Future of SKT Huni, discussion

FB Ospraey·Aug 22, 2017·2 votes·3,485 views

Summed up. Huni's best options would be:

To stay on SKT
Move to EU for G2 or FNATIC
Move to NA for Team EnVyUs or Team SoloMid

Explained Area: Alright here is what I have to say about Huni. He was arguably one of the best players to change the game. But, his way of playing is outdated now and even he is forced to change how he plays. SKT Huni currently Subs with SKT Untara. Untara is a great tank player who can play some of the champions Huni likes as well. Untara with out a doubt will be the sole top laner to go to worlds with SKT, with Peanut/Blank as the extra member. This leaves Huni to be almost left behind. He would have to watch his team do things without him which no one really enjoys. Huni's spot on SKT is guaranteed to be non existent if he doesn't even get one game against longzhu this weekend. Now what I believe what Huni may decide on doing. Huni has the option to either stay on SKT to mess around or venture off to another team.

In LCK there are already 5 stand out top laners. Cuvee, Untara, Smeb, Khan and MaRin. This already makes up the top 5 teams in the LCK. If Huni were to join another squad he would truthfully wind up losing.

Now if the rumoured Huni to replace G2 Expect were to happen this would lead to Huni Stomping every team. Another EU squad Huni could join would be Fnatic. He would be able to mesh easily with rekkles and jesiz because of being on post teams with them. Cons of joining EU would be the lack of pay.

Let's talk about North America now. If Huni were to come back to NA all of the Immortals fans would have a small part of them to want him back. The problem is IMT Flame. Immortals have already created such a power house of a team with Flame, AnDa, Xmithie, Pobelter, Cody Sun, Olleh and Stunt. There is no way he could be brought back. There is also the conversation of putting Huni with Reignover again. But, there would be no possible way TL would let go of RO, or lose Mickey and Piglet for the Korea Bros to reunite. Although a Huni Dardoch combo would be pretty nasty with two heavy live and die players. Dig already have an amazing top laner. C9 have two, FlyQuest is a mess and I don't think Huni would pull a Turtle to play with friends. P1 have two imports. Echo Fox have looper. CLG would never let go of Darshan unless he personally retired. This would leave two teams left. NV and TSM. I would say, the chances of Huni being picked up by either of these teams aren't slim. NV Seraph is just an all in 1v1 player who can be replaced by Huni. Huni being teamed up with LiRa would not be remotely a bad combo either. Now for TSM. if Huni were to join TSM I would think he would be used like C9 Ray. Only playing game 1's and lower rated teams. TSM have already got Rallez on their substitute roster for a superstar adc like DL so why not get someone for Hauntzer.

32 Comments

dakm102Aug 22, 20172 votes

When people say Flyquest is a mess and then when you realize they could make it to worlds still

https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.klGB_zhB3UmoqNIgRrLJ2gEsCo&w=289&h=162&c=7&qlt=90&o=4&dpr=1.25&pid=1.7

BigBellBruteAug 23, 20172 votes

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When people say Flyquest is a mess and then when you realize they could make it to worlds still

https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.klGB_zhB3UmoqNIgRrLJ2gEsCo&w=289&h=162&c=7&qlt=90&o=4&dpr=1.25&pid=1.7

Face it though. They have to run through the entire gauntlet to do it. They're the lowest seed.

MurdercapAug 23, 20172 votes

Huni definitely would not move to tsm and i highly doubt he would go to EU again nor do i think EU could even pay him what he'd want

FB OspraeyAug 22, 20171 votes

I apologize for the longer post but, I would enjoy to share my opinion

l PRIDE lAug 22, 20171 votes

nice name, I would hope he gets to be played in SKT for worlds instead of Untara. IMO Huni is better

Yordle XayahAug 22, 20171 votes

kkOma doesn't like his wild hyper aggresive style, so they just play passive "I do what I'm told" Untara.

KinjishiAug 25, 20171 votes

lol, ya, Untara does what he is told. Technically, all the players should be. Essentially, Huni needs to be more like MaRin in 2015.

Yordle XayahAug 25, 20171 votes

I think the best player is that one that makes choices based on both a coach's instructions and his own knowledge of the game. That's why MaRin was so damn good, and light years better than Huni or Untara.

