Worlds 2017 Draw Show results

Riot·Sep 12, 2017·2 votes·107,131 views

The twenty-four teams participating in Worlds 2017 have now officially been sorted into their groups for both the Play-In and the Group Stage.

Here are the results for the Worlds 2017 Play-In

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Group A

Team WE (LPL)
Gambit (LCL)
Lyon Gaming (LLN)

Group B

Cloud9 (NA LCS)
Team oNe Esports (CBLoL)
Dire Wolves (OPL)

Group C

Fnatic (EU LCS)
Young Generation (GPL)
Kaos Latin Gamers (CLS)

Group D

Hong Kong Attitude (LMS)
1907 Fenerbahçe (TCL)
Rampage (LJL)

Now, just a reminder, the teams who progress out of the Play-In stage will be drawn into Groups at the conclusion of the Play-In.

Here are the results for the Worlds 2017 Group Stage

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Group A

Edward Gaming (LPL)
SK Telecom T1 (LCK)
ahq e-Sports Club (LMS)
TBD

Group B

Longzhu Gaming (LCK)
Immortals (NA LCS)
Gigabyte Marines (GPL)
TBD

Group C

G2 Esports (EU LCS)
Samsung Galaxy (LCK)
Royal Never Give Up (LPL)
TBD

Group D

Flash Wolves (LMS)
Misfits (EU LCS)
TSM (NA LCS)
TBD

The action kicks off on September 23rd.

142 Comments

TrollFan01Sep 12, 201724 votes

TSM has a great group. They could even take 1st.

SciFi ScrivenerSep 12, 201711 votes

TSM won't play a Korean team until knock out round, can't ask for an easier group than that.

TrollFan01Sep 12, 201716 votes

Everyone wants the no Koreans group.

woodvsmurphSep 12, 201711 votes

Actually, I think the best bet would be a group with one Korean team and 2 other weak teams. This way you have a good chance to make it to knockout round while still getting some early practice vs Korean team in actual stage environment - not just scrims. But yeah, I think a bit different from most people. And you are correct as to what most people want.

13 SnakesSep 13, 20174 votes

TSM has a chance to get first in their pod, and if they do, more than likely that means no Korean team in the quarters. The winner of their group has the best bet to get to the semi's as anyone outside of Korea.

AhriSiBAESep 12, 20172 votes

Literally the H2K treatment. Also G2 got the TSM special (SSG & RNG, though RNG is a different team now).

woodvsmurphSep 12, 20176 votes

Now we'll see if they can pull off the same thing as H2K last year. Win until you meet a Korean team at least. I'm sure this will fan the NA>/<EU debate.

AdrenilynSep 12, 20177 votes

NA>EU for the past 3 years. Thinking there is any debate is trivial. EU has not been much competition since xPeke left

AhriSiBAESep 15, 20171 votes

Frankly based on the teams they have to play, it'd be an upset if they didn't make it out of groups this year. Also I think rift rivals put down the NA vs EU rivalry quite a lot... the lowest rank NA team was about even with the top EU teams and TSM just obliterated... G2 wasn't playing well then, but frankly EU has been pretty bad lately and NA has grown a lot this split.

woodvsmurphSep 16, 20171 votes

Yeah, but at worlds it always seems to be a different story. Like don't get me wrong - I fully argue had lpl and na teams had opposite gauntlets to reach finals in s4, samsung would have faced c9 or tsm in finals instead of knocking them out in quarter finals. EU would never admit that though. But last year, tsm and clg BOTH should have made quarterfinals easily. Yet the both choke. I saw that happening to clg after their week 1 performance, while analysts still said they'd win out in week 2. Tsm? Just more excuses. Tsm at international events other than worlds? Usually good. Tsm at worlds? Been underperforming ever since s4 where they were a finals quality team. Maybe their coach should tell them it's MSI?

Also, Misfits didn't play in the Na Eu rivalry if I'm not mistaken - and they came out of nowhere in playoffs to obliterate some "good" Eu teams. So who knows how good they actually are? If it were G2 instead of Misfits, I'd say with more certainty tsm should make it, but Misfits is more of an unknown. Did they look so amazing because it's Eu, or because they are that good? Plus sometimes teams just stack up better against another team and do better than stats or any other normal indicator would suggest. It's the "gut check" rating - that you can't quantify but it tells you something unexpected is going to happen. Not saying that IS going to happen - just that this is something to consider.

