Worlds Top 20: Individual Lists from Deficio, Jatt, and Spawn

Riot·Sep 26, 2016·1 votes·22,898 views

Now that our comprehensive Top 20 list is out, take a peek at the un-comprehensive lists that led to it.

Our scoring was this: 1st place received 20 points, 2nd place received 19 points, and so on until 20th place received 1 point. The official Top 20 took the cumulative points from all three lists. And here are those lists (including the players who barely made their cuts):

Deficio:

Smeb
Faker
Deft
Clearlove
Peanut
Bang
GorillA
Bjergsen
Meiko
PraY
Uzi
Duke
Looper
Trick
Crown
Mithy
Mata
Zven
Doublelift
Impact
Maple
Karsa
Jensen
Ziv
Jankos

Jatt

Smeb
Faker
Deft
Clearlove
GorillA
Peanut
Bjergsen
Bang
Duke
Uzi
PraY
Meiko
Looper
Trick
Mata
Doublelift
Zven
Mithy
Crown
Karsa
Impact
Jensen
Maple
Ziv
MLXG

Spawn:

Smeb
Faker
Deft
Clearlove
Peanut
PraY
Bang
Bjergsen
Duke
GorillA
Uzi
Meiko
Looper
Trick
Mata
Zven
Karsa
Mithy
Doublelift
Maple
Impact
MLXG
Aphromoo
CuVee
Wolf

Be sure to check out the official Top 20 lists before tuning in on Thursday, September 29 to catch the start of the 2016 World Championship!

72 Comments

Andy GuoSep 26, 20168 votes

where is sneaky!?!? the guys has mad it to four straight worlds, none of these players have..... not even in the top 25?

Leon EtoileSep 26, 20161 votes

That's b/c NA is the weakest region. Also, Sneaky isn't a world class ADC. He's a great NA ADC though.

TerrorsReignSep 26, 20169 votes

As of this split NA is not the weakest region. I can say NA was the weakest in the past but not with recent player development and teams getting extremely better. I believe that to be EU. plus EU had the weirdest split games ever. only 2 matches is quite ridiculous.

Leon EtoileSep 27, 20161 votes

NA has never made semi's.

You are claiming NA is better but nothing has changed. Same teams winning in a watered down league.

woodvsmurphSep 28, 20161 votes

And by this logic: korea 1st, eu and lms tie 2nd, everyone else 3rd. Because everyone knows it is based off how many wolrd championships your region has won in the past and how many semi finals you have made. Wow it sounds so stupid when I put it that way. Oops, did I say that out loud?

Leon EtoileSep 28, 20161 votes

You don't get my logic at all.

NA hasn't changed as a League; why change expectations?

woodvsmurphSep 30, 20161 votes

Um yeah i get the only logic you can from your comments. You are clearly too emotional to analyze anything critically or see any viewpoint deviating in the slightest from yours. Also, CLG vs G2 game 1 worlds. I rest my case. You may begin eating your foot now sir.[slayer-jinx-wink]

Anakin The WeirdSep 28, 20162 votes

The only reason NA didn't make semis in 2014 was because TSM and Cloud9 ran into Samsung White and Samsung Blue in the Quarters, arguably 2 of the best 3 or 4 teams of all time. NA was at roughly the same power level as China that year, and Najin White Shield, the other Korean team. Had the Quarterfinals bracket been slightly different (or TSM not fucking up the game SK got Svenskeren back, which would have forced the tiebreaker with Royal Club) it could easily have been Samsung White vs NA in the finals instead of Royal Club.

Leon EtoileSep 28, 20162 votes

But it wasn't.

You can make all the hypotheticals you want; doesn't change reality.

NeoDeimosSep 29, 20161 votes

You don't get my logic at all.

That's because you aren't using logic. You are using results from the past, results from teams that have drastically different rosters from past seasons.

Using your logic, in the beginning of Season 5, GE/ROX Tigers was made up of a bunch of Korean also-rans, and thus would never amount to anything in that region. Less than 2 years later, Tigers are the favorites to win Season 6.

Just because something hasn't happened, does not mean that it cannot happen now.

Also, LMS is the worst region. Just because one team from that region had a hot streak 4 years ago does NOT mean that the region as a whole is better than others.

Basically, this game, and these teams, change so often that you can't reliably draw conclusions about the present using results from the "distant" past (i.e. prior to this year)

Leon EtoileSep 29, 20161 votes

Why would you expect different results from NA doing the same thing over and over?

You realize that is the definition of insanity.

NeoDeimosSep 29, 20161 votes

What you said makes absolutely no sense. What is NA doing over and over: Playing a full season? Appearing at Worlds?

Players change on a consistent basis. CLG has 2 different members compared to last season, C9 has 3 (2 if you don't count Meteos returning after a couple split hiatus), and TSM has 4 new members. What about teams bringing in new coaches, new researchers, new sports psychologists? Is that what you call doing the same thing over and over? /FailFish

Leon EtoileOct 9, 20161 votes

So, they have just achieved the same results unless c9 pulls out a miracle tomorrow ( I hope). The issue is the players are more concerned with being popular/memes then their craft vs the Eastern teams.

