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10 thoughts going into Finals

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10 THOUGHTS
GOING INTO FINALS

Two teams will try to roost in Beijing’s Bird’s Nest on Saturday. SK telecom T1 will once again take on Samsung Galaxy – it’s a rematch of the 2016 World Championship Finals that went the distance. Here are my final 10 thoughts of the season – thanks for reading along!

SKT’s dominanceA lot of people are sick of SKT winning all of the time. I am not one of those people. Every single championship they string together only grows their legend. To me, the ultimate dream as a fan — or an anti-fan — isn’t just wanting SKT to lose. It’s wanting them to lose to my favorite team — no matter how unlikely that may be. But the bigger SKT grow, the bigger it will be when they fall. Why would you want someone else’s team to take that glory? And in traditional sports, it’s the dynasties that people remember. We will talk about SKT for years to come. TPA is already a distant memory and SSW is going that way, too. But Faker and SKT? You will remember them. Especially if they complete the three-peat here. There is a strange (and maybe sickening) assurance in seeing SKT at Worlds every year. They have slowly become a villain of sorts. It is easy to root against Goliath. I eagerly await the day David appears.

Faker’s checklist in the Semis against RNG[ X ] Pick Galio [ X ] Pick Galio [ X ] Pick Galio [ X ] Pick Galio [ X ] Pick Galio

SKT keys to the game1. Huni needs to avoid ganks to be a proper split threat late game 2. Have a healthy set of engage options to break SSG’s strangle-you-to-death strategy 3. Bang and Wolf have to hold up 2v2 against Ruler and CoreJJ

SSG keys to the game1. Ambition needs to exploit SKT’s early game lulls and get one of his side lanes ahead 2. Crown has to continue to be active around the map and not get sucked into a 1v1 duel against Faker 3. Don’t be suckered into a rock’em sock’em pace and instead play methodically

Korea vs. Korea… again!While I find SKT’s dominance entertaining, the all-Korean final is maybe not the most compelling narrative. But it will give us the highest level of League of Legends – here are two teams who’ve maintained and honed their excellence for the last two years. It’s a rematch. It went to five games last year. And SKT look, again, vulnerable. But it’s also the culmination of a larger picture – the last Korean team to be eliminated by a non-Korean team was Najin Shield in 2014. I don’t think the future is all doom and gloom, though. It starts with…

Understanding “The Gap”Yes, ultimately Korea prevailed again at Worlds. But never in a fashion like this. SKT was on the brink of elimination four times this tournament. Twice to Europe’s 2nd seed and twice to China’s 2nd seed. They also struggled against the LMS’ 2nd seed. Over and over, SKT have scraped by at Worlds 2017. Even SSG went 0-2 against RNG in group play. Korean teams have been dominant because they have to be to survive in a league with Faker. That they are now being challenged means the level of talent is equalizing. Teams aren’t being out-skilled individually anymore. This tournament boded especially well for China and Europe. And NA… well, we have faith, and some day, that will count for something. Probably.

NA LCS UniversityOne cool thing about this Finals is that SKT top laner Huni and SSG support CoreJJ are both alumni of the NA LCS. After thorough research, I’ve concluded this means NA wins no matter what happens. NA imports foreign talent → teaches them fiesta ways → they return home → now NA is the top exporter of talent. :thinkingguymeme:

China’s resurgenceI want to take a moment to say it’s a damn shame we won’t have a Chinese team in the Finals. The Bird’s Nest is one of the most iconic stadiums in China, and the Chinese fans have been absolutely thunderous for the home teams. It really would have been incredible to have a Chinese representative there. But, perhaps, we were a year too early. Royal Never Give Up looked great – considering they went 2-0 against Samsung in group play, they may have been the second best team at the tournament when this is all said and done. Remember, this was their first year together as five, and they symbolized a return to reliance on domestic talent for China. WE showed off a consistent, team-oriented style, and they will only continue to improve. And finally, Edward Gaming introduced ADC iBoy to the world – he had a short but memorable debut. The region has infrastructure in place now, and they easily have the largest talent pool to draw from. It’s only a matter of time before NA tries to import Chinese players (again) – and I expect China to be the first region to overtake Korea at Worlds.

