How do i report skt for losing on purpose to fanactics at worlds on 10/19/2019?

BansAllFeeders·Oct 19, 2019·14 votes·5,656 views

they played recklessness which is never happened in an skt's game. Even after the game, the skt comm said: "now we don't have to play RNG anymore". This is very suspicous and possible evidence for disqualifying skt. I hope i am wrong, as long as an investigation is done to make sure SKT didn't try to wintrade. I don't think Fanactics was co-colluding with SKT. but SKT beneift from losing to fanactics because that would lower RNG's chances of making it out of groups and SKT won't have to face them in a possible best of 5 in the finals. After this game, I lost all respect for SKT and their players and coaches for looking like they threw the game on purpose just to avoid facing RNG in the possible best of 5 match. I read a lot of comments from reddit, weibo, youtube, and most agreed that SKT did look like they were trying to lose on purpose during this game. Riot, if you are listening, for the sake of competitive integrity, pls investigate SKT about this possible losing on purpose. If i am wrong, i will gladly apoligize but I would like to know lol esports are fair and no teams are trying to lose on purpose (aka scripted).

31 Comments

Sky CardisOct 19, 20194 votes

Its being tactically smart to get the best odds that are in your favor.

BansAllFeedersOct 20, 20191 votes

or you can call it wintrading and cheating and evidence for disqualify a team for violating the rules of competitive integrity? is that being "tactically smart" or "just plain cheating"?

Sky CardisOct 20, 20192 votes

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or you can call it wintrading and cheating and evidence for disqualify a team for violating the rules of competitive integrity? is that being "tactically smart" or "just plain cheating"?

Someones salty. In the end its all about who wins, save your "morality" for tumblr. Lose some battles win the War. Know how life works.

EDIT: P.S I don't care/pay attention to the "tournaments". I am at least speaking from an unbiased viewpoint. I don't care who wins or lose, just stating facts.

BansAllFeedersOct 20, 20191 votes

basically you admit that competitive integrity don't matter to you since you don't care who win or lose. therefore, you already lost the argument and provide nothing against my case. move on.

Sky CardisOct 20, 20191 votes

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basically you admit that competitive integrity don't matter to you since you don't care who win or lose. therefore, you already lost the argument and provide nothing against my case. move on.

Thats cute "I don't agree with you so I win" thing when they can't handle their view being pointless. Who wins wars? is it the "chivalrous" or those who does what needs to be done to win? You haven gave any case points expect "whaaa, they trying to get away with a win" your team biases shows how narrow minded you are my friend.

Winners are the ones who write history my friend, please...Read a history book. You'll see what I mean.

Edit Added: If you choose a side and stick firmly to it, rather than being neutral and seeing all sides, you can never see the bigger picture.

Thunderb1rdyOct 20, 20193 votes

the reason why it doesn't make any sense is because anyway skt could not predict who was going to win between fnc and rng. So if rng was the better team they would have qualified. The only thing the skt fnc game did was to give rng one chance and not two

MakJuiceOct 19, 20192 votes

Even after the game, the skt comm said: "now we don't have to play RNG anymore".

That makes no sense for your evidence.

They would have to be clairvoyant and assume that RNG losses to FNATIC later in the day to know that for sure. RNG started the day 2-1, losing to both SKT and Fnatic. If they win either of those games, they are playing Fnatic for a tie breaker. It was RNG's 2nd seed to lose, it was never SKT's to give.

If Fnatic loses to SKT and then gets destroyed by RNG, maybe you could go off that. Fnatic struggles with Clutch, destroys SKT, then gets destroyed by RNG. That would make sense. But thats not how it played out. Fnatic Struggled vs Clutch, got in a groove, and then destroyed both SKT and RNG....

