i hear people say TSM has a chance at winning worlds not really if anything
C9, Flyquest, and even phoenix 1 have a better chance at winning worlds then they do they have played horrible this split I thought they would get better but it's not plus they seem to choke at worlds while other american teams make it farther then them they are good in america not international waters
oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 voteshmm are any of these teams from LCK ? no? then none of them do
its kinda like the NBA , we all know its gonna be LeBrone James and the cavs vs Curry and the warriors and none of the rest of the league matters
Isedelica1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=EWXu1zL7,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-03-27T02:57:00.906+0000)
hmm are any of these teams from LCK ? no? then none of them do
its kinda like the NBA , we all know its gonna be LeBrone James and the cavs vs Curry and the warriors and none of the rest of the league matters
lol rekt
MrHaZeYo3 votesTSM - Once they get Dlift back they will get better. C9 - Have early issues but they can be corrected these two teams give NA the greatest chance.
P1 - I'd say they would have a solid chance but they need to find a upgrade at support. Fly- I love this team but they have about a 20% of making it to worlds, let alone winning.
Isedelica1 votesTSM - Once they get Dlift back they will get better. C9 - Have early issues but they can be corrected these two teams give NA the greatest chance.
P1 - I'd say they would have a solid chance but they need to find a upgrade at support. Fly- I love this team but they have about a 20% of making it to worlds, let alone winning.
I do not know why they got rid of dlift in the first place they are stupid
MrHaZeYo3 votesThat comment tells me you know nothing about Esports.
Dlift retired for the split to take a break so TSM brought in Turtle to replace him (basically for the split). Dlift missed the LCS and TL wanted to barrow him for the split so here he is back in the LCS on TL, he will more than likely be back on TSM next split.
Isedelica1 votesThat comment tells me you know nothing about Esports.
Dlift retired for the split to take a break so TSM brought in Turtle to replace him (basically for the split). Dlift missed the LCS and TL wanted to barrow him for the split so here he is back in the LCS on TL, he will more than likely be back on TSM next split.
i know but even if they have dlift they will still choke they are just playing bad this season not just that but ever year the american teams below and under them always perform better then tsm at worlds
TSM gets taken out immediately
JavelinJoe1 votesDL said in an interview that the success TSM had in the NA splits made the 2017 spring split less appealing. He was worried that he would not feel satisfied coming back from worlds given their performance. He felt that he needed some time off to work on and try to improve his personal skills and mechanics outside of the NA LCS scene. So he asked to take a split off and Regi accepted with the condition that he would not be guaranteed the spot when he wanted to return and would have to try out again.
He missed the LCS and felt that him not being part of it was frustrating. So he ended his "break" when Team Liquid and Regi made a deal to let Team Liquid "barrow" DL for the rest of the split in hopes that he could help them avoid relegation. After the split they would give him back so he could try out again to be TSM's starting ADC.
Isedelica1 votesDL said in an interview that the success TSM had in the NA splits made the 2017 spring split less appealing. He was worried that he would not feel satisfied coming back from worlds given their performance. He felt that he needed some time off to work on and try to improve his personal skills and mechanics outside of the NA LCS scene. So he asked to take a split off and Regi accepted with the condition that he would not be guaranteed the spot when he wanted to return and would have to try out again.
He missed the LCS and felt that him not being part of it was frustrating. So he ended his "break" when Team Liquid and Regi made a deal to let Team Liquid "barrow" DL for the rest of the split in hopes that he could help them avoid relegation. After the split they would give him back so he could try out again to be TSM's starting ADC.
hopefully but there still playing pretty bad but if dlift does come back ill give them a chance
GeminiRune3 votesFirst of all, those are often results-based bandwagoners making those claims. Don't be a bandwagoner; it's often bad to get caught up in that. Secondly, it's still the Spring Split. We're months away from any serious discussion of how a team will turn out for Worlds, let alone be a serious contender on a whole scale topic.
Isedelica1 votesFirst of all, those are often results-based bandwagoners making those claims. Don't be a bandwagoner; it's often bad to get caught up in that. Secondly, it's still the Spring Split. We're months away from any serious discussion of how a team will turn out for Worlds, let alone be a serious contender on a whole scale topic.
it's been 9 weeks and there still playing bad they had like a week where they player great then it fell off and they where doing horrible
GeminiRune2 votesSo? That still doesn't exclude the matter that it's still the Spring Split, months away from Worlds. On an international standard, who's really pulling to pre-split met expectations so far outside of a small handful; SKT and finally SSG being the only one from Korea as it stands right now. That's not what this is about though. The point I'm making is to make conclusions already is just dense unless you're that self defeating.