This has been the best Worlds yetI think I said this last year, too (wow what a shill!), but damn if this World Championship wasn’t great. We had drama every single week. So if you are disappointed with the Finals matchup, then at least remember that it’s just as much about the journey as the destination. The two SKT Best of 5s we got already are some of the best sets we’ve ever gotten at Worlds. Combine that with Fnatic’s miracle run, NA memes, GAM shenanigans, and China’s resurgence, and you’ll see we’ve had a ton of storylines and a ton of drama. And yet, after all the action and the ups and the downs, it’s still down to SK telecom T1 and Samsung Galaxy. Again. I don’t know how much longer SKT can thwart dreams, but it is awe-inspiring. Now we will see if Samsung Galaxy can get revenge or if they’ll cement themselves as just another page in the ongoing story of SKT’s legend.

Jordan Faker RulesAt times this tournament, Faker has absolutely lifted his team onto his back. He’s unbannable and at times unkillable. Dude just doesn’t make many mistakes. So I theorycrafted some ideas as to how SSG could limit him, since you can’t stop him. 1. Literally 2v1 mid lane. Not just a lot of ganks – rotate your bot lane to mid and stick a wave clear champion bottom or something. 2. Gank him every time you level up. Never gank for anyone else. Use Flash on cooldown to get his, too. 3. Ban Galio. What do you think? How would you limit Faker?

MATCH PREVIEW
FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 3, APPROXIMATELY MIDNIGHT PST
SAMSUNG GALAXY
LCK
SKT TELECOM T1
LCK

I spent a lot of time up there talking about SKT. SKT this and SKT that. But let’s conduct an experiment and remove the name plates from the two teams. Which team has looked more dominant at Worlds 2017? Surely you would say SSG. And which one would you say had a tougher road? Again, surely you would say SSG. The problem, though, is I’ve been conducting this experiment at every stage. And at every stage, SKT has still prevailed. SKT has relied heavily on Faker, yes, but the meta doesn’t favor having a carry in the mid lane. SKT has been best, generally, when one of their side lanes has stepped up. Huni, in particular, has been feast or famine this tournament. But when he’s on, I think he’s been one of the best players overall – and at times, he’s contributed to the SKT victory as much, if not more-so, than Faker. But CuVee has been just as dominant and arguably so in the face of greater adversity. A lot of attention has been given to the SSG top laner, and yet he has still been magnificent. That’s the key matchup for me – which top laner can get going? If CuVee holds Huni, as he’s expected to, then the onus will be on Bang and Wolf to step up and take over a game. That’s something that hasn’t happened much this tournament. SSG have earned their keep by slowly choking teams out. SKT won’t flip a deficit against them so easily. So if SSG secures early advantages against SKT – as every other team in the tournament has done – it is much harder to envision them failing to close out. Whether or not SKT has shored up their early game will be the tale of the series.

Kien Lam is a content producer for Lolesports. You can find more awful great jokes and commentary on his Twitter @meanmisterkien.

83 Comments

ChompyWulf12 votes

To borrow a quote from A Knight's Tale... "How would you beat him?" "With a stick. While he's asleep."

slinkyslinker2 votes

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Orga Itsuka2 votes

In 5 years i have never upvoted a single comment, until i saw this.

Guárdían8 votes

SKT vs SSG again... how exciting...

01BigCheese8 votes

It's very exciting! To see last years teams compete, with SSG pushing to finally win the world! Exciting indeed. And if the quarterfinals and semifinals were any sign, this final will be a bang for sure! I wish it was TSM vs SKT with TSM winning but that did not happen. Perhaps next time!

This stupidity about SKT being boring is so tiresome! Make a more intelligent criticism if you are going to criticize them. It's like saying, "Messi is so boring, getting the ball and kicking it into a goal all the time. How boring!" If the other team is arrogant or ignore the obvious to allow Galio pick, why not? To not pick Galio would be stupid. What I see in SKT is extremely talented individuals who know how to work together! When you look at how they "react" and work together in crazy situations they had to play this year, you start to appreciate how much effort and time they invest in order to play at their level. So appreciate SKT while they are around. Enjoy the finals friends!