AhriSiBAESep 22, 20171 votes

I wouldn't say TSM should've made it out of groups... I for one and probably others thought they had around a 1/3 chance to not make it along with SSG and RNG, both of whom were powerhouses. TSM was only "supposed to" make it out last year if you were playing into NA hype, which is not analysis.

Maybe misfits are going to be super strong, and I could definitely see it happening, but unless they're truly a top tier team, TSM "should" make it out of groups 2nd seed to WE assuming everything goes to plan, which as we all know, is something best of 1's tend to not conduce. All the same, last year many thought TSM was even with SSG and RNG, but this year they're actually expected to be better than misfits and flash wolves. Here's to misfits((and hopefully even flash wolves) trying to prove me wrong, but that's the expectation.

Also, I've always really liked misfits' potential and am hoping that even if they don't perform, that they use this as a growing experience.

woodvsmurphSep 24, 20171 votes

100% tsm should have made quarter finals last year - but they played like crap. It's not "na is weak" or any of those lies. All casters and analysts thought so going into the tourney. I personally don't buy into their analyses as much as most people and lend more credence to the eye test/gut check. And I still thought and knew they SHOULD have made it. They just never showed up to play. As an example of where I differ from buying into the hype or following the common logic - I knew (not 60/40 guessed; 100% guaranteed) anx would win out over clg after first seeing them play in week 1 at worlds. Everyone else said it's a fluke - clg will be 2nd seed without a doubt - I said bs. You see - what analysts and most ordinary people like you or I fail to account for is how a team will match up against the others in their group. Like g2 or tsm - both are more meta focused. Both play more similar macro games than say... fnatic. Thus a team faring well against g2 in EU would fare well against tsm likely. Even if they statistically are weaker across the board on paper. The match will be closer than stats would have us believe. Classic example? Just look at h2k. They were supposed to be the team in EU finals - challenging g2 for the crown - but they got destroyed. Why? They are too rigid a team. They don't adapt on the fly when other teams do the unexpected and they aren't usually decisive enough to come up with an alternate strategy to trade objectives with such an opponent, get an advantage in such a trade and force the enemy to start dancing to their tune. An example of a team that did exactly what I said h2k has to learn how to do? Look at c9 vs direwolves game 2. C9 was losing, but saw an opening to pressure their opponents into doing what c9 wanted to do, won a fight, and took tempo control right back when they'd been down a huge sum of gold.

If misfits keep their head, they have the skill to make it to knockout round no problem. They seem flexible in their macro - able to take control of the tempo, able to play reactionary when needed and minimize loss/trade objectives/kills, and take control of the game back from an enemy team who has the advantage when an opening is presented to them.

ArulumayaSep 12, 20175 votes

Flash Wolves will body them

TrollFan01Sep 12, 201717 votes

Not with Doublelift

ShadowmereSep 13, 20171 votes

Flash Wolves beat SKT at MSI 2017. I think FW will be 1st in Group D for the Group Stage.

AudioAdrenalynnSep 13, 20173 votes

But Flash Wolves can only beat SKT, they're the Korean Killers xD. TSM beat FW at MSI this year

SciFi ScrivenerSep 12, 201711 votes

C9 should be able to get into the group phase. TSM looks to have a manageable group with a good chance to make it to the knock out phase this year. Group A is going to be fun to watch. IMT #feelsbadman makes it to worlds, gets put in same group as Longzhu Gaming and GAM.

Masdog123Sep 12, 201710 votes

C9 should make it but either group they would get put in is going to be a death group it's hard to say which one might be easier but I think C would be a little easier then A

Miror BSep 12, 20178 votes

I'd slightly disagree on that only because group A looks far weaker as a whole. While c does have g2 (the team who is ridiculously happy that the tournament isn't bo1 single elim), it also has RNG and SSG who skillwise just seem better than them at their respective lanes. Group A has a far weaker SKT (potentially the weakest iteration to make it to worlds), an AHQ team who will almost assuredly go 0-6, and an EDG team who should match very well into c9. Ultimately, A looks more favorable than C despite SKT being known for doing decent stuff at worlds.

