asol bug clg vs fly quest.

MidoriWulf·Sep 9, 2017·4 votes·1,412 views

100% a bug. asol animation even makes it look like he wanted to get out of the flight animation. i wish i had a the clip but if u look at it he was locked into the travel. [cass-cry]

22 Comments

Miror BSep 9, 20172 votes

I find it hard to believe that this bug didn't occur AT ALL prior to this game. I find it hard to believe that someone like Huhi (a guy who is literally only known for playing this character) didn't know of the bug potentially occurring. The fact that CLG is probably going to win yet another series because of an ASOL bug somewhat infuriates me, and leaves kinda a different taste on the character where teams will either be forced to ban it or risk having clg abuse a bug to turn the series around.

dakm102Sep 9, 20173 votes

meanwhile when FLY literally don't have a timer which is a much more uncommon bug "uhhhh here is the timer just play through no big deal right?"

BreakuSep 9, 20171 votes

"Well it spawns in 16 seconds" is not a good enough answer for me.

That's not enough time to start playing around it.

13900 EssenceSep 11, 20171 votes

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meanwhile when FLY literally don't have a timer which is a much more uncommon bug "uhhhh here is the timer just play through no big deal right?"

Only certain members of Fly had no timer, all they had to do was ask a teammate over comms. Riot also gave them the time as of when they paused, and once the objective was taken the timer reset.

GeminiRuneSep 9, 20172 votes

I get where you're going with that. But even if known, he wouldn't deliberately pick that at the intent to exploit that. What pro does that nowadays? Heck you could just pick Mordekaiser game after game if you want to throw a bunch of "Rito Plz" messages.

Miror BSep 9, 20172 votes

Mordy sees a higher playrate, is less realistic to be used midlane (as he struggles against the very common control mages), and would be an instant red flag should someone be wanting to implement this strategy over time. Barring Asol, who else fits this criteria?

GeminiRuneSep 9, 20172 votes

I'm not even talking about standard level. You promptly state you find it hard for Huhi to have not known this to be a factor. If that's the case, why pick it? Would you seriously assume a pro to use a champion to deliberately exploit a bug? Because that's what I got from at least that bit.

To the mention of Morde, I would say the same seeing as he has various damage related issues that could rise in both Live and T-Realm. Playrates and numbers clearly matter little to Riot anyway unless there's enough of an exposure to the issue. And usually that exposure seems to happen on the competitive level. Nonetheless it was extremely situational.

Miror BSep 9, 20172 votes

I would assume that's the case, only because literally everyone does it. A famous criminal once said "you're only guilty if you get caught". Considering success is literally the only metric of quality in all forms of competition (whether it be actual sports like football/hockey/baseball, or video games like this), why wouldn't pros exploit stuff if it gets them W's? Unless there's 100% direct proof of them exploiting it, they'll always get away with it (rito rarely ever directly punishes players unless they're involved in hardcore boosting or toxicity stuff) and even if they do the massive reward for exploitation (essentially having the ability to "remake" a game anytime they want to) is well worth the punish.

GeminiRuneSep 9, 20172 votes

I'm sorry but that just does not apply to every single pro across any spectrum. Yes there are people who will want to be underhanded and want the win despite what occurs: FGC a common example where a player's stick could malfunction and the choice comes down to "take the round" or "run it back." But if I were to believe every pro player in any video game to be deceptive to their reputation, I would more than likely not be interested in any form of eSports.

In League's case, plug and play this exact scenario to the likes of SKT versus JAG in which SKT is on the ASol bug end of it. Would Faker then be the bad guy? Even TSM vs X: Would it be Bjergsen? If you honestly think you would feel the same as you did for Huhi, then we can dissolve this discussion right now.

Miror BSep 9, 20172 votes

Yeah, this is where you're kinda missing the point in all of this. Good players will always resort to off-handed tactics because great players exist and can genuinely beat them in a fair environment. It's why weaker LCS teams are constantly meta-bending (flyquest themselves being a great example of that in spring as they had somewhere in the ballpark of 16 off-meta or off-role character picks), and why people are legitimately surprised when the best teams do any of that stuff. I'm not saying that TSM or SKT would resort to any of that stuff, as they're both better than that. What I am saying is that I would not be surprised to find the bug occuring a few times in Huhi's match history, as this isn't the first time in which CLG has rapidly turned around a dying series after an asol bug caused a re-negg.

GeminiRuneSep 10, 20172 votes

I don't think we get each other's points in that case. I don't see any point of arguing it either. And clearly by my own downvotes I'm in no good place myself to form a suitable discussion that's relatively balanced, but that's completely unrelated.

Like I said at the start, I get where you're going with it but I just can't fully back you up on that.