AriCei2 votes

"This stupidity about SKT being boring is so tiresome! Make a more intelligent criticism if you are going to criticize them." That's a bit of a rude way to discount someone else's opinion out of hand, but ok.

In fairness, I didn't lay out my justifications for this point of view in this particular comment, but I have in others in this thread. I should also state that I'm not against the players or the team, they are one of my favourites.

But here:

They put the most mechanically gifted player on Galio every single game, and he's not the most interesting champ to watch. You could say that the other teams should just ban it, but this just proves there's no proper in game answer. It's an overtuned unkillable champ before you even get items, and it still has hilarious waveclear. And it's a fine strategy to abuse this to win, and because SKT is smart, they do. That is smart, but not exciting. Draft is boring to watch because you know what will happen, they make a comp that works around galio. They are also a big Kog player, which I also find 1 dimensional and boring, though this is not unique to them.

The pace is slow, they use the same strat 99% of games, and it's not so much a question of other teams adapting against it or to it, it's whether or not this makes for interesting gameplay, which so far I am saying not really. And I am someone who likes the underlying strategy in a game, and watching map movements, vision wars etc, i'm not just in it for the skirmishes.

It was the same story last worlds, picking annoying or boring champs and abusing them to victory. Again, it is smart, just not as entertaining as watching misfits or RNG push them. If every team tried to do things the way SKT does, I would 100% stop watching- same reason I almost did stop watching in S5- the games get very monotonous and everything is very expected.

Hope this helps clear up my personal point of view a bit- I am not trying to hate on the team.

01BigCheese2 votes

Hey, thanks for a thoughtful response. My apologies on the 'stupidity' comment... so many people just say stuff without explaining themselves, it was a response to a plethora of unexplained comments. Thank you.

I personally think the way SKT play is exciting and fun to watch. The matches they had with RNG and Misfits were especially entertaining because SKT had to adapt to the unique and surprise picks. As Blank said in his interview, they were pushed to the limit. Huni added that their match with Misfits were hardest professional games he ever played. SKT playstyle works for them, why change if their strategy continues to bring them the wins? I personally enjoy their methodical and slow paced games. It's intelligent, highly strategic and technically challenging. They need to win over teams that already know their strategy. Besides, every team has their comfort picks and SKT has their own; we can hardly fault them for that.

Nothing lasts forever, so in the near future, another team will beat them with their own combination of winning strategy and technical mastery. I hope is TSM but we'll see. Thanks.

Biffsidius6 votes

At this point you're pretty much going to have to trick Faker into taking out a loan from the Sicilian Mafia to do any harm to him, the man's untouchable.

WeChildrenOf God2 votes

They can't ban Galio so he'll just Hero's Entrance and smash them all with his superior mechanics.

AriCei1 votes

yaaaaaaa

Xenos von Faneli4 votes

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At this point you're pretty much going to have to trick Faker into taking out a loan from the Sicilian Mafia to do any harm to him, the man's untouchable.

This sounds like it could easily lead to one of the classic blunders...

Reaxetion4 votes

Never fight a land war in Asia?

Xenos von Faneli6 votes

Well that would be the most famous, but no, I was referring to the only slightly less well known of the classic blunders, never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha......................

Arcanomos4 votes

Faker is already winning all the land wars in Asia

Boagster5 votes

I was thinking, "Don't invade Russia in winter."

SciFi Scrivener6 votes

It's hard to forget that SKT swept this SSG team in the LCK playoffs. I'm still excited to watch the finals, but I'm hoping for a repeat of Worlds 2016 and not LCK 2017.

MrFakeHero8 votes

This year's worlds has been by far the best. SSG, has a good chance if their bot lane can get ahead. It was a shame to see RNG lose though.

RiotMean Mister Kien6 votes

I think SSG has shown so much improvement throughout Worlds. Very excited for this match up and definitely hope we get 5 games! LCK Winter is OP _

Zohan7891 votes

Agreed, SKT is favored to win, but SSG is still really good, they are kind of like IVG and ARS from the ABL Series, very similar

Dreglin6 votes

Huni NA? it was EU that made him good... Typical NA comment...

