Cloud 9 Season 6

Alsef·Jan 10, 2016·2 votes·1,413 views

How does everyone think they will do

32 Comments

Earl EulrichJan 10, 20162 votes

NA: top 3, maybe even 1st, depending on how much synergy TSM develops Internationally: time will tell, wouldn´t be surprised if they´re not stronger than they have been in their prime.

YCitizenSnipsYJan 10, 20161 votes

Until they get rid of incarnation/jensen i think they will always look worse than they did in the past. The dude is just not good and really holding that team back. If they had a mid laner that could actually win lane with out junglers having to babysit they would be pretty good. I see Rush having the same issue as Meteos had with the constant baby sitting clashing with his play style.

AlsefJan 10, 20162 votes

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Until they get rid of incarnation/jensen i think they will always look worse than they did in the past. The dude is just not good and really holding that team back. If they had a mid laner that could actually win lane with out junglers having to babysit they would be pretty good. I see Rush having the same issue as Meteos had with the constant baby sitting clashing with his play style.

Incarnati0n is actually looking good now tho I can see Rush having problems tho

YCitizenSnipsYJan 10, 20162 votes

I guess we will have to disagree, he had practice time for a month and lost to Ryu bad who was only playing with his team for 3 days . For all the hate Hai got i don't think I ever saw him consistently under perform the way Jensen does. I honestly believe that C9 was better off with putting Hai back in mid when he decided to comeback and at least play out one more season with the original line up, but i get that all parties weren't in favor of that.

Just my opinion but C9 has never looked the same since they got Jensen, and i just don't think they will be great again with him in the lineup.

KinjishiJan 10, 20161 votes

Hai is only there on a temp. basis though until BunnyFuFuu gets up to speed. However, the question is how long will that take?

The Bíg TicketJan 10, 20162 votes

Rofl what? Incarnati0n is atleast twice as good of a laner than Hai ever was.

YCitizenSnipsYJan 10, 20161 votes

It funny you say that because I don't seem to remember Hai loosing lane 10 straight games in a split. I also never recall seeing Hai playing Zed and never using his ult.

But your right incarnation is a much better laner, thats why they went from an NA finalist to almost regulated with him. Lol your really defending a guy that was so bad that the person he was supposed to be REPLACING had to come back to save the team he destroyed.

The Bíg TicketJan 10, 20162 votes

Hai actually got destroyed in lane by everyone rofl...I doubt you watched anything of Season 3 or Season 4. Incarnati0n had a bad first half of the split, that's true but he completely picked it up after that and was a huge part of C9's miracle push for Worlds. At Worlds he was their best player aswell.

YCitizenSnipsYJan 10, 20161 votes

So that's why when Hai was in the midlane they were a top tier team in NA and when he was switched for Incarnation they were almost regulated. You bring up worlds performances, go look at what Hai did for C9 in season 4 during the group stage compared to what incarnation did. There is a reason C9 got out of groups with Hai in the mid lane and didn't with Incarnation.

Face it Incarnation is completely overrated. He was supposed to be some mechanical player who is a god on assassins and his most memorable performance on an assassin was the Zed game he doesn't even ult. He wouldn't be favored to win any mid lane match up against anyone relevant even in NA. There is not a single top tier team in the west who's goal is to make it to worlds that wants him on their roster.

And you still haven't answered me on how Incarnation can be considered better than Hai when he was supposed to be Hai's replacement but it was Hai who even got that team to where they were.

The Bíg TicketJan 11, 20162 votes

They weren't top tier because of Hai's laning rofl...tell me, did you watch Cloud9 in Season 3 and 4? Dude regularly lost lane, he was always known for having bad mechanics.

C9 got ouf groups in Season 4 because Alliance lost to Kabum lol.

Hai is an exceptional shotcaller and playmaker, one of the most (and only) creative players on the NA server. That is how he used to lead C9 during their first splits and thats what kind of spirit he gave them when he returned as a jungler, creative and often unexpected plays (and picks). Incarnati0n would outlane Hai 10 out of 10 times, there is a reason why he was the number 1 on the EUW server for all of Season 4 with a ridiculous winrate in Soloq..he is extrememly gifted mechanically.