Isedelica1 votesSo? That still doesn't exclude the matter that it's still the Spring Split, months away from Worlds. On an international standard, who's really pulling to pre-split met expectations so far outside of a small handful; SKT and finally SSG being the only one from Korea as it stands right now. That's not what this is about though. The point I'm making is to make conclusions already is just dense unless you're that self defeating.
they could come back and do amazing it could happen but very rare
last year for sure they could have won but it did not play out that way
and i have been watching and C9 and flyquest are playing better even if the score does not show hands down there decision making is on point
GeminiRune2 votesLike I said, that's self defeating. It's as if you're filling the water bottle and it's not even half full before you decide that you just don't want the water anymore. As a result you just pour it right out.
So what you're saying is that the Spring Split is the best they're ever going to get. This regular season is their ceiling. Think about how logical that sounds to you especially given TSM's domestic history.
Isedelica1 votesLike I said, that's self defeating. It's as if you're filling the water bottle and it's not even half full before you decide that you just don't want the water anymore. As a result you just pour it right out.
So what you're saying is that the Spring Split is the best they're ever going to get. This regular season is their ceiling. Think about how logical that sounds to you especially given TSM's domestic history.
I have looked at there history and its not that great in my opinion if they bring back double lift that is the best they will get and they can literally win worlds I really do believe it
probably just have to work on a few issues here and there and there set but with how they are now
NOPE THEY LOST
I HOPE THEY PROVE ME WRONG BUT i DOUBT IT
III BAKURYU III 2 votesPeople also have to look at the 2016 TSM like this.
TSM and other NA teams but mostly TSM didn't stream and was on a tight schedule to constantly improve.
The steaming factor hurt TSM as a team because that's most of the team's revenue as well as for the players.
The tight schedule was something that the TSM members sacrificed to possibly win or in their own words " at least come in 4th"( the sem-finals) was their goal. All that work and ending at 3-3 groups eliminated, I just don't see TSM or any NA team really putting in that same amount of effort knowing it's going on 7 years and NA still hasn't looked good at Worlds as well as it was demoralizing at the end of the day.
D-Lift is a great player and arguably in my opinion in the top 20 greatest League players of all time but he's a feast or famine type of player. He's always been "selfish" or team focused around him but it hasn't really produced to the level that his teammates would give him.
2015 Summer D-Lift was great but looking at the NA competition there wasn't any
TSM - Was a 45 min team that did nothing all game and was the most passive team more so than Jin Air Green Wings if you can believe that!
C9 - Was still recovering from the 2015 Spring Split and loss of Hai for the first half of the seaosn.
So the D-Lift first NA Championship was meh.
2016 Summer D-Lift was really good as well as TSM and sorry Bjergsen but D-Lift should have won the MVP in my opinion. The problem with TSM 2016 Summer was they were so good that they barely ever lost, the problem is most times whenever a team just wins, wins, wins they tend to forget what to do if behind, or if the game gets to the late game(45+) mins.
TSM was awful when it came to the late game back in 2016 and if they weren't ahead in games around the 20 min mark they tend to look confused and most times lose.
2017 Worlds NA
Honestly, I have no clue the format for the 2017 Worlds but I do know NA has 1 team in a playoff best of 1 in which if they lose that 1 game they will be eliminated 1 out of 3 NA teams one and done.
NA seems to always start off hot at Worlds in which maybe the success gets to their heads who knows but always gets destroyed in the second half.
2014
TSM started off 2-1 but ended at 4-2. LMQ started off 2-0 but lost 4 straight games. Cloud 9 started off 2-0 got beat some 2-2 and eventually lost a tie-breaker game ending their group stage at 4-3 but moving on to QT's.
2015 Same story CLG 2-0 - 2-4. TSM 1-1 but ending at 1-5. C9 started off 3-0 but lost another tie-breaker ending their Worlds at 3-4.