WolfSaGa6195 votes

If SKT fall in this final, there is no doubt that they will come to take it back next year. #Legend never die #Faker

GD Reaper15 votes

Personally I think if SKT wins again, it'll be worse for the esport as a whole. Lots of people are already frustrated by seeing the same story at the end of the day, every year. SKT winning worlds AGAIN after looking like possibly the weakest of the Korean teams overall in every match since the end of group stage is just boring. Most people I know who aren't SKT fans, and even many who are, don't want to see another SKT win because it makes things boring. The matches they've played in knockouts have been exciting, but they were all matches they were supposed to win, and did, but by much closer margins than there should have been. As for how SSG beats them, I think they should allow the Galio pick if they can prepare a good counterpick for it, and otherwise, ban it. Pick someone like Tristana and either borrow a page from ignar's playbook and play a support that can set Ruler up to win lane hard early or pick a strong ardent censer support. Don't let them have Kog'maw Janna. Definitely don't let them have Kog'maw Janna Galio.

FR0GMAN6 votes

you know how you make the game competitive.....you get rid of this ridiculous import rule for regions, if you look across soccer they mesh talent from all parts of the globe to make great teams and that helps their local talent as well....so I don't want to hear this crap that its not good for the upcoming talent. more competition = success, whats not good is the G2, TSM, ect's of the world smashing their region and coming up empty. a strong case can be made for misfits, but that was an excellent game plan and execution more so than anything. making to where teams can make great teams without the hinder of rules such as imports would make the game health for years to come, where young talent would have to fight with the best around the world inside their respective regions. Korea has been modling this for years within their esports. the whole point of the import rule was to stop external Orgs from invading NALCS,EULCS. now that franchising is a thing,this rule should be scraped or revised to allow more talented players from around the world to play in whatever region they choose (not just Korean Imports)

Lardee5 votes

well said. just follow what main stream sports has done. Why would you limit a franchise from importing players? lol. The only thing riot should be focused on is game balances mechanics and rules of the game. Rosters should be left for franchises. Franchises need to be able to maximize profits. If you want this league to grow and sustain, franchises have to prosper. Also, how is it bad if skt wins? Any dynasty is seen with awe and promotes the game more. You think jordan winning 6 titles was bad for basketball? it was the BEST TIME EVER for the nba.

Boagster2 votes

What mainstream sports have done? You mean like how the top governing bodies of the most popular spectator sport in the world (association football, aka soccer) has been pushing for the better part of a decade to limit the amount of foreign players brought in to national leagues? The so-called "6+5" and "9+9" rules. Already, UEFA has a rule requiring at least 8 in-country trained players on a 25-man squad. The main issue stopping them from enacting more stringent rules is the European Union's insistence that it's discriminatory to force teams to take a certain amount of national talent.

There are already means of circumventing the LoL import rules through declarations of residency. Any player who has played in a region for two consecutive years may claim that as their home region, freeing up an import slot. Bjergsen has done exactly that. Sure, you can't get an all-import team in one season, but surely you can build it up if you start with long-term talent for your earlier imports.

RyooGa3 votes

I agree 100% with this, you have teams that are investing heavily for an LCS spot in every region now that they are moving to a franchise model. If you want to increase the competitiveness of every region allow teams to hire the best talent, regardless their country of origin. This is esports it's an experiment that might come crashing down any minute the day the game becomes boring, or a bad patch gets released, or when an AAA title comes with a better idea on how to monetize a MOBA and have 10 times a bigger price pool, why not try to have the best talent while you can? 5 years from now league maybe be irrelevant or it grows to have so much good talent that the ranking and teams will change every 6 months like it happens in other games like CSGO. Although having a dominant is always good because it creates a fan base, for example, I'm a casual observer of CSGO and it is really hard to try to cheer for a team or players in particular because 3-6 months down the road they might not even be playing anymore.