YCitizenSnipsYJan 11, 20161 votes

So gifted that he regularly lost to NA midlaners and almost ruined a top tier team by himself. Almost every loss during the regular split can be attributed to his under performance in midlane. And mechanically gifted on who, the only champions he looked worth a damn on was Azir, which everybody plays, and Veigar who was just strong at the time. He also wasn't even the best Veigar player at worlds, Kuro played it better in the series vs KT.

Nothing else he has played even looked good, I've dauntlessly brought up the Zed game. There is also the game against CLG where he plays Orianna and build Rylias over Zhonya's even though he is being focused every team fight.

Incarnation just isn't good. I get that he is EU and you are EU and you have to defend him but there is a reason no EU team was eager to pick him up and he had to come to NA, where he still under performed. Make up all the excuses and over rate him all you like but here is a reason C9 took a nose dive the minute they put him in the roster.

Once C9 gets a real midlaner who can be self sufficient, and not a burden unless given heavy resources by the team, they will not be better then they were in the past. There is a reason why him in the mid lane have made two of the best junglers in the region look bad. Meteos actually left C9, which I doubt he would have with Hai still there. And Rush looses to a H2k lineup that was only together 3 days becasue Incarnation got trashed in the second and third game.

The Bíg TicketJan 11, 20162 votes

Lol...you don't even watch any games do you?

He is the best Orianna in NA...but whatever, you made it obvious you never watched Cloud9 in Season 3 and 4 so why are you talking about something you have no idea about?

Incarnati0n was permabanned for flaming and drophacking on the EUW server btw...maybe that is why no one wanted him?

YCitizenSnipsYJan 11, 20161 votes

Forgiven has been in trouble for flaming in EU as well, They certainly didn't give him up. Maybe becasue he is actually talented and worth keeping.

Best Orianna in NA. That CLG match is enough evidence to disprove that joke. Poor positioning and item paths. Both times he gets caught out and killed are the things that swing that game in CLG's favor.

He has proved he is overrated, he looked mediocre in NA and lost to teams like NME and T8. I belive they also lost to TDK when they still had goldenglue in mid as well. A top tier team doesn't get completely destroyed with one roster change without that player being the reason for it. Look at OG did they lose any momentum and uncharacteristically drop games when switching from Peke to PoE.

I've said it before an I will say it again. C9 was successful with Hai in the mid lane and a dumpster fire with Incarnation. And the only reason that team even attended worlds and didn't get regulated is becasue Hai, who Incarnation was supposed to be replacing, returned to save a team he single handily destroyed.

im tiltJan 12, 20161 votes

for starters, your both wrong, hai was not fucking known for bad mechanics, he didnt get destroyed in every lane, only until after the injury that prevented him from going to 2014 allstars did his mechanics fall off and people wanted a replacement.

and then incarnati0n/jensen, is sure as hell not garbage he didnt lose 10 games in a row, just c9 was known for having the same roster and taking out hai and putting him in probably shook things up hard

YCitizenSnipsYJan 12, 20161 votes

I didn't say he lost 10 games in a row, I said he lost lane badly 10 times in a row. If my memory is correct he didn't win lane against another mid laner until week 7 our of a 9 week split.

Also explain to me since the other guy couldn't how incarnation isn't bad. When Hai was in the mid lane they were a top team, with incarnation the were C9th. And since incarnation was supposed to be Hai's replacement how is it not even more embarrassing that the team was only good again when Hai returned to save the team.