BansAllFeedersOct 19, 20195 votes

maybe you didn't know this, but if SKT won against fanactics, then fanactics would had to beat rng in the last game AND beat rng in the tiebreaker match after that. Beating RNG 2 games in a row is a lot harder than beating them in just 1 game. If SKT lose on purpose to fanactics, then they lowered RNG's chances of making it out of groups, which means SKT have a higher chance of avoiding facing RNG in a possible best of 5 finals match. Do you understand now?

MakJuiceOct 19, 20191 votes

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maybe you didn't know this, but if SKT won against fanactics, then fanactics would had to beat rng in the last game AND beat rng in the tiebreaker match after that. Beating RNG 2 games in a row is a lot harder than beating them in just 1 game. If SKT lose on purpose to fanactics, then they lowered RNG's chances of making it out of groups, which means SKT have a higher chance of avoiding facing RNG in a possible best of 5 finals match. Do you understand now?

I completely understand that.

Do u also understand if RNG beats Fnatic, there is no tie breaker and RNG advances because 2-0 vs fnatic? Or if RNG beats SKT, they qualify for tie-breaker regardless if fnatic beats them today in the first game so RNG would have two games vs Fnatic?

SKT and RNG were a 1kgold difference in their game today at 34minutes, all the way up until the deciding team fight meaning they were very evenly matched today. Fnatic Completely destroyed SKT, and then curb stompped RNG a game later. Do you understand its safer to say that Fnatic just had a good day, than there is some giant conspiracy and SKT was willing to compromise 1st seed?

G2 beats griffin soundly, everyones saying they are going 6-0 then they get destroyed back to back games vs griffin..

China's #1 seed lost to J-team, let that sink in for a second..

Sometimes Great/Good teams get beat, and FNATIC is in by no means a bad team. You aren't giving credit where credit is due, and this is coming from someone who loves reading conspiracies.

BansAllFeedersOct 19, 20192 votes

because i saw how good SKT were against rng in the first game, that is why i believed SKT lost on purpose to fanactics with how recklessness they played, which a calculated and poised SKT team never do. SKT looked like they were trying to lose on purpose and that is why i want riot to investigate this to ensure competitive integrity. If i am wrong, i will glady apoligize, but what what i saw and the fact that after the game, the skt comm said: "now we don't have to play RNG anymore". It is hard to say SKT weren't trying to lose on purpose.

FlemmanOct 19, 20192 votes

Maybe you should see it another way.

SKT vs RNG beeing close in the first game don't mean they are good, it mean they are on the same level of play. Now if both team get destroyed the same way later that day by fnatic, maybe we can assume it's because today they weren't on fnatic level but one step lower

Also, if you really want to find someone who throw on purpose, the most obvious target isn't SKT, it's steak with the incredible bad draft for last game

MakJuiceOct 19, 20192 votes

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Maybe you should see it another way.

SKT vs RNG beeing close in the first game don't mean they are good, it mean they are on the same level of play. Now if both team get destroyed the same way later that day by fnatic, maybe we can assume it's because today they weren't on fnatic level but one step lower

Also, if you really want to find someone who throw on purpose, the most obvious target isn't SKT, it's steak with the incredible bad draft for last game

Exactly this. He's just not getting it. Hes only seeing what he wants to see.

MakJuiceOct 19, 20191 votes

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because i saw how good SKT were against rng in the first game, that is why i believed SKT lost on purpose to fanactics with how recklessness they played, which a calculated and poised SKT team never do. SKT looked like they were trying to lose on purpose and that is why i want riot to investigate this to ensure competitive integrity. If i am wrong, i will glady apoligize, but what what i saw and the fact that after the game, the skt comm said: "now we don't have to play RNG anymore". It is hard to say SKT weren't trying to lose on purpose.

If how good SKT was against RNG in the first game is your measuring stick, then you are contradicting yourself since RNG/SKT were very evenly matched in the first game, yet Fnatic Dismantled both of them.

Again, this is why I say your conspiracy would hold weight if RNG beats fnatic today. There would be no tie-breaker and the SKT loss would look suspect after watching Fnatic struggle vs Clutch, and then lose to RNG.