01BigCheese8 votes

This is a rediculous premise. SKT winning does NOT hinder the popularity of LOL nor eSports. The value and the popularity of League perhaps have to do with SKT, espeically Faker, more than you think. SKT T1 dominance is the reason why some people watch, hoping one day, they will be defeated. That will happen, if not this year, next year or year after. Until then, their dominance has created an aura that attracts people to watch again and again. Some watch SKT with awe, others with the hope that a David will show up to knock the hell out of the Goliath! Either way, the popularity of LOL increases! And if SKT is the best, they should win! Other teams should learn and adapt and grow to beat them instead of complaining how good they are!

This year, more than the other years, I enjoyed LOL games, especially beginning with the Quarterfinals. It looks like the skill gap is narrowing as NA and EU, along with China competitively is getting stronger. I look forward to next year's world as these other regions begin to use their strength instead of copying Korea and use creativity to defeat the teams from Korea. It will happen... I a sure you... just not this year!

Demonic Fox2 votes

While I agree that the teams need to step up if they want to win, I will agree with reaper, I, personally don't think it's good, I don't think it draws more to them, if the same team were to win 2-3 years in a row I can very much see the LOL esport dying, which is unfortunate as i've really enjoyed watching some of the teams that weren't expected to win, actually win, FNC and Misfits and also Gigabyte Marines were especially fun to watch. Eu did fine but Na failed to meet expectations I think, Na has probably 2-3 more years to be even slightly competitve I think, but that's just an opinion though.

01BigCheese1 votes

Exactly! FNC, Misfits, WE, RNG...etc., they all did really well this season. TSM, wish they were in the final, underperformed again T.T To me, the talent and skill gap narrowed noticeably during this worlds... I don't think it's going to be that long before SKT is defeated by other teams. Just not this year, I think. SSG has shown great quarterfinals performance but they will lose to SKT again! We will see how SKT wining pans out... I get the feeling, it'll attract more people in hopes to see them lose. On the other hand, they may not lose; they may keep on winning, as Faker said in that little intro video, until LOL ends.

Demonic Fox1 votes

I do not think skt beat ssg xD [sg-lulu]

Unholy Paladin4 votes

I mean if it is boring for them they should not watch. They should blame their team for not being good enough. Nothing is being handled to SKT they take it, even if they look like they have some flaws the greatest can come from behind. Tell your friends that see it as "boring" because a team that struggles finds a way to win to piss off and get real.[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Senobi3 votes

When I red this comment, it made me feel so good that actually I am not alone believing that being the best is not always crushing your games. Thank you <3

Squidgward5 votes

Note, I am__ an skt fan. But I think its really stupid how people find it boring just on the outcome. Its not SKT rolls through every game winning at 10 minutes, they give us super exciting matches almost every game. So stop whining just because a team is the best team in the world, objectively. Although I would've LOVED to See WE v SKT at Finals I think a rematch is really cool

Lardee5 votes

Number 10 is probably the worst thought out thing ever. We all know what happens when Faker gets camped. We have seen it before countless times. When Faker is excessively camped, SKT takes all objectives and sidelanes. This is extremely bad because Faker can play from behind 100 percent of the time. It's better to tilt bot lane and make Wolf + Bang useless. Huni is also a big weak point. He is the weakest top laner compared to duke and marin so far. NEVER CAMP FAKER.

Senobi1 votes

I agree on how to beat Sk Telecom T1, but I completely disagree on Duke being better than Huni. Duke was never as gifted as Huni. The Difference is that Duke played tanky comps with a lot of vision to avoid early ganks as in Huni tries his best to explose his lane to pressure the map harder. The games Huni carried this tournement showed just how much talented he is as a player. Don't forget that Huni as an 18/0 split in EU, 17/1 Spring AND summer split in NA and now his already at a world final. Sure, he is more prown to tilt, but he can also carry. The best will remain Marin, because no one could match him <3

Feed Like Unicef1 votes

Yeah, there's no way that Duke was any better than Huni. Marin in lane alone, maybe. Maybe, maybe. If Huni is a team's weakspot then they're in a really, really, really, really good place.