Look incarnation just isn't good, period. He single handily destroyed one of the best teams in a region that is supposed to be weaker than his own. He wasn't put on some bottom tier regulation team, but that's what he turned them into. He was gifted the position on one of the best teams in a region and managed to make them worse. He is the steelback of midlane holding a top tier team back.

im tiltJan 12, 20161 votes

i did explain....c9 was known for teamwork and never changing roster, when the roster changed, it affected all players and again....hai was legendary for his shotcalling, metoes is meh at it which is why incarnati0n did bad, and it isnt that he lost lane cuz he is garb, i remember first game on c9, tsm vs c9, bjerg vs him, he was playing ap kog vs viktor, viktor will ofc win while kog farms up, he farmed up and he still won lol and if i remember correctly, meteos stepped down because of his lackluster shot calling...and they also beat EVERYONE in the worlds regional qualifier, and if they didnt tilt second day of groups at world they wouldve swept their group which had FNC in it

YCitizenSnipsYJan 13, 20162 votes

Lol that game against TSM Incarnation was down 100 cs. He was a burdent to his team but they managed to carry him becasue TSM wouldn't try to push any objectives.And notice how thats the only example you can bring up, thats becasue all the other times he got destroyed in lane they lost.

Hell even the second half of your post you basically agree with me. You only name achievements that C9 accomplished with Hai back with the team. So follow my thinking here. Meteos is a better jungler that Hai, but C9 is successful with Hai on the line up. So why not Meteos in the jungle and Hai in the mid lane. I don't know about you but that sounds like a pretty good line up to me.

Face it C9 was better without Incarnation and owe there downfall to him. He was over hyped for his solo que rank, which correct me if I'm wrong, he only achieved when he was drop hacking.

The dude hasn't ever delivered on anything he was supposed to do. His assassins look terrible, and he looses mid lane more often than wins it. Hell even the only two champs he looked good on were Veigar who was strong during the worlds patch, and Azir who everyone plays and are countless Azir players that are better.

im tiltJan 13, 20161 votes

tbh i only brought those up cause im not really a c9 fan so cant remember anything else, nothing left to say

Ale non è maleJan 10, 20161 votes

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I see Rush having the same issue as Meteos had with the constant baby sitting clashing with his play style.

Uh? Jensen doesn't require costant baby sitting, but doesn't want either to wait 20 minutes of farming before receiving a gank and his jungler not leaving even a camp to farm The issue was much more on Meteos side than on jensen side, and the subsequent performance with Hai - that wasn't constantly babysitting - is the proof of that

I honestly believe that C9 was better off with putting Hai back in mid when he decided to comeback

Your idea about Hai mid is idiotic, they started to look kinda bad in S5 Spring with their historic line-up was trashed by TSM for the first time after 2 seasons where C9 was beating TSM (S3 C9 being completely better than TSM, S4 C9 sweeping TSM in Spring and doing well at All-Star - with Link substituting for Hai - , TSM winning very close series in S4 Summer but C9 performing better at Worlds), and it turned out that it wasn't TSM to be very good in S5 Spring, but C9 bad with basically everyone but Sneaky being completely underwhelming (Balls, Hai, Lemon because of mechanical reasons, MEteos because his beloved farming style meta was completely useless in S5 (and S5 seemed dominant because how bad NA S5 Spring was, even worse than NA 5 Summer imho)

im tiltJan 12, 20161 votes

completely underwhelming (Balls, Hai, Lemon because of mechanical reasons, MEteos because his beloved farming style meta was completely useless in S5

if you want to blame meteos's underperforming on meta, let balls in on that too, in part of s3/s4 the ad tank top meta,(shyv,jax,trundle,renekton) he was a freaking god, then the meta shifted to more carry style ap top laners and he fell off, hai was never known for mechanics, it was always his legendary shotcalling, same with lemon, not known for mechanics but his theorycrafting is amazing

Ale non è maleJan 12, 20161 votes

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if you want to blame meteos's underperforming on meta, let balls in on that too, in part of s3/s4 the ad tank top meta,(shyv,jax,trundle,renekton) he was a freaking god, then the meta shifted to more carry style ap top laners and he fell off, hai was never known for mechanics, it was always his legendary shotcalling, same with lemon, not known for mechanics but his theorycrafting is amazing

