over the course of the week, but it featured one of the most entertaining matches of the season so far: Tornado RoX vs Just.MSI. RoX came out ahead with clutch performances down the stretch (and a bit of a throw fest if we're honest) and secure 2nd Place as a result.

Hard Random however remains consistent and brilliant. If things go as they are, the inevitable showdown between HR and RoX will be quite entertaining. The biggest breakthrough of the season so far has been Solar Wind, who have capitalized on the instability of veteran teams Dolphins, Carpe Diem and Dragon.

Written by Michael "Olsior" Zverev

Panel: Michael "Olsior" Zverev

International

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  1. ( - ) Edward Gaming (4-0-1)
  2. ( - ) SKTelecom T1 (4-0)
  3. ( - ) Invictus Gaming (3-2-1)
  4. ( - ) CJ Entus (4-0)
  5. (+6) Snake (3-1-3)
  6. (-1) KT Rolster (3-1)
  7. ( - ) ahq e-Sports Club (5-0-0)
  8. ( - ) Fnatic (4-0)
  9. (+4) Origen (4-0)
  10. (-4) Qiao Gu (3-0-2)
  11. (NEW) H2K (3-1)
  12. (-2) Jin Air Green Wings (4-1)
  13. (-4) Flash Wolves (2-0-2)
  14. (-2) Najin e-mFire (2-2)
  15. (+3) Team SoloMid (3-1)
  16. (-1) OMG (2-0-4)
  17. (-3) KOO Tigers (1-3)
  18. (-1) LGD (0-1-3)
  19. (+1) Samsung (1-4)
  20. (-1) Unicorns of Love (3-1)

It's possible that we're wrong, and that the middle tier of Korea isn't as good as the upper tier of North America. It's possible that the upper tier of Europe should be higher in the top 10. But it's impossible to know. 

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We do know that the NA LCS has not been good so far. We still don't definitively know who the second best team is. We think we know, but things have changed so much game to game that things could improve or break apart for one team or another. Given the consistency of China and Korea at the top, the best four teams are fairly solidified.

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Origen and Snake are the biggest movers this week -- Origen because of their dominance over Europe and continued unblemished record and Snake because of rapid improvements with their new roster (for the split). With a lot of teams outside of the top four looking shaky, there is room for Western teams to break into the Top 20, but so far we haven't seen enough to move anyone up.

Let us know your thoughts on the Power Rankings on Twitter or in the comments below.

Images courtesy of Inven, Garena, SANKO, and paiN Gaming

Frank Fields is a Senior Editor for Riot Games' Esports Web Content team. You'll find him rewinding time in Zaun or on Twitter where he'd love to talk to you about esports.

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165 Comments

RiotMirhi19 votes

Hey guys,

I really should have spent some time explaining Gravity's ascension up the rankings, but since this article has been in the wild, I don't really want to make that large a content change.

Every week something will get left out of the rankings simply because of the length required to talk about every team. This week it was Gravity. That's not a good reason though -- I messed up.

So let me say this:

Gravity's play has impressed a lot of people here, and even though their strength of schedule isn't ridiculously high, we have thought they've looked like the most complete team of the 3-1s (other than TSM).

As I acknowledge in the International section though, we_ really don't know_ who the best team in North America is.

I like boobs3 votes

Between ahq and Fnatic, their performance at MSI was pretty similar, however even at the time I felt as though Fnatic was the stronger of the two teams after watching the semi-final performances (at MSI).

So I'm interested as to why the panel felt ahq deserved a higher spot than Fnatic. From my perspective, Fnatic now even looks stronger than they did at MSI, and ahq looks to be playing at about the same level (maybe slightly better?).

RiotMirhi6 votes

Fair and good question. I think the difference is very minuscule and realistically it's impossible to tell.

As for our reasoning, it came down to the matchup vs SKT at MSI.

Although it's true that EDG beat ahq 3-0, we felt Fnatic would have a similar outcome based on the matchup.

SKT did not handle EDG's chaotic style of League, and ahq plays a similar style. EDG is familiar with ahq's style from the LPL and thus could handle it easily, while SKT does not handle that brand of LoL well at all.

A perfect example of this is KT Rolster Arrows from Champions Summer 2014.

Because of how thoroughly ahq had dominated SKT in the Group Stage until their series of throws (still being up nearly 5k gold when losing), we thought ahq was more likely to have beaten SKT in a BO5 and ranked them marginally higher.