Again, your saying SKT and RNG was such a close game and SKT looked so good, which also means RNG looked so good seeing as it was only a 1k gold difference game... Yet Fnatic beats RNG..

So what you are saying is, your only giving Fnatic credit for beating RNG who gave SKT a run for their money, but not giving credit to them for soundly beating SKT as well?

Your conspiracy lacks soooo much substance to hold any weight at all.

BansAllFeedersOct 20, 20191 votes

except fanactics look like crap vs clutch and then all the sudden look better than the 4-0 SKT? try looking at it THAT WAY, but you only want to look it the way you want to look at it aka very non-objectively.

MakJuiceOct 20, 20191 votes

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except fanactics look like crap vs clutch and then all the sudden look better than the 4-0 SKT? try looking at it THAT WAY, but you only want to look it the way you want to look at it aka very non-objectively.

Why are you not looking at how they dismantled RNG too?

You are so hung up on Fnatic beating SKT, u keep forgetting RNG knew it was a lose and go home game and they still got utterly destroyed....

J team beat Fun Plus Phoenix... So by your logic, Fun Plus Phoenix threw a game to J-team then since FunPlus went on to win their group, while dropping a game to a team that has been eliminated?

StripedTowelOct 20, 20192 votes

I can kind of see both sides, but I would lean more towards SKT perhaps purposely, playing carelessly to give FNATIC the certain advancement out of groups, maybe they just really didn't care since they knew they were getting out first in groups no matter what.

Evidence: SKT and RNG were very evenly matched in both their games SKT beat FNATIC pretty convincingly their first game their together, but then FNATIC stomps SKT the second? Suspicious on the other side, FNATIC did beat RNG, but RNG did beat FNATIC in their first game, so they maybe are close in skill level.

I don't mean to say RNG would have advanced if not for SKT throwing their game, I think either RNG or FNATIC could have beaten the other with equal chance, but given what was said above, SKT struggled for their wins against RNG, but didn't seem to struggle in their win over FNATIC. I think there is more of a case for OP's statement, but there is no way to prove 100% so nothing we can really do.

TDGrayOct 21, 20191 votes

Let play a game. With two scenarios, both flipping coins. I put a dollar on the line.

Scenario one: you get my dollar if I flip a coin twice, and they land on heads both times. Scenario two: you get my dollar if I flip a coin once and it lands on heads.

Which would you take, knowing you risk nothing in either case? If it’s a fair coin, you just doubled your chance of winning my dollar by picking scenario 2. If you think it’s unfair (less than 50% chance of heads), you more than double your chance of winning with scenario 2.

It’s not proof that SKT throw, but the motivation behind it, if they did throw, definitely exists.

ChompyWulfOct 20, 20192 votes

All of this speculating is nonsense. This all assumes SKT knows exactly who is winning which match. At this point in the day, we knew they were guaranteed a birth into the Knockout round. They were 4-1 and had all the confidence in the world they would roll past CG to be 5-1, and no matter what at that record they are #1 seed. It could be that at this point they were having fun playing a game? Shocking! Maybe they were laughing at how loose they were playing because they knew they were far enough ahead of the group they were safe? Maybe they joked about not having to face RNG because their last game was Clutch for the day.

Just get over it. If you want to look at win trading, go watch Samsung Blue throwing against Samsung White back at Season 4 semifinals. That was suspect as hell.

StripedTowelOct 20, 20192 votes

Totally agree, the most likely scenario! They probably wouldn't have set themselves up as suspect for wintrading, but it would make complete sense for them to play carelessly because they were #1 seed no matter what.

TDGrayOct 21, 20192 votes

That is true that it could be all a coincidence and they only played loose because they knew they’d be number 1. But even then, it’s bad for competitive integrity. I don’t think anybody would believe that was the game SKT would play if they were still fighting for a spot in KOs. And it gave fnatic an unfair advantage as they got to play against a relaxed SKT, unlike RNG, who played against an all-out SKT.

