2017 NA LCS Spring Split Award Winners

No disrespect to Sneaky, I just think Turtle belongs somewhere on the list instead of Sneaky.

Sneaky is a good player not arguing that nor am I arguing that he won't go down as one of the best ever. Sneaky is consistent no doubt but he's never been talked or mentioned as the best player in NA or at least in his position until just recently in the 2016 Summer Split. The 2016 Summer Split was also the same split where the " Sneaky memes" really started to pick up about his lane phase etc etc, the memes are gone but he's actually gotten worse this split than last split where the memes were catching fire.

Impact/Jensen also help carry C9. Without Impact C9 would most likely be easily a 6th seed, C9 wouldn't even make it to Playoffs, Worlds, Groups, QTs without Impact in 2016.
Sneaky also has his flaws as well, they just don't get exploited because C9 always protects him better than TSM does for Turtle.

I hate to be that guy, but please use punctuation. Also, I agree entirely. Just because turtle was on the better team doesn't mean he should be on the pro team. I think people get the latter half of the split too far ingrained into their heads, as Sneaky did a much better job than turtle for the first four or five weeks.

I don't mind being " corrected" because for one I don't mind having conversations and two well honestly I respect you above most, so I don't mind being corrected by someone that I hold in the greatest of respect.

2013 Turtle pretty much carried TSM with a top laner(Dyrus) who didn't ward for S$it and died constantly but he also pulled agro so there's that, so take it any way you want. A mid who honestly had to be one of the worst hyped, team leader in the LCS that I'v ever seen(Reg) who died constantly who is at around the 2nd all time as far as 28 games go with the most deaths. A jungler(Oddone) who only focused mid and only ganked for in my opinion the team's weakest player, and a support(X) that if you took him off TSM and well he hasn't been the same since his 2014 year from TSM.

2014 Spring - Bjergsen dominated that split but he also left for 6-8 games and TSM still went undefeated during that span without him.

2014 Summer - It was actually Turtle who carried TSM during the regular season and Playoffs not Bjergsen. Monte, the casters, and even the LCK teams, players and SKT's coach himself said that Turtle carried TSM and not BJergsen during the 2014 Summer Split + Playoffs. He led in Kills and overall Kills+ Assists and that was when Amazing and Bjergsen had their EU synergy and Bjergsen had all of the ganks going his way.

2015 Spring - TSM pretty much dominated not much else to talk about, the teams TSM was facing were all weak during that split.

2015 Summer - Turtle had a pretty bad split no doubt about that, he got caught out multiple times but can we say it was all Turtles' fault ?

1. Dyrus - Retired that same split, technically at Worlds but that was his last split and he didn't look good, he didn't look or played like he cared.
2. Santorin - If he isn't camping mid he doesn't do anything. The most passive jungler in NA LCS history, who again goes hand in hand with TSM logic " camp mid, camp mid, give blues 24/7, only gank mid"
3. Lustboy - Got caught out multiple times, I would argue he got caught out more so than Turtle did during that split.
4. Bjergsen - He didn't do anything that whole split(summer). Watch the TSM 2015 SUmmer split games and tell me all he did was push sidewaves constantly. He would be up like 150 CS over Turtle and especially Dyrus and he would get all the farm, ganks, pressure etc.

2016 Turtle on IMT was 50/50 he did great in the Spring but did fall off during the Summer. He led in Kills once again for his team during the Spring but with Reignover and Huni it's not a surprise.

Maybe not a All Team LCS but if there was a Comeback award he deserves it.
On my later post I did fold in the Sneaky > Turtle conversation, but lets not forget that Sneaky has had multiple split with " the greatest NA player ever" by some people Hai. A great champion pick ban Lemon. arguably the best NA Jungler Meteos, and a pretty good Top laner Balls, who historically dominated TSM's Top laner himself. A top 10 best league player ever Rush. Smoothie who will become the next Hai in his shotcalling. Jensen who's becoming and surpassing Bjergsen as we speak as far as talent goes.
A rookie player(Contractz) that was getting like 7 kills per game himself, not needing help, he would just kill off every enemy jungler.

I've always thought Doublelift was/is incredibly overrated. Sure he's arguably the best ADC in NA but he's never been on the level of any of the Korean ADCs, or FORGIVEN for that matter.

I still remember season 3 World Championships, when WT was widely considered the 3rd best ADC in the world, only behind Piglet and NJS's ADC(Pray?). Those were good days.

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Turtle isn't even in the top 5 adcs.. You can like the guy but that doesn't mean he deserves all pro nods b/c of it.

Or does he? See that's, that's the question you gotta ask yourself.

D-Lift played with a really bad if not "garbage" team as far as morale so any upside will make him look great compared to a player that everyone thinks gets carried by 1 player on an opposing team. The whole ballots, MVP, first team All LCS etc it's a joke honestly, look at last years' ballots and what players were picking as their All-LCS teams, they don't take it seriously as it's a huge joke to them to make excuses/ to create " dank memes" as NA loves to do.