And then as a fall back, simply the head to head matchup was the tie breaker.

Vicious Orange4 votes

What do you mean SKT did not handle EDG's chaotic style? The series was 3-2 and in the whole tournament the score is 3-3. SKT and EDG had same amount of wins and defeats against each other. EDG could not handle SKT's control style just as often as SKT failed to control EDG's aggression, your statement is way one sided that makes me ask if you even watched MSI.

Also Ahq's throws? There is a reason why no bad team can comeback from 10k lead while great teams can. SKT did it twice agianst fnc and ahq and crushed edg in groups. Its not ahq throwing its skt simply being great once? Sure but they did it twice.

I SUPA I6 votes

Tbh EDG had the upper hand throughout the series. EDG game 1 seem to test SKT. Dodging by playstyle. Its a thing most chinese teams do. hence why game 2 & 3 was a breeze. game 4 is where Faker came in and surprised everyone with the Kassadin pick. Game 5 Faker got baited and it was practically easy game for them throughout. Things may have been different if Faker played all 5 games though. Which I think Fnatic should be judged upon. AHQ played against Easyhoon. Fnatic played against Faker which is the better mid laner overall

Earl Eulrich2 votes

I have to disagree here, with Faker SKT plays a very TSM-like style were they focus a lot of ressources towards their midlaner - mostly relaying on jungle/mid synergy early on - which is rather easy to figure out and well...not so easy to beat, but with a midlaner on fakers level and a strong jungler absolutly managable, just like EDG showed in game 5 of the finals. With Easyhoon they play a lot more controlled and get incredible dangerous mid-lategame if you can´t stop their rotations early on. Also, i don´t think in game 4 EDG really did get catched off guard, they just underperformed with very lackluster decission making early on.

DChe3 votes

You might have a point if SKT simply 3-0'ed FNC. They didn't. They looked shaky in that series. They were in danger of losing to Fnatic, and they almost lost to AHQ. It's not about "great teams can come back". They simply did not look nearly as dominant as EDG was. And EDG was picking a joke comp in that group stage (Deft on fucking tristana). If FNC could take SKT to 5 games, AHQ certainly could've done that, too. Not only did AHQ look better against SKT and EDG than Fnatic did in group stage, they also crushed FNC head-to-head.

Earl Eulrich2 votes

EDG doesn´t play chaotic? They very rarly fight without wave or vision-control in their favour - though they control both so well that they often can jump the gun and are more willing to do it than other teams. And I still think you are too biased towards the Korean teams internationally, SKT barly did beat Fnatic and the rest of LCK doesn´t really seem to be close enough to their lvl at all currently, most matches are rather sloppy compared to last year. Samsungs Exodus really took a hit on the LCK and you donßt reflect on it at all.

Edit: SKT currently even struggles vs Anarchy, and i doubt anyone would argue that Anarchy suddenly became an international top team after a free week...just proves further that the Korean level all in all isn´t that high currently. No doubt Anarchy plays the games well, but you still see lots of mistakes (which got exploited by skt in game 1 anyway, though game 2 looks like they won´t come back now)...also showing a continuing trend for SKT to often win of their opponents mistakes latly, not so much because they made big plays themselves, which won´t bode well for them vs really strong opponents.

Plato The Potato8 votes

I don't know... I still think CLG should be placed higher than Gravity?

Cryovix10 votes

agree with most the rankings except i dont believe that samsung should be ranked 19th on the international list

Smooth Gillings7 votes

In my opinion, Origen is, and should be ranked, better than Fnatic right now. Obviously both teams are very good, starting 4-0, but Origen has had convincing victories in all 4 games, even completely ripping apart Copenhagen and SK. Origen also gave both the 3-1 H2K and Giants their only losses so far. Fnatic on the other hand played a sloppy game against the 0-4 SK team, and showed some trip ups against Roccat, another 1-3 team at the bottom of the board. While it's impossible to tell without them playing against each other, my prediction for week 4 is an Origen victory over the champions.

Smooth Gillings4 votes

Btw, I understand Fnatic is trying some new stuff, but so has Origen, and they have definitely had better actualization of their vision in team comps and strategies than Fnatic.