It's a cultural thing. It sucks and we can hope but it won't change until our players change what's important.

woodvsmurphSep 27, 20161 votes

Um... who lost their top worlds spot at msi? Na?... no that's right it was EU. Sorry I misread you saying EU is the weakest region or possibly lms. I guess I need some glasses.

Leon EtoileSep 27, 20161 votes

If you think MSI is going to have any impact on EU's performance; you are ignorant or insane. G2 had to use 2 players who knew they were kicked from the team. They weren't going to do anything.

woodvsmurphSep 28, 20162 votes

Why can't i be ignorant AND insane? Shaco

And i've seen G2 in summer split -- they don't impress me. I shot down people who bragged up TSM in the past, but I myself have to say that this season TSM should completely obliterate G2 if they were to play each other. Likewise, I'd put my money on C9 over G2. CLG would lose unless they have gotten back to their msi form yes, but that's still 2 NA teams that would beat the best team from EU. I didn't say EU was trash. I think G2 is decent, just not ready yet to beat teams who can outplay them individually as well as in teamfights. Splyce will probably do better at worlds than people expect -- they've got some decent talent and crisp teamwork when performing at their best. However that doesn't mean they're going to the quarter finals. If you think G2 or any other EU team can beat the best of China and LMS, then good for you. Personally I'd bet China over EU. And we saw a team that arguably wasn't nearly as good (at the time of msi) as TSM is now beat the best of China -- that team was CLG btw. So if MSI version of CLG could beat best of China and put up a respectable showing vs SKT and TSM now is better than MSI version of CLG then NA is clearly not weaker than EU.

AnchorOct 1, 20161 votes

Hey what's eu's record at worlds currently?

Leon EtoileOct 9, 20161 votes

Made it out of groups while NA hasn't.

LandreinOct 5, 20161 votes

I love going back to read articles after the week is over. My favorite part is "If you think MSI is going to have any impact on EU's performance; you are ignorant or insane." G2 then goes 0/3 including a right smashing at the hands of CLG. Please tell me--anyone--how this doesn't look exactly like MSI? For the Record, at the end of week 1, Europe is like 1/8. So, Leon Etoile, pray tell, at what point are we supposed to see how much better EU is than everyone else?

Leon EtoileOct 6, 20161 votes

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I love going back to read articles after the week is over. My favorite part is "If you think MSI is going to have any impact on EU's performance; you are ignorant or insane." G2 then goes 0/3 including a right smashing at the hands of CLG. Please tell me--anyone--how this doesn't look exactly like MSI? For the Record, at the end of week 1, Europe is like 1/8. So, Leon Etoile, pray tell, at what point are we supposed to see how much better EU is than everyone else?

Never said they were better than everyone else. That role still held by KR. Also, ANL is considered European by most of the world. Russia's culture is European and despite that geographically they are mostly in Asia. Also, Russian players would all be in EU LCS if they were allowed Visas.

Howdy SableOct 7, 20161 votes

NA gonna win worlds, EU not making it out of groups. You're stuck in the past, while we are in the present.

Leon EtoileOct 7, 20161 votes

That would be great except the NA part isn't happening. Korean overlords won't let it.

Leon EtoileOct 9, 20161 votes

TSM and CLG out... H2K made it out of groups..

Still hoping for C9 myself but Meteos will prevent them from going far

ChayWaySep 27, 20161 votes

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Leon EtoileSep 28, 20161 votes

Yea, have you seen NA?

Blaine Warren MDOct 1, 20161 votes

Apparently you haven't watched any NA, this split

Leon EtoileOct 9, 20161 votes

Apparently I have a better read on CLG and TSM than you do.

JhinfamySep 26, 20161 votes

yea feels bad man, as far as I know, he's the only player to make it to four straight worlds

Shen DaddySep 26, 20164 votes

Dyrus and Yellowstar

Dark MaximusSep 26, 20162 votes

Jankos, Aphromoo, and Ziv Top 25 on some of these list and Sneaky can't get top 25 c'mon man. NA is a better region this year than LMS and EU.

The LexerSep 27, 20161 votes

Dyrus and YellowStar made it to all 5 worlds up until this year

Andy GuoSep 27, 20161 votes

umm they only made it to four and sneaky made it four straight now which is the most for current players

Panman18Sep 27, 20162 votes

Dyrus and Yellowstar did indeed make it to Worlds 5 times. Dyrus with TSM 5 times and Yellowstar with AAA, SK, FNC 3 times. I dunno what else to say other than look it up?

NeoDeimosSep 29, 20161 votes

Dyrus with TSM 5 times ... I dunno what else to say other than look it up?

Dyrus only made it with TSM 4 times, he didn't join them until midway through Season 2. He was on Epik in Season 1, TSM from 2-5.

NeoDeimosSep 29, 20161 votes

At least Dyrus had the courtesy to break his streak by retiring. YellowStar proved that he just doesn't belong in the pro scene anymore by showing poor play all season long, in both NA and EU.

woodvsmurphSep 27, 20161 votes

They weren't allowed to pick him because it would ruin the underdog story when c9 crushes.