TrollFan01Sep 12, 20179 votes

G2 has TSM's luck from last year

RetroFire7Sep 12, 20173 votes

After this year SKT needs to steal Khan from LZ

Miror BSep 13, 20172 votes

I'm actually under the assumption they'll make a push for smeb and try to create another "superteam". They'll let one of their junglers (probably blank) go, keep the rest of their roster unless they get some stupid outside offers, and continue on from there.

SciFi ScrivenerSep 12, 20172 votes

I agree completely. Playing at their best, C9 might be able to get 2nd in group C. Group A, because SKT went in as a number 2, will be real hard.

I FK AFKSep 12, 20172 votes

You seriously think that C9>EDG or RNG?. I dont think they are even close. The only possible way for C9 to make it out of group would be impact. Letme and Mouse are the clear weak point in their team.

SciFi ScrivenerSep 12, 20173 votes

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I view C9 = RNG, if Impact plays at the top of his ability. I think Contracz needs to step up his game from recent play to be more like the rookie of the split contractz.

Group C is their best chance to move on, but that does not mean group C is easy at all. G2 is not a joke, even though RR exposed G2 for being weak against NA teams.

Best OBC NASep 12, 20174 votes

C9=RNG? You live in a dream boy

AdrenilynSep 12, 20175 votes

If C9 shows up to play.. Jensen>Xiahou, Impact>Letme, Contractz>MLXG BY FAR (since MLXG is just a snowball oriented player, he is garbage from behind) Smoothie=Ming and I'd give the nod to Uzi>Sneaky, but not by much. Jensen just needs to show up and accelerate his team. He has the skills, but never shows them on the World Stage. CALLING YOU OUT JENSEN. PROVE YOUR JUST AS GOOD AS BJERG. Stats don't mean much when it comes to the dubyah

AhriSiBAESep 12, 20173 votes

C9 won't make it out of groups.... unless they get group A and EDG decides to suck....

SciFi ScrivenerSep 12, 20172 votes

You think RNG is better than EDG? Interesting.

GeminiRuneSep 12, 20173 votes

I honestly called Group B that the "Group of Incredible Miracles" as I watched it. Two orgs cut from cloth of a sloppy Spring with 7th place finishes and straight to worlds from there. Add that with GAM whose pretty obvious of their rep and regardless of whom slots in from the Play In Round, that's already a story in their right (especially if it's HKA). I don't think IMT is too much of a feel bad scenario; it would be if the red flag called WE winds up there for a freak reason. On the plus side, that boons TSM because no WE.

Basically if you're a NA fan, someone's taking a harder bullet with C9.

DomermacSep 12, 20173 votes

When is the world championship tab being changed to this year on lolesports?

XHoxhaGSep 12, 20173 votes

Jatt said after the group draws that the TSM from 2016 looked stronger than this year. I completely disagree with that statement, I think TSM have prepared themselves diligently by sacrificing games to practice team comps that they knew they were scrapy with at best. With that being said, on paper TSM doesn't look as good as they did last year but in reality, they worked on diversity in terms of team comp and play style without relying on individual skill from their roster. IMO, TSM is gonna make to semi's. Note I could be terribly wrong in my predictions but its this gut feeling that I have.

AhriSiBAESep 12, 20172 votes

It would actually be a huge upset if TSM don't make it out this year. Last year it was expected, but this year if WE isn't in their group it'd be a double upset.... so they should win.

landontyral459Sep 12, 20174 votes

WE is most likely making to groups. If they do then Group D is where they will end up. Look at the teams already in Group D. A LMS, NA, and EU team. FNC, is EU, C9 is NA, and HKA is LMS. The Chinese WE is the only team that can fit into Group D.

I FK AFKSep 14, 20172 votes

The only ways are WE got knocked out in play in(not likely to happen), or any teams upsets HKA, and if TSM is even luckier, WE drawn to B and whoever upsets HKA, the wildcard team drawn to D..AND if TSM successfully get 1st seed in group(kinda likely), and all the other LCK teams dominate their group and get 1st seed, TSM will play non LCK teams.. Semis actually LEGIT, but do require a lot of luck and themselves not to chock.