Wrong. Balls in S3 was god tier for NA standards, but he sucked hard vs the best Eu top laners. At the time sOAZ won All-Stars 1vs1 competitionamong top laners and Eu also had kev1n, Wickd, darien, zorozero, even fredy, and also Dyrus at the time was beating him in NA Balls highest moments were in S4, on Rumble (Balls signature champions)/ Lulu/ Mao/Ryze/Kayle Top meta that was the worst meta for the Eu guys like sOAZ (that absolutely hated that meta and went from beast to sucker in 1 Split), Wickd that saw his bruiser not viable tilted till the Kabumming and the only decent top in Eu remained Fredy since the remaining great top of the previous gen were yet retired or on the way to decline, and Dyrus was yet starting to transition to S5 Dyrus

Hai and Lemon were never known for mechanics, but their mechanics greatly deteriorated from S4 to S5, Lemon decline being even much more evident than Hai's one (Link yet showed that Hai wasn't nothing special mechanically when he subbed for C9 at All-Stars and C9 got big results in All-Star group stage especially)

AlsefJan 10, 20161 votes

the one thing I have a problem with c9 is that look how many good teams there are in NA now

iamleburkJan 10, 20162 votes

I really don't think C9 will be doing bad at all. In fact there is a good chance they can be top 2 in the region... I think people are underrating how strong Rush, Sneaky and Incarnation are, paired with Hai's shot calling, that team can be extremely good with practice. Also i feel a lot of people are underrating Incarnation, he had a bad first split but he did quite well at worlds, even held his own against Febiven and Kuro and was shitting on Westdoor. Rush is probably the best jungler in NA at snowballing lanes, and now he can choose to snowball either mid or bot lane, with top lane being a solid performer (balls never feeds, just never carries). If i was them i would pick hyper snowbally mid laners with late game ADCs and a tank or juggernaut top lane. That way Rush snowballs mid lane and if that doesn't work out you have sneaky all farmed up and ready to go. Also you can always have Rush play carry because Balls will happily go tank. Or you can go late game scaling mid laners like Ryze, Gangplank, or Kassadin and have Rush camp mid to help them survive early.

Death by GlamourJan 10, 20161 votes

Na is going to be rough for alot of the teams.

One thing going for c9 though they have worked with each other for a while now some of these guys tsm for example have just been flung together.

Edit i still think team liqyid will be the dominant team this season.

TurquoiseYoshiJan 10, 20161 votes

Badly. They'll make playoffs, but won't get anywhere past that.

TheSequelsRBadJan 10, 20161 votes

And here we go! - The Joker.

TurquoiseYoshiJan 10, 20161 votes

Here we go again! - DMX

dakm102Jan 11, 20161 votes

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Here we go again! - DMX

this sounds soooo familiar. where was it................................. was it that gauntlet? im not sure but uhhhh yeah. I dont want to start this stuff again man but i will defend them until they get relegated and even then i probably will

TurquoiseYoshiJan 12, 20161 votes

Hey man, second time's a charm :^)

xJLx MCHammerJan 10, 20161 votes

Hard to say. If I'm were to compare them to last split NA LCS teams, i would say top 2. Right now, pretty much every team has new teammates, or it's a completely new team. I'd wager that they would be top 4 in NA this split. I think Rush is a perfect addition to their team but Hai being in a support lane is weird. I have a feeling he will hold Sneaky back.

Also, people forget a lot of the teams look really strong. The only teams that look weak are Renegades, and TL. The other team seem solid so far but we will see how they play it out

The Bíg TicketJan 10, 20161 votes

Should make the semifinals atleast.

Tornado of DOOMJan 12, 20161 votes

TSM/Immortals fan here, I think that C9 will do pretty well this split because Rush is fitting in with the teammates very nicely, and everyone else still have a lot of experience of playing with each other, while other teams are just starting to put their pieces together, I'll take TSM for example, Yellow only came like, a week ago (I forgot, please correct me) due to issues, but that doesn't leave them a lot of room to practice, while C9 has already played against other teams and had a month of practice already. IMO 5th at worst, 3rd-2nd at best. They can get 1st however, IF they cause some really major upsets with TSM, IMT, NRG, or even CLG. Best of luck to C9!