BrainCancerSep 26, 20166 votes

Scarra
Dexter
Tyler1
Locodoco
Hotshot Nidalee GG
TIP Rush
Barack Obama
Rick Harrison
TSM Wukong
Dyrus
Phreak
Yellowstar (fat)
Yellowstar (fit)
TSM Jatt
Bantu
Kim Jung Un
Anonymous
Teemo
Reginald
Harambe

QuartzGolemSep 27, 20161 votes

You have Reginald on there twice. However, I do agree with fat Yellowstar being better than thin.

yoshi9999Sep 26, 20163 votes

Poor Taiwan, So underrated

TerrorsReignSep 26, 20161 votes

Considering Faker losses to Jensen and Bjerg solo...I don't think he should have gotten anywhere near 1st place. Not saying he isn't good but in the past 2 years he has fallen off and the competition has gotten a lot better. Faker is Definitely faking the #1 spot. XD

Percy1803Sep 26, 20163 votes

Wow losses one game solo against both and faker worse? Idk im from NA and these lists are pretty accurate man you must not watch lck at all. Also sneaky def not top 20.

MonarchOfCoolSep 26, 20161 votes

If it was Top 30 or something, I think we'd see many more NA player appearances. Impact for sure, but I don't think Sneaky would make it, he's just been like a gel mold of something that WAS a carbon copy of Pray. A Utility ADC who doesn't particularly favor playing the big, Utility ADC's, so he plays lots of Jhin and Lucian, who have enough team play elements to get by with their own unique hard carry elements (Lucian is a good split-pusher, Jhin has a versatile ultimate for stopping sieges, engaging, and picking off stragglers). Pray enjoys playing the Utility ADC's, so he practices it more, and is really good at it.

Ayra888Sep 27, 20161 votes

How do you base a practice result in a players ability? as far as I know Faker is not perfect like all of you, we all stamp in our games, plus a guy likes to have fun and troll his games sometimes, but in the games that matters he sure did proved himself time and time again he is if not the greatest player of league of legends, nobody has reached that record yet internationally

woodvsmurphSep 27, 20162 votes

Toyz when they won worlds. I believe he stomped harder than I've seen Faker stomp without Faker getting a ton more help from teammates to do so. Sadly no time machine or we could watch Toyz in his prime vs Faker in his prime.

MazariamontiSep 28, 20161 votes

Sejuani I stamp in all of my games

Imperial ZllSep 28, 20161 votes

These rankings are stupid and these so call analysts should be ashamed of themselves to even come up these baseless rankings. For example, what do you based on putting someone number 2 instead of number 1 or 3 or even 10. Each team use different strategies so some players benefit more than others, it doesn't make that player better than someone at the same position in other teams. We have to look at players laning power, team fight power, split pushing, warding, zone control, clutch plays, solo plays, playmaking ability, wave control, synergy plays, objective controls etc. also non in game attributes such as leadership, in game communication, shotcalling ability, etc. Lastly you gotta tell us what season are you ranking? After you give a number to each of these attributes then you can fairly rank the players. I would love to see a support player get rank 1 lol.

woodvsmurphSep 28, 20161 votes

It's not that they are claiming 1v1 smeb will beat everyone on this list and faker will beat everyone except smeb. It's about who they expect to be able to best carry their team and have the biggest impact in each game. Sure you could argue that if given enough support and farm by the team Biofrost could carry harder than anyone on this list (I say this in jest to make a point); but that's not what the list is about. If you don't like it, you don't have to look at it. Unless someone has peeled your eyelids back and restrained you so you have to stare at a computer screen displaying the list. In which case, I'm sorry.

Imperial ZllSep 28, 20161 votes

No im not forced to look at the list, but if they put out an article and have a comment section, I think anyone can express their opinion. Anyway, my point is that even if this list is a carry potential ranking or whatever ranking, you still need some in depth metrics to measure it. You can't just go by "feels", that's just unfair to the players that played hard and didn't even make it to the list, you gotta be able to back it up with numbers.

woodvsmurphSep 30, 20161 votes

I get what you are saying. They did look at performance stats: win vs loss, csd @ 10, 20, etc. when considering all this. Listing all these individual differences for why #4 is better than #5 would be too tedious and most people would complain or make fun of this. I'm sure you could find the guys who made the list on twitter or something and ask for the detailed specifics. And you are completely RIGHT that these must play a factor. I'm also a firm believer though that there are things beyond these stats that make a huge difference but cannot be quantified or measured. A team expected to win may easily pick a comp that looks like it should wreck on paper, analysts can all say how much it will crush due to the players' superior skill and teamwork only to have the comp get completely obliterated by the comp of their inferior opponents. I've called stuff like this before when all the desk analysts and twitter posts were saying otherwise -- before the game even began. I don't always get it right, but sometimes you just "know" a team is going to lose. This kind of gut feeling about a team, composition, or player has to play a role in determining which is better too. If paper and stats is all we needed, then Kabum never beat Alliance. So again, yes stats are as important as you say and were definitely used. But gut feelings played a part too. It's not possible to do anything other than use both of these as a human.