Biased NA LCS Standings after Spring Split Week 3

FedoraSteve·Feb 6, 2017·1 votes·1,640 views

Am I alone in thinking that the standings are biased? I understand that it is a Bo3 format but that doesn't mean that teams with the same match score are the same standing. TSM and FLY both are 5-1, however TSM has struggled so far to close out their match ups while FLY has been sailing through. Say what you want about theoretical difficulty and power rankings but a Standings table should just be analytic. So Teams with equal match wins should be tiered based on individual games win loss ratio. What I mean is TSM has won 10 individual games and lost 7 while FLY has won 11 Individual games and lost 3. If you look at the standings as of this post it shows TSM in second and FLY in 3rd.

I get it, technically they are tied at 5-1 so you might think it doesn't matter but accurately showing team performance is what the standings are for and clearly FLY is out performing TSM so far.

12 Comments

GarthBrooksXDFeb 6, 20171 votes

The rules of the game is match wins=victories. The standings are for determining playoff seeding. They'll do playoffs to find the best teams. If you are interested in speculating that fly is better than tsm because they have won their matches more easily, then power rankings are for you xD.

xJLx MCHammerFeb 6, 20171 votes

Flyquest has been playing easier teams. TSM fought P1, CLG, and C9. FQ toughest battle was IMT.

Next week they play C9 and we shall see if they can close their games as quick as the other top teams

FedoraSteveFeb 7, 20171 votes

It isn't about what teams they have faced, the standings aren't there to determine theoretical power rankings. They are the representation of the teams from order of best ratio to worst, in the case of a tied match ratio then the logical next step is to arrange the tied teams by individual game win/loss ratio. I could accept TSM in second place despite this if they were at least in alphabetical order but they aren't. TSM is ranked 2nd over FLY purely because they are TSM, the golden child of NA LCS.

xJLx MCHammerFeb 7, 20171 votes

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It isn't about what teams they have faced, the standings aren't there to determine theoretical power rankings. They are the representation of the teams from order of best ratio to worst, in the case of a tied match ratio then the logical next step is to arrange the tied teams by individual game win/loss ratio. I could accept TSM in second place despite this if they were at least in alphabetical order but they aren't. TSM is ranked 2nd over FLY purely because they are TSM, the golden child of NA LCS.

No one is ranked number 2. FlyQuest and TSM share the #2 spot. They are tied. They have not fought each other.

FedoraSteveFeb 7, 20171 votes

if you go look at the standings, yes both teams have a "2" by their name, but TSM is above FLY. if you simply look down the list to see rankings it appears that TSM is doing better than their performance would indicate. If it doesn't matter who is where because they are both in 2nd then why not list them alphabetically. TSM is being placed first because they are TSM. I am saying that when 2 teams are tied for Match score then individual game score should be the next determining factor. It is a psychological play to keep TSM "on top" IMO. Statistically, logically it should not be arranged as it is right now.

xJLx MCHammerFeb 7, 20172 votes

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if you go look at the standings, yes both teams have a "2" by their name, but TSM is above FLY. if you simply look down the list to see rankings it appears that TSM is doing better than their performance would indicate. If it doesn't matter who is where because they are both in 2nd then why not list them alphabetically. TSM is being placed first because they are TSM. I am saying that when 2 teams are tied for Match score then individual game score should be the next determining factor. It is a psychological play to keep TSM "on top" IMO. Statistically, logically it should not be arranged as it is right now.

I think you are trying to look too much into something that is not there.

FedoraSteveFeb 7, 20171 votes

After most of this thread had already transpired someone posted "NA LCS week three By the Numbers", you will notice that FLY is above TSM even though they are both in second. Whether that is due to the "Numbers" or because Alphabetical listing doesn't matter. In either case it is a logical sequence, not sure why the main standings page couldn't have done the same.

III BAKURYU III Feb 7, 20171 votes

I personally don't like the overall total win lose record but just instead the If you win your BO3 you are 1-0 period not 1-0//2-1.
I thought the whole point of the BO3 was to just give teams more room to improve but it also goes into standings which again I don't like.

It's impressive if a team goes 18-0// 2-0 their opponents each time but it's also impressive if a team also goes 18-0 but goes 2-1 in each series as it shows they can play out each game and potentially have enough energy to play 3 games all being 30-1 hr each. ( I know 2 teams can't go 18-0 but it's just an example)!

The LOL-Esports site does have TSM ahead of FQ but on other sites FlyQuest are leading TSM so there's that at least

Wh1teWu1fFeb 8, 20171 votes

I'm more annoyed that H2H record is used before game differential, so even if you've actually won more games by going 1-2, if the team you went against beat you, you don't get the higher place (as shown by NV locking Apex out of the Playoffs by having the better H2H record, but worse game differential).

III BAKURYU III Feb 8, 20171 votes

That's why they just need to change it to a BO3 but it's 1-0 if you win and/or 0-1 if you lose, non of this lose your game 1-2 and your record is now 0-1 / 1-2. It's annoying

BigBellBruteFeb 7, 20171 votes

Maybe the guy that posts standings doesn't concern himself with the proper tiebreakers until the end. As long as the final standings and playoff seedings get done correctly why should anyone give any sort of flip which tied team is posted first in week 3.

TBakesFeb 7, 20171 votes

Just to echo here, I read what place they are in by the number on the left, not which teams are above/below. So if FLY and TSM have a 2, the they are tied 2nd. I don't see any bias there.