KinjishiAug 25, 20171 votes

100% agree. kkoma crafts players and helped MaRin get to that level. MaRin was so great that year. It would be fantastic to see him get to that level once again. On Afreeca, MaRin is great at times, then so so at others. Maybe he should return to SKT. shrug MaRin/Huni or MaRin/Untara

MysterQAug 22, 20171 votes

Huni to LPL.

Yordle XayahAug 22, 20171 votes

I'd love Huni back in FNC, but unless sOAZ decided to retire I don't think they'd replace him. The G2 thing seems rather plausible, but I think some LPL is gonna offer him a good amount of cash and have him be the sole Top Laner for a team and he'll be pretty happy there. I just don't want him to crash and burn ala Impact/Piglet (both ex SKT... huh)

ABlueQuakerAug 22, 20171 votes

This is a pretty stupid thread. Huni is still probably one of the Top 5 Top Laners in the world. He just needs a favourable meta. Untara will be SKT's go-to Top Lane until this happens because he can play low-income Top Lane Tanks reliably. There's nothing wrong with having dedicated subs for specific champion pools.

LegendmakerGXAug 22, 20171 votes

They have sub because they are money and Koma knows they would win the match if they place them in vsing a crap team. They usually sell the players contract off or release them so they gain profit, people think just because they are on SKT means they can win matches for the team but that hasn't been the case for MARIN/ that other SKT guy who went to EU that I forgot.

FB OspraeyAug 22, 20171 votes

NIP Profit, basically Huni is looking for a good contract. the kid likes money

LegendmakerGXAug 22, 20171 votes

NIP Profit was bad I think he is still doing bad now in NIP but Huni on the other hand has shown on 2 teams that he can show result even when they are a newly formed team like Fnatic/Immortals.

BigBellBruteAug 22, 20173 votes

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This is a pretty stupid thread. Huni is still probably one of the Top 5 Top Laners in the world. He just needs a favourable meta. Untara will be SKT's go-to Top Lane until this happens because he can play low-income Top Lane Tanks reliably. There's nothing wrong with having dedicated subs for specific champion pools.

If you don't have any versatility such that you require a "favorable meta" you aren't a top player. Sure everyone has better champs for them. But if something like a tank meta destroys you, well you need to learn. Huni is slumping Big time. Even worse than last Summer. I like to watch Huni. But he's not a top 5 caliber player at the moment. And it's not just the meta.

Miror BAug 22, 20171 votes

I "kinda" have to agree with this, but disagree on the notion that Huni isn't a top-5 player. On certain days, Huni can 1v9 hard carry games in any region, something only a couple dozen people can actively say. While this meta isn't the best one for him, he isn't entirely useless on tanks (earlier parts of summer showing that he can still play them quite decently if the enemy team doesn't hard-camp him like they've done for most of his games). Put him in any other region, and he'll probably go back to the same form that we've seen him in pre-LCK, as the junglers there rarely ever actively camp toplane unless it's their sole win condy and/or they have a really good player up there.

III BAKURYU III Aug 22, 20171 votes

G2 is a good fit for Huni as you pointed out. My guess will be FlyQuest, Turtle and Huni have played together before, Balls is in the same boat as Soaz(FNC), Darshan(CLG) nearing retirement. Hai could be an excellent shotcaller for Huni. Huni - Moon(hopefully replaced) - Hai - Wildturtle - Lemon What you think ?

Miror BAug 22, 20171 votes

That huni would never join flyquest under any circumstances? Don't get me wrong, Hai "could" be a decent shotcaller. The problem is that they lack talent to draw a guy like him over, meaning that it'd be a waste of time for him (at best he 1v9 carries games for them, something he could do on literally any other team). I'm also under the impression that if any of balls/lemon/hai should leave the team and/or retire, the other two will do so as well.

III BAKURYU III Aug 22, 20171 votes

True, Lemon and Balls do have brown noses after all, if Hai does indeed retire or leave.