ChompyWulfOct 21, 20191 votes

One could argue that if a team is playing relaxed they are more dangerous to face. If you feel tense and under pressure, it's way easier to spiral into more mistakes after making one, while if relaxed you can play more at ease despite a slip up.

All of this means nothing. It's one game out of six. RNG had their own set of games to win. They didn't. They lost for themselves.

TDGrayOct 21, 20192 votes

Sure. Two types of being relaxed (or it's a spectrum, doesn't matter): relaxed and focused, or relaxed and fucking around. I think it's pretty clear which one SKT was, which was the problem I have with the game as whole. I'm here to watch good matches, not a shit show. I get enough of that in my own games.

ChompyWulfOct 21, 20191 votes

The shit show was FNC vs CG. All that happened with SKT was they played a little reckless and FNC didn't screw up their lead two games in a row.

EllieGoulding HDOct 20, 20191 votes

Lol these redneck cheriffs are so amusing

tes200Oct 20, 20191 votes

SKT didn.t tried to let them win. If you look at their faces they are sad.

SaezioOct 21, 20191 votes

Faker playing to lose on purpose because he is scared of another team... Suuure faker is just that kind of person. And when you have won 3 worlds you totally are scared of RNG, 2nd seed and 0 worlds winner, with their 1 single way to play the game. -.-

Sky CardisOct 22, 20191 votes

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Faker playing to lose on purpose because he is scared of another team... Suuure faker is just that kind of person. And when you have won 3 worlds you totally are scared of RNG, 2nd seed and 0 worlds winner, with their 1 single way to play the game. -.- Don't ever assume you know someone you never met (even then never assume) Rather he was 'scared' or not is irrelevant. Besides anyone would be a full on fool to not take your adversaries with some sort of caution, its the prideful and arrogant that fall the hardest.

Rather he did it to boost odds of his team winning the championships by taking this one loss, or was just an honest loss and saying "oh well at least we don't have to deal with so and so". Both options put their team in better odds of winning it all.

RushThreeXOct 25, 20191 votes

You are so dumb to think this. First of all SKT doesn't even care about RNG. They already beat em twice in group stage you think they care if RNG makes it out? Second, if RNG wants to make it out of group they should have beaten Fnatic but they could'nt. Stop blabbering non sense. RNG was and always will be in a shadow of SKT.

BansAllFeedersOct 26, 20191 votes

today on 10/26/2019. FNC lost to FPX in the quarterfinal like I expected because they clearly are not better than RNG. Without SKT wintrading and helping them, FNC played like crap against FPX. I hope this proved that SKT lost on purpose against FNC just so SKT can avoid a possible best of 5 series in the finals against RNG. riot, if you are reading this, pls investigate SKT for wintrading and protect the competitive integrity of this game. A lot of people who saw this game know that SKT played very reckless, something the poised and patience SKT never do. SKT looked like they were trying to lose on purpose to hurt RNG's chance of getting out of groups because they wanted to avoid RNG in a possible finals. If i am wrong, i will apologize, but for the sake of fairness to RNG, pls investigate SKT for wintrading.

BansAllFeedersNov 3, 20191 votes

Today on 11/3/2019, SKT lost to G2 in the semi-final at worlds. Karma is a B**ch. I am not an G2 fan but I was happy when the wintrading SKT lost. RNG are smiling right now as faker the coward lose before the finals for the first time in his career. SKT has no honor and competitive integrity for losing to fanatics on purpose and an european team eliminates them. How fitting. Time to retire faker, you are not going to win another world title anymore. You won enough with stacked teams, but when you face an equally stacked team, you lose. In my eye, faker is not the GOAT. i dont know who is it, but the GOAT don't wintrade to avoid facing RNG in a possible finals best of 5.