I FK AFKSep 12, 20172 votes

TBH I agree with you, the stats showed that TSM might be worse, but the meta should fit them well, bio and hauntzer have some experience on big stages, hauntzer and sven on tank champs are much safer. If bjer and double play like they should, they are actually in good shape, the only concern I have is sven will get crush by Karsa or Condi(if WE gets in as pool 3 team in D).

Clorox BIeachSep 13, 20171 votes

Mlxg is also pretty good

13 SnakesSep 13, 20171 votes

If Sven is going up against Mlxg, that is gravy, That means they got out of Groups and are not playing against a Korean team.

AsianEquasianSep 13, 20172 votes

People always underestimate Maple and over hype Bjerg

AdrenilynSep 12, 20171 votes

I'm thinking Finals. This is the year we make it to Finals with TSM. Bjerg, Svenskeren wombo combo, Hauntzer is just a menace now up top that can lane with the best of them then DLift and Bio are meshing together like the good ol days of Rush Hour. Even though I feel DLift has lost a step on being that hard carry, "I'm Gonna Solo The Entire Team" mentality. Bio is an amazing Support and I bet his Rakan is banned 100% for them at worlds. Priceless. Bio makes DLift that team player now. Not that crap from CLG where it was protect the Doublelift and win. I believe they are far and beyond what they were last year, and imho there expectations are not like last year at worlds. Last year it was Finals or bust. This year will be interesting. CAN'T WAIT. (DROOLING)

Clorox BIeachSep 13, 20173 votes

Lol what? Is this a troll? The games against IMT were pretty close just that IMT couldnt close out games and throwing their leads. I highly doubt they make the finals, if anything they will make semis if they dont face any korean team in quarters.

MasziiSep 13, 20172 votes

If WE joins the group they will be quarters max.

I FK AFKSep 12, 20173 votes

This is what I think: For group A in play in, they are the strongest team, GMB WE and LYN are all big names in their region, it is unlucky for all 3 teams, they will have real challenge in the first round. Group B and C, C9 and FNC looks like by far the favor team, specially FNC. Group D is likely to be a major region team is going to get upsets, FB and RPG were dominating in Rift Rivals, HKA was performing pretty bad in LMS in regular season, but they went really well in gauntlets like SSG and made to world, group D overall has the closest level and hardest to predict. For Group stage, assume all major region win the play-ins, Group A is exciting SKT and EDG likely to be the two team to knock out stage, but the pool 3 could be FNC or C9 that will really mess up EDG's chances, EDG might still able to go to knock out, but it would not be easy, AHQ has the worst luck in the group draw today, they never beat SKT, and only beat EDG once in team history. Group B looks clearer if we only look at results, but macro games and styles should be extremely fun to watch, the pool 3 team likely gonna be WE FNC or HKA, if its not WE in this group, the battle of second place is incredibly close, but LZ should absolutely dominates this group, I would say LZ has the best luck in the group draw today. Group C would be group of death to me, specially G2, they have to overcome what TSM had last year, pool 3 will be HKA or C9, but I don't think it matters, SSG and RNG looks like the favorites, and G2 look like they gonna chock again in international stage, but this time they do have a much harder group, it can be an excuse. Group D is where real NA excitements are, TSM facing much easier teams, FW are on down hills and they are very close to TSM in skill levels, MSF just like SPY last year, as long as u don't underestimate them and take seriously, MSF shouldn't be any problem, but pool 3 matters in this group, likely be HKA or WE, if WE is in this group, they might ruined TSM a bit, but still I do believe TSM can get out of group as 2nd at least, with HKA, just play them like MSF, shouldn't be a big problem, and TSM I would say they have the second best luck today. In NA's view to me: TSM is likely to make out of groups, IMT will need some luck to prevent WE in pool 3 and I do think they have a good chance to out of group as well. For C9, getting out of play in is easy, but they are only gonna place in A or C, with LCK+LPL groups are hard, I do not think C9 really have any chances, group C is absolutely no chance, group A still has a bit cause EDG chocked once a while in international games like G2, but just less harder chocks.

TrollFan01Sep 12, 20172 votes

If all the major region teams make it through then Group D is the ONLY group WE can go into. Group D already has a LMS, NA, and EU teams so CN is the only option.