2016 CLG, TSM, and C9 2-1 all ending at 3-3 in groups, C9 advanced solely and well it wasn't pretty.
Point is NA had their best chance at Winning or coming close to win in 2016 and I personally am not holding my breath.
NA is behind the 8 ball because of the new MSI/Worlds and it's due to NA's lack of production over the years at MSI and Worlds so it's now much harder on NA.
NA has had so many great leads in Groups and would still find ways to fail or mess it up when the playing field was even but now that the road for NA is much harder what's going to be the outcome ?
( I might be wrong need to check but let's say TSM did advance from Groups and beat out RNG and SSG was still the #1 Group D team, TSM would play on the top side of the bracket with potentially facing either Sk Telecom T1 or the Rox TIgers and TSM would NOT have made it past them sorry but in a Best OF- series and not a cheese BO1 NA would have gotten beat 3-0.
KLil1 votesIt's funny because his prediction was dead on the money. TSM lost in groups along with IMT and as of now it's looking like C9 will make it to quarters. TSM has never done well internationally and in my opinion, never will.
BigBellBrute3 votesIf these teams can't even finish the split ahead of TSM, how do they have a much better chance at worlds?
I expect Worlds to go like last year. The Koreans will dominate and one lucky team won't be in a group with the Koreans or won't draw the Koreans in the quarters.
Isedelica1 votesIf these teams can't even finish the split ahead of TSM, how do they have a much better chance at worlds?
I expect Worlds to go like last year. The Koreans will dominate and one lucky team won't be in a group with the Koreans or won't draw the Koreans in the quarters.
YEAH BUT THE OTHER AMERICAN TEAMS ALWAYS DO BETTER INTERNATIONALLY SO THEY IN MY OPINION HAVE A BETTER CHANCE BUT YOU ARE RIGHT KOREA DESTROYS
Miror B2 votesTitle is true but the post literally beckons me to downvote it. While TSM can't and probably won't win worlds unless Trump randomly decides that south koreans must be thoroughly expunged from this universe (which is a possiblility), that doesn't make them regionally bad. In a way, they're a lot like G2 right now: they'll probably win a bunch of splits/awards regionally but are entirely expected to not at all make it past the group stage of worlds unless other regions suffer massive collapses (ie: china 2015).
Isedelica1 votesTitle is true but the post literally beckons me to downvote it. While TSM can't and probably won't win worlds unless Trump randomly decides that south koreans must be thoroughly expunged from this universe (which is a possiblility), that doesn't make them regionally bad. In a way, they're a lot like G2 right now: they'll probably win a bunch of splits/awards regionally but are entirely expected to not at all make it past the group stage of worlds unless other regions suffer massive collapses (ie: china 2015).
true i mean all the major teams would have to play horrible at worlds just for a chance of them winning it
JavelinJoe2 votesIf C9, Flyquest, and even phoenix 1 were the better, than wouldn't one of them be in first place and not TSM? TSM might have had a rough split here and there, but they did place first with a 1 win lead over C9. Plus it is likely that DL might replace WT as starting ADC so there is another plus.
You also seem to forget how TSM usually is placed into the "group of death".
Isedelica1 votesIf C9, Flyquest, and even phoenix 1 were the better, than wouldn't one of them be in first place and not TSM? TSM might have had a rough split here and there, but they did place first with a 1 win lead over C9. Plus it is likely that DL might replace WT as starting ADC so there is another plus.
You also seem to forget how TSM usually is placed into the "group of death".
oh yes the group of death I think it is planned illuminati lol
Stars Shaper2 votesAre we like assuming that worlds isn't going to be chinese/korean again? Because we all know that, the rest is pure denial..
Isedelica1 votes[{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=EWXu1zL7,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-03-27T15:44:23.907+0000)
Are we like assuming that worlds isn't going to be chinese/korean again? Because we all know that, the rest is pure denial..
lol true [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
Stars Shaper1 votesI think that there should be a special Tier after Masters and calling it "Wannabe SKT", needs 9000k + 1 Rating.
III BAKURYU III 1 votesIt's going on like 7 years and NA hasn't really done much of anything anyways nor will they ever so it's not much of a surprise that NA will most likely not win Worlds.
Fowus1 votestsm wipes the floor domestically but shits the bed internationally
Darius Strada1 votesWhy are you getting downvoted when you're speaking the truth