I SUPA I4 votes

Time will tell at Week 4. ;)

PoopinonuFTW1 votes

you can't place someone over the defending champions unless they are losing games

Earl Eulrich2 votes

sure you can if they appear to be doign everything better...and after defeating UoL within 25min I have to say, currently there´s only one team in the world i´d compare to them in playstyle and execution, and that´s EDG.

Earl Eulrich1 votes

It´s just too early to tell...while I believe Origen absolutly has more potential than Fnatic currently and will eventually be a major contender for worlds if not this then next season - I´d still favour Fnatic slightly in high pressure matches currently, just because they already have proven themselves very well during the MSI. Even if Origen should beat Fnatic in week 4 I think we have to wait till the playoffs to really see how strong Origen already is.

Cheryl Cole3 votes

I would never say Origen has more potential. There are 4 veterans most likely playing at their best. Fnatic has 4 newbies still improving and getting better every week. Doesnt matter who is better now, but there is no way Origen will be better in like 2 years.

GoBardInThePaint7 votes

I personally think that these rankings are over-selling Europe. I don't think that Fnatic, Origen or H2k look exceptionall better than any NA teams, i also think that they're worse than Jin air and that Yoe and AHQ are too high.

Tarkamacska24 votes

Fnatic and Origen look a lot lot lot better than any NA teams, UOL and H2K are on the lvl of TSM probably. Gravity also looks really good now. But they are not even close to Fnatic and esp. to Origen. This week. And they are weekly power rankings.

Probably you was one of the NA>EU heavy spammers who downvoted every single "EU maybe isnt that bad" posts. Be salty.

Kendorra4 votes

Agreed, Fnatic and Origen really are better then TSM, H2K and UOL are close to TSM, i personaly(how do you spell this correctly) give the edge to TSM simply cause

  1. Bjergsen together with Santorin can beat Powerofevil
  2. Wildturtle & Lustboy are slightly better then H2K's bot lane + bjergsen is way better then Ryu The reason i rank them so close is because despite TSM having better players, UOL and H2K are better tactical teams.
Cheryl Cole3 votes

no. 1 made my day :D. Despite i agree with it, it just sounds stupid :D. When they faced each other, im pretty sure bjergsen had a bad day and his failure wasn't something what would happen repeatedly. I guess it is pretty equal mid, but still bjergsen has a bit better laning so i dont believe he would need Santorin to hold his own. But as you said im giving the edge to TSM aswell.

Tesla the Cat9 votes

Are you ready for this? Well here it goes... As a TSM fanboy I think that TSM isn't as good as Fnatic or Origen right now. Fnatic is dominating EU LCS right now and we will have to see if Origen can de-throne them. We have seen the Fnatic vs TSM match-up and in my opinion even though TSM wasn't playing to the level that was expected of them they were still beat cleanly by Fnatic and would have if they played well. I have to see how Origen can handle Fnatic before i will say anything about if Origen can beat TSM. other than that I believe TSM could beat any other EU team out there. UOL could give them a run for their money however but i think the team we saw at MSI wasnt the real TSM.

Cheryl Cole3 votes

opinion as legit as any other. Fanboy or not this makes sense.

SinatraZ4 votes

I have agree with H2K being on TSM level but I think UOL are not as good as people think they are. They had a first great split but my bet is they will finish 5th this summer split. But yeah, overall EU is way better than NA. As a canadian I enjoy watching EU LCS a lot more than NA.

LastFunCheung2 votes

so you wanna say NA > EU ? another MSI plz~

Paocai8 votes

I personally think that we can't tell who is better right now. Mainly because almost every team has a few bad showings. Just because a team like for an example TSM, had a bad showing at MSI, doesn't mean that they are automatically terrible. I have to say EU teams right now like Fnatic and Origen are looking amazing, but there was room to grow and get better from MSI to now. I honestly think that we can't tell which team is better until they face each other again. Not on either side, just trying to state a point.

Cheryl Cole2 votes

3 top EU teams dont look better then any NA team? What an exceptional¨bullshit. Even if we come to an agreement, that top EU teams are on the same level as top NA teams ( and it would be only due to respect for NA. Becouse for the first time since S2, one region looks truly stronger. And its pretty hard to even tell who your best teams are). You can hardly say something more stupid, then that Fnatic or Origen doesnt look exceptionaly better then TDK or T8.

I SUPA I5 votes

Bruh EU always looked stronger. Just massive tilt season 4. But the gap has clearly widen now.