CMA Doob Messiah4 votes

I don't think SSW is going that way. That team was god tier and it's a shame they didn't stay together longer.

Senobi1 votes

Completely agree. I miss them ! :(

Sir Gankselot3 votes

Remember you can't beat Faker but you can beat his team

woodvsmurph2 votes

How to punish Faker's galio:

  1. play ap carry toplaner or jungler - maybe even warwick - since you can force the enemy adc into an early qss or cleanse and he does some magic damage
  2. play nasus mid
  3. stack for 30+ min knowing galio will not kill you 1v1 (until current patch; world's is behind a few patches)
  4. Build a few damage items (item 3078 item 3053 maybe even lifesteal or... triforce, double crit item, and then tank - for that nearly 1-shot potential on bang in teamfights.).

Alternative: remember when adc's were "trash"? When ziggs was the new adc? So play ziggs bot, and 2 physical damage carries (bruiser or fighter type champs) mid and top. Nasus, jax, irelia, kled (should beat galio in lane AND be able to follow galio roams quite nicely with his own ult), ghost flash darius mid - whatever it takes.

Boagster3 votes

If they early-pick Galio and Nasus isn't last pick, SKT will just pick a winning lane against Nasus and send the counter to wherever Nasus is. Just because Faker's role is "mid" doesn't mean SKT won't adapt to such a weak counter strategy. Sure, your mid laner having to play in top lane isn't ideal, but it's not like Faker couldn't play it safely. The only advantage to this is that Faker can't roam bot with ult with ease.

woodvsmurph1 votes

Well, this is less meaningful since the championship has been decided and we didn't see this matchup, but allow me to reply nonetheless.

If they send galio top, you can play nasus top. You are still not in kill threat because 1. you can farm by tower if being focused - diving a nasus is kinda a bad idea. 2. Galio won't 1v1 you - giving you free reign to push and demolish towers just as you would in mid lane when galio ult's or tp's away from lane. 3. You still do the exact same thing in teamfights - a bit less effectively since you can't run ghost and flash (unless... mid takes tp to swap roles/lanes with you mid/late game). 4. Your team bans the obvious, best counterpicks before 2nd round of picks; if they pick it first round, you can simply counterpick the counterpick and swap nasus the exact way you say skt would swap galio out of the nasus lane. Ta Da. 5. Your team drafts strong with their bot and mid (maybe sup or jg too) and can either set up 1-3-1 or 4-1. This let's nasus skip out on teamfights and just play pve killing towers to win the game.

We already saw successful nasus at worlds even if he didn't get fed early. The amount of time any one enemy has to invest by mid game to kill him is almost not worth it and easily exploited by his 4 teammates elsewhere on the map.

Dai Nong2 votes

Remember the story of JAX, ban his weapon to limit faker! Mouse or keyboard!

Umbi The Umbreon1 votes

has to be keyboard because at least you can still play the game with just a mouse...

RagingPhoenix2 votes

Instead of banning galio why not ban faker?

Mérçÿ2 votes

Just me but Does any one think SKT is buying out the games? Because the last two matches both teams went from being in the lead then losing in the 5th round. a

Mérçÿ2 votes

didn't hit enter but okay. But what i was saying its weird because the last matches the teams going against SKT had the lead in both games but then threw all 3 rounds so SKT could catch up. I don't it just doesn't really add up to me. I just think SKT is buying the Wins.

TheBroCouch8 votes

I honestly think that is an incredibly idiotic statement. Not only do you believe SKT would ever stoop to such levels, but you also think the other teams whom you, yourself are rooting for, would rather take the money than to obtain the glory of slaying the Gods that are SKT? You don't have to like SKT bud, but you shouldn't be making ridiculous claims. SKT win because they are the better team. And when they lose is when their enemy was the better team. End of story. So until the day comes when SKT do not win Worlds, I am afraid you are stuck with them being the Greatest Of All Time.

jagdaniels2 votes

Well what can you do vs a guy like Faker who is approaching the newly created rank of ..."Chuck Norris"....

Vins2 votes

NotLikeThis the people that don't comprehend SKT's dominance and say it's because they pick OP champions.......................... Bruh.

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