Miror BAug 22, 20171 votes

For me, I can only really see Huni joining an EU team and literally nothing else after this split. SKT has had a weird habit of ditching their toplaners after the end of each season (marin, duke, impact) putting him "next in line" so to speak. Him joining an NA team is also a bit awkward as unless echo fox ditches looper (which I really hope they do just so we can see a looper/mata reuniting) or unless darshan decides to retire (which again, I really hope he does just so clg can rebuild from near scratch) there aren't any good fits for him. EU makes the most sense out of all of the options as he'll not only probably get a bunch of offers from their top teams (g2 being the most likely one, with misfits also being another possibility) but will also be in a region in which he can have an easy enough time dominating, allowing him to look like he's "returned to form".

FB OspraeyAug 22, 20171 votes

The thing is for me that Huni just needs a time machine to fast forward the league meta to make carry top lanes relevant again

KinjishiAug 25, 20171 votes

SKT doesn't ditch their toplaners - it is not always one side making the decision. Players also choose to explore other options (mainly make more money in NA/LPL) Duke, MaRin, Impact, Piglet, Bengi, and EasyHoon have all gone to other regions for more money.

EasyHoon, though, didn't want to play in Faker's shadow... though... he's only playing on an average LPL team now, so shrug. Maybe that is what Hoon wanted. Sky hasn't even played one pro game this year.

III BAKURYU III Aug 22, 20171 votes

I'm not sure on the whole residence thing so take what I say with a grain of salt; Looking at the possible western teams

1 out of 10 VIT/MM/NIP/ROC - Doubtful, very doubtful

2 out of 10 TSM - While most fans will "gasm" it makes 0 sense, Hauntzer is already established himself on TSM as a carry. IMT/DIG - Both already have strong tops that the teams have built around as is. SPY - Wunder is similar to Huni's style but it doesn't look like a good fit honestly.

3 out of 10 MFS - The name kinda fits, but Alphari is decent.
UOL/H2K - similar to TSM they too have established tops CLG - I would hate for Darshan to leave but the boot does fit, it could make CLG a dominate team. C9 - Replacing Impact/Ray would it really make sense with C9? They have more problems than just top as is, with players that have been there for 2 years as is.

5 out of 10 P1 - Too many imports as is, would have to rebuild in which will most likely leave Huni with a Laker less Kobe stage. EF- Would not work with Froggen's style.

7 out of 10 NV - Can Huni play 40 mins of passive play per game ? The team is already good early, they need a closer and a tank for Lira's carry jungle style. TL - Steve will pay for his contract(Paid by steve)

Real possibilities FNC - Same as CLG they too have an ageing top laner nearing retirement, but the ol' Fnatic reunion seems too obvious.

G2 - Are the heavy favorites and it makes sense, mainly thanks to MYE for pointing it out to me.

FQ - Will be my guess for a possible Huni landing.

WhiperSnapersAug 23, 20171 votes

Why would TSM be more likely to take him than the other NA teams when they've had success with Hauntzer recently? Wouldn't the other NA teams be more willing to replace their toplaners since the last time one of these (non-Hauntzer) toplaners won an NA split was over a year ago?

As we've seen in the past (Immortals 2016 Cough Cough) even if a team is strong with a particular line-up, if they don't end up taking 1st place, anyone on the roster is "up for elimination".

Ultimately the teams that end up in 3rd - 6th place for several splits in a row with the same roster are more likely to change a single member (as we saw with CLG Dardoch) than the teams that have won for those splits.

FB OspraeyAug 23, 20171 votes

so what I was trying to get at is the whole TSM trying to get a bigger roster, NA top lane talent is not very big so looking for a good free agent to sign on their roster would be smart. Think immortals. IMT signed AnDa and Stunt. two of the better free agents from na. they signed them for practice and so no other team can have them. So now if TSM were to take FA Huni during the off season, then no other team will be able to have him and Huni will be apart of the upgrade of Hauntzer

WhiperSnapersAug 23, 20171 votes

TSM picking up Huni and not using him as a starter sounds even less likely for several reasons:

Huni is on SKT... the most famous team in the history of the game. There is no way he would accept anything less than a starting position on any other team.
Even if he was somehow talked into taking a non-starter position, having been on SKT gives him so much leverage in negotiations that the price to recruit him (as anything other than a starter) would not be financially worth his contribution to the team.
Practice/Scrim teams are used to help prepare for specific playstyles. Huni has a very unique playstyle (which is the main reason why he shares his spot with untarra) and has been criticized in the past for not being able to play other styles (like tanks), so he probably wouldnt be the best choice for this type of team since you can't get better at playing against [insert playstyle] if your scrim partner isn't good at that playstyle.