I AM TEM5 votes

I think they are over-selling Europe as well. I think the top 3-4 teams are solid, but the bottom 6 are garbage. It's easy to look REALLY good when you are playing against weak competition. Maybe NA is just a lot more balanced and teams are struggling to separate themselves from the rest of the pack? I do think Fnatic and Origen are probably ahead of anyone in NA, but I feel like that's about it.

I SUPA I6 votes

The bottom 6 of NA are beyond garbage....are you trying to compare Roccat to NME? GMB to TDK? Giants to DIG? The bottom half of EU can easily be a higher rank on NA.

Raiderp6 votes

C9 has one bad week and is shot down to 8th... Lol

Selk3t39 votes

Meh, C9 didn't look at that good in week 1 either. TSM lost to C9 more than C9 won against TSM(Those choke point team fights) and C9 got rolled by Dig. Week 2 C9 just got convincingly beaten twice by two teams that weren't TSM or CLG. Face it dude, they're in a slump and probably the weakest they have ever been. Incarnation hasn't filled those hype shoes just yet.

Jaegybomb2 votes

There's still a big difference between "the weakest they've ever been" and "expected to finish outside of the top 4".

coeurloyal3 votes

To be fair, the top half of NA is significantly better this year than it was last year and probably even better than last split. I think CLG and possibly even TL are good enough to make some waves in Worlds (assuming NA isn't a bust internationally this year... that has yet to be determined).

Most of us knew there would be some growing pains, and now that we've seen the actual aftermath of the changes we know what to expect. They won't make Worlds this year, but they'll probably run a tight race with Gravity and TIP for the last two spots in the top half. Honestly, I think C9 lost a lot of power when the meta shifted away from the bot dominance and are suffering more than other teams because of it.

Jaegybomb3 votes

These are the growing pains. We won't really have an idea of what to expect for another 2 or 3 weeks. That said I don't think anyone truly realizes just how much Hai carried the team on a macro level when he was on the top of his game.

Jaegybomb2 votes

Honestly I think TSM, C9 and LMQ were all stronger last year than any team in NA is this year. Curse got better but they will never have the teamwork LMQ did. Luckily China and Taiwan are the only regions that have gotten significantly better and Korea has definitely dropped off quite a bit.

Earl Eulrich4 votes

EU also looks stronger than ever, after they dropped it somehow during S4.

Cryovix10 votes

lol of course they are in a slump, you switch out a player from a team that has played together for how long, that plus he was their shot caller. it would be surprising if C9 didnt struggle with this change

SKT KuroNeko1 votes

not true. TSM had regi playing in mid and as shot caller since the creation of TSM. and when regi stepped down and bjerg took over.. they dominated even more and was the only reason why they were even able to start taking games off of C9 (cuz back with regi, TSM lost to C9 0-4 in weekly LCS and then lost 0-3 in playoffs) .

So saying just cuz HAI left, it doesnt mean C9 should be in a slump cuz TSM wasnt in one either. Not only that but TSM also had Jungle changes as well as support changes and each time they got better and never fell into a slump like the one C9 is in right now. so ur argument is highly invalid

Cryovix3 votes

behold, the tsm fanboy

MI2 Cuddles6 votes

You should correct the first NA article because I assume "and relative **parody **throughout the region," should use the word parity.

RiotMirhi7 votes

Thank you for the catch.

Blind Minion2 votes

I believe that was subconsciously intentional.

TopMuffin3 votes

Ranking a relatively unproven Origen and placing H2K above TSM is a fucking joke. Sorry but TSM should be top 10 easy. Not even fanboying super hard, it's just clear that these power rankings are extremely biased.

Sycksh1t1 votes

Get used to it TopMuffin....Most of these people are clueless really including the analyst..You just have to deal with the fact that there are very few of us that see what is really going on. Origen is hyped beyond belief, some people even think there better then Fnatic...Truly laughable. One EU team is a contender for worlds right now so of course the EU fanboys are gonna act like there entire region is now world class and even untested teams like Origen are gods now. Origen will be lucky to place second this split and the only chance they have of beating Fnatic is in a bo1. They will most likely take there first loss this week to UOL then get somewhat humbled because of it and end up losing a few more games just because there ego gets damaged...Origen beat one team in one game that was worth anything and that was H2k. Lets talk about H2k though...Better then TSM now? I doubt Origen could beat TSM much less H2k and no I am not a fan of TSM and im disgusted with NA right now but facts are facts. You cant assume that because one EU team Fnatic...Can beat the top NA team..That the top three EU can beat them, its just absurd. Fnatic is on a whole other level then most and I knew that before MSI.