13900 EssenceSep 11, 20171 votes

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I find it hard to believe that this bug didn't occur AT ALL prior to this game. I find it hard to believe that someone like Huhi (a guy who is literally only known for playing this character) didn't know of the bug potentially occurring. The fact that CLG is probably going to win yet another series because of an ASOL bug somewhat infuriates me, and leaves kinda a different taste on the character where teams will either be forced to ban it or risk having clg abuse a bug to turn the series around.

Banshees veil was reworked this season and Huhi barely played him this split because it is banned in at least 80% of CLG's games.

Also, THEY WERE IN THE LEAD WHEN THE BUG OCCURRED, THEY HAD NO REASON TO EVEN ATTEMPT TO RECREATE IT. I swear to fuck 90% of you people didn't even watch the game, but just started rioting about it when you found it on Reddit afterwards.

The Asol bugs that happened before negatively impacted CLG, forcing a remake and banning out Huhi's best champion.

dakm102Sep 9, 20172 votes

My bigger issue here is how CLG is given a chronobreak and a lot of time/options of what to do. meanwhile when FLY's players have a bug and they just tell them what they need to know and say "deal with it". I get it isnt the same as causing a death but it just feels cheap when they gave the chrono to CLG but pretty much nothing to Flyquest

MaRinPlaysGarenSep 9, 20171 votes

I don´t even question if it was a bug or not but I got a different problem with this.... I don´t like how you can take advantage of ASOL bugs like this. If you are cronobreakking the game just because of ASOL you could actually get a slight mental advamtage. Also you could just not report the bug if it helps your team. You could just pick ASOL just to hope there´s a bug so you can dodge out of stupid stuff. I find this is not actually fair Just my opinion though

MaRinPlaysGarenSep 9, 20171 votes

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I don´t even question if it was a bug or not but I got a different problem with this.... I don´t like how you can take advantage of ASOL bugs like this. If you are cronobreakking the game just because of ASOL you could actually get a slight mental advamtage. Also you could just not report the bug if it helps your team. You could just pick ASOL just to hope there´s a bug so you can dodge out of stupid stuff. I find this is not actually fair Just my opinion though

I know that´s very unlikely for a team to think like that but you could do the following.. You master ASOL to play him during gauntlet and find out what bugs there are. Then you do your best to trigger the bugs and hope for riot to disable ASOL for worlds so CLG is missing a powerpick. If I was a player I would actually consider this because ASOL is a strong pick

BreakuSep 9, 20171 votes

Chronobreaking there was totally nonsense. This isn't a rare bug.

I feel like both teams should have to agree to chronobreak rather than full remake. IE; CLG can request chronobreak and FLY could say no - do a remake instead.

DradenSep 9, 20171 votes

I gotta agree. This bug could have potentially happened previously but since it didn't negatively affect clg (or even help them) they are not going to stop the game. The moment it does then it's a big deal.

The questions should be: is this a game breaking. If so, disable the champ and remake the game. If not then just deal with it, you picked the champ, and as a pro should know the potential consequences.

That's a huge turning point in the game, and clg will never been see as deserving any results of the gauntlet this year.

DradenSep 10, 20171 votes

Honestly is the more interesting part. If huhi did realize the bug happened, why did it take his death for the pause, if he's smashing the button and it's not working then the pause should have been immediately.

There is no way this hasn't happened before, and if you know of an existing bug, then pick a champ with the knowledge that you can call foul and get back a bad play, that's an exploit.

AnastaeciaSep 10, 20171 votes

I'm just a silver and it looked like he was DCing...just the way he kept going perfectly straight while the rest of the team is retreating. Just looked odd.

Late For TeaSep 10, 20171 votes

I love how all the salty Flyquest fans in this thread know exactly what all the "common" Asol bugs are, and who does and doesn't know about these bugs.

_Huhi: "Using Asol's E will lock me in the animation and I have no way to cancel it. This is a groundbreaking exploit that will let me win any game". _ Some people are just too dense if they actually believe that.

I also love how they cry for a remake, saying that is the fairest solution, even though the chronobreak was exactly invented for these type of occasions. The death occured due to a bug. They rewind 5 seconds, right up to when the bug occured. Problem solved. What is the problem here? But yes, random players know better than Riot's official referees.

CLG was winning the match when the bug occured, and they crushed FLY during the other 2 games they won. FLY shouldn't even have been in the gauntlet to begin with, they did decent in spring, but were garbage in summer.

Stars ShaperSep 11, 20171 votes

I think this just calls for a Worldbreaker Aurelion Sol skin even more.

13900 EssenceSep 11, 20171 votes

"teams could find out the bugs and use them in LCS"

Wtf are you stupid or were you just not watching the game?

CLG had 0 reason to WANT to chronobreak, they just gained a massive lead and were about to set up for baron. They got a reason when the bug occured and huhi died because of it. It only went back to what, like a minute before it happened? Nothing changed.