Smart KittyAug 23, 20171 votes

Does TSM even have another import slot for Huni? I'm still not quite clear on the import rules and the whole exemption thing. If TSM can only have two imports playing, that means they'll either have to sit out Sven or Bjerg for Huni to play in a game, and I doubt they'll do either. Also, I think Hauntzer's playstyle suits TSM more than Huni's.

If we're looking at more realistic possibilities. For NA, he'd probably end up on NV, EF, or maybe FQ FQ could even get both him and reignover if reignover was leaving TL since they actually have both import slots. I know Echo fox already have Looper, but seeing as they've been using brandini over him, I imagine they'd be fine giving up Looper for Huni.

For Eu, I really only see G2 and maybe Misfits seeing as they have an extra slot w/o Kakao. I doubt he'd go to any of the other lower caliber teams unless he gambles on one of the new promoted teams.

I honestly think LPL is his best option if he's looking for a balance between money/skilled teammates. Since most of the top teams in NA/EU/LCK are already either stacked with other imports or have a better fitting (not better skill wise, but more fitting playstyle to the team) toplaner. He pratically has no competition in LPL, biggest problem would be communication probably.

Miror BAug 23, 20173 votes

From what I can understand they do as Bjerg is technically NA now. Highly doubt TSM would sign him though as I could very easily see a personality clash between him and DL and/or bjerg.

TortungaAug 26, 20171 votes

I don't even understand why Huni, and for that matter Peanut lately, are getting so much hate by fans, and getting benched by the coach so much. 90% of the losses with Huni and/or Peanut isn't their fault at all. Half of them it's a team-comps fault, with mainly faker on champions he just doesn't seem to do much on, like Galio, Kassadin, and Le-Blanc. The other Half are or Huni getting his ass camped, with peanut/blank not doing anything in return, or SKT's bot-lane losing 2v2 decisively.

And I don't think Huni's time is over in SKT. What the play-offs has showed so far (especially against KT and Longzu today) is that Untura cannot match the best top-laners, while Huni can. He doesn't seem to be very impactful in all the play-offs games so far. and has lost his lane more often then not. Huni just needs to wide his champion pool and improve his playstyle, especially from behind. But other then that he is better then Untura.

FB OspraeyAug 28, 20171 votes

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I don't even understand why Huni, and for that matter Peanut lately, are getting so much hate by fans, and getting benched by the coach so much. 90% of the losses with Huni and/or Peanut isn't their fault at all. Half of them it's a team-comps fault, with mainly faker on champions he just doesn't seem to do much on, like Galio, Kassadin, and Le-Blanc. The other Half are or Huni getting his ass camped, with peanut/blank not doing anything in return, or SKT's bot-lane losing 2v2 decisively.

And I don't think Huni's time is over in SKT. What the play-offs has showed so far (especially against KT and Longzu today) is that Untura cannot match the best top-laners, while Huni can. He doesn't seem to be very impactful in all the play-offs games so far. and has lost his lane more often then not. Huni just needs to wide his champion pool and improve his playstyle, especially from behind. But other then that he is better then Untura.

i like your comment. the thing is huni was once known for the biggest champion pool. but champions that used to be able to be played up there cannot be anymore. Huni used to play champions like hecarim with smite all the way to ap ekko. But, the only top lanes that get to see that light are ones untara can play without a gold lead. huni will either stomp a game or be unable to play, his inbetween don't exist

TortungaAug 29, 20171 votes

True true, he really seems a hit or miss player. But even then It wouldn't matter that much, if some other lane would win, with the help of the jungler. Huni doesn't often lose lane on his own, he just get's camped. A lot. He can go 0/5/0 if it would mean faker or blank is 5/0.

Anyway I would be somewhat surprised if they don't take him to Worlds to be honest. I don't think SKT has to fear anything from most teams, so that's a good way for Huni to get some experience on tanks against weaker opponents, while the only two teams that will be a challenge for SKT (LZ and Flash Wolves) both have carry orientated top laners, and for those games Untura just wouldn't be enough. (and most teams from other regions don't play around their top-laner so he shouldn't get camped as much as he get in LCK).