Anyways Muffin don't think of it as biased...That's not the case...They are just clueless and going with whatever hype is relevant at the time. In the spring split they were hyping NA now after MSI there gonna Hype EU. Its pretty apparent there just guessing and guessing badly at that. You have to remember the majority of the population are below what you would consider average intelligence. So just let them downvote you and take it as a compliment. You may be one of the few instead of one of the many retards.

Cheryl Cole9 votes

NA seriously...where are these guys comming from? Salt lake city? Analysts and 90% of lol community see the potential of Origen and somehow you dare to come here and say we all are clueless. Becouse you and your buddy above you are only one here who knows what is going on. Yes they are hyped.. why shouldnt they be? They simply shit all over their opponents. And with all the respect after two weeks showing they would most likely shit all over TSM aswell. Calm down and eat some cheeseburgers.

Sycksh1t1 votes

So clueless sighs...let me make this clear for meatheads like you...im not salty i support na and eu..i like fnatic and c9 as a fan but otherwise there is no bias in what i say. I want a western team to take worlds thats all, dont care which.

Origen are experienced players but they have not been truly tested...we will see what they got in the next two weeks...otherwise imo they are completly overhyped...we will see soon enough..

I will make one garauntee right now because im not foolish enough to believe i know exactly where to place origen yet.

Origen is not better then fnatic origen will not beat fnatic in a bo5 origen can only hope to beat them in a bo1 and that can happen with any two teams.

Cheryl Cole4 votes

Is that common in NA? You just came and started to offend everyone. I would never put Origen higher then Fnatic for the same reasons as you. But the manners how you wrote it are just horrible sir. How can you say Origen will not beat fnatic in bo5, if they are not tested yet? Asnwer this... Same pattern, same logic. One way or another, in the end every opinion is just the same presumption based on exact same leads with different conclusion. What makes the difference is nothing more, then bias. For example you are just trying to make EU look worse and keep some hope for NA. Im ok with that as far, as you would write some senseful stuff not this barefaced trash talk.

THE KILLER GUY1 votes

I think the one clear difference between NA and EU so far is that the bottom half of NA has been much more defined in the first two weeks than that of EU. In EU, it seems like everything below top 2 is up for grabs in the eyes of every team. NA, on the other hand, is a very different story. The top teams are very mixed right now; but the bottom teams seem to have already been decided. I hope this will change in time, though. I loved the excitement and thrill of the unknown going into each game during the NA Spring Split. I hope that same competitiveness will come back soon.

Ale non è male5 votes

The clear difference is that the bottom half of NA is much weaker than the bottom half of EU

If you see the bottom half of EU you have:

  • CW who despite losing players to the "top teams" is growing every season as organization and is getting better and better looking at their results as they has reached playoff this season after that last season they had to play twice promotion series and finished 8th in a far weaker Summer Split than the actual one
  • Elements: A team with Froggen and Tabbz, nuff said...even if they have been just renewed, a team with two players that strong in NA would be top 5
  • ROCCAT: a team that last season was costantly top 4 in Europe (Europe was much weaker, but you still have to place 3rd and 4th in the two split playoffs), has substituted only two players from last season with two very competent players -Gambit: team that ended 4th in the Regular Season of this season Spring, lost in playoffs vs the team that ended the playoffs in 2nd place, and added in this split the MVP of Spring Split( regular Season), namely Forg1ven -SK Gaming: a team that last season went to World and when they were with full roster( after Sven fulfilled his 3 game ban) were 2-1 in the group stage, in a group with S4 World's runner-up ShRC (against which they barely loss) and TSM (that they beated), ended 1st in Regular Season of Spring Split, finished 4th in the playoffs losing only in game 5 vs H2K and are actually running a team that is almost identic to S4 Worlds team barring forFox - a kinda competent player - replacing Jesiz

See, no team that is potentially a very weak link as far as talent goes - heck, the only exception could be Giants Gaming but it looks like they are getting far better too once they are gaining LCS experience - Can be said the same for NA? Absolutely no, there are some very weak teams at the bottom of the table., despite importing a tons of players from other regions

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