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Exposing mod abuse and lack of free rights of posting in Na boards

Hashishalal420··4 votes·2,424 views

My other account ( zemuderer ) got permabanned from Na boards for posting one song and one shitpost. Is this fair? was this punishment made according to the rules? The answer is no, its clearly mod abuse. One of my comments got removed for "hijacking" (it was not real hijacking because I didn't go off topic) despite the inexistence of any rule against it, the cheap excuse of the mod was that it was a low effort comment. Why is shitposting even punishable? 70% of the threads in this forum are shitposts. The" low effort post" is just a tool used by mods to ban anything they don't like and get away with their abuse.

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ModThe Djinn21 votes

When your "shitpost" involves racism, homophobia, insults, "purging" employees you dislike, a song titled "Death to Israel," and anti-gay political comments by controversial political figures, you will get banned, yes. You were banned for all of the above, rather than for "shitposting."

We can look into the removal history of an account, so the "I'm not going to admit what my removed content actually was" game doesn't fly here.

Oleandervine1 votes

You need to add this to your post. https://i.imgur.com/TAyADKY.png

Hashishalal4202 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=x7jTAbAG,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-14T14:35:59.543+0000)

When your "shitpost" involves racism, homophobia, insults, "purging" employees you dislike, a song titled "Death to Israel," and anti-gay political comments by controversial political figures, you will get banned, yes. You were banned for all of the above, rather than for "shitposting."

We can look into the removal history of an account, so the "I'm not going to admit what my removed content actually was" game doesn't fly here.

You are either are misinterpreting my speech or lying, my posts did not involve any homophobia, racism or insults. For the song tilted "Death to Israel", I posted it for its artistic aspect and nothing else

ModThe Djinn13 votes

[{quoted}](name=Electronic jihad,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=x7jTAbAG,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-06-14T14:53:55.651+0000)You are either are misinterpreting my speech or lying, my posts did not involve any homophobia, racism or insults.

Fine. We can play this game:

"Now they are introducing more gay braindead champions for mongoloid e-prostitutes"

Racism ("mongoloid"), homophobia ("gay" used as a negative quality).

"This is a good testimony which reveal their lack of IQ"

Insults.

"The balance team or more like the LGBT team should get purged and punished according to the laws of Iran"

Homophobia, religious discussion, encouragements to violence.

For the song tilted "Death to Israel", I posted it for its artistic aspect and nothing else

Not an excuse for posting something that breaks the rules so egregiously.

I'll be blunt -- stop defending this behavior, or I will ban this account as well. This is one of the most egregious cases I've seen recently.

Butterwood10 votes

"Free rights"

This is a forum owned and run by a private company that doesn't owe you anything my guy.

Hashishalal4201 votes

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"Free rights"

This is a forum owned and run by a private company that doesn't owe you anything my guy.

Not banning me unfairly maybe? its owned by private company but it doesn't mean that are allowed to bully people

Butterwood1 votes

That's literally what it means. They can change your name to "Wee Willy Jones" and give you a butterfly avatar if they like. They can take control of your account and post silly nonsense pretending to be you. Does this mean they'll do that? No, but they most certainly can - that's what comes with literally owning the forum we're posting on.

Turtles Are Okay3 votes

I can't tell whether or not abuse is going on, while I know first-hand the EUW boards' mods are very sensitive, it seems than NA's are way more lenient. What you speak of, even if it can't be proven, but I assume it to be true sounds like there is a moderator who is a bit sad that he didn't make it in life and takes it on others.

Unfortunately, there's nothing you can do, bans are never reversed.

FOR JUSTICE2 votes

you know mods DO keep removed posts as proof in case you ever ask why right? they very well can prove he broke the rules.

ModThe Djinn4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Turtles Are Okay,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=x7jTAbAG,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-14T14:27:27.354+0000)What you speak of, even if it can't be proven, but I assume it to be true sounds like there is a moderator who is a bit sad that he didn't make it in life and takes it on others.

All moderator actions are visible on the back end, and intentionally lying about an action taken or the reason given would be something that would likely lead to that moderator's removal.

Unfortunately, there's nothing you can do, bans are never reversed.

Board bans/punishments are not "never reversed." When we find an action that was taken improperly to a punishment that was too harsh, we address the issue.

Turtles Are Okay1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=x7jTAbAG,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-06-14T15:15:26.589+0000)

All moderator actions are visible on the back end, and intentionally lying about an action taken or the reason given would be something that would likely lead to that moderator's removal.

Board bans/punishments are not "never reversed." When we find an action that was taken improperly to a punishment that was too harsh, we address the issue.

I was just playing into OP's game. No one knows what happened besides you guys and him.

I saw your post with what he said and that's heavily inflammatory. Not the "IQ" thing because while he worded it in a very bad manner, I don't understand why talking about your opinion of someone else's intelligence is "offensive". If it's vital to a point, then let it be so.

Although I understand. I own a pretty large support ticketing company and there are free discussions and there are users who sometimes engage in things we don't think would look good to the more sensitive audience, as in "wow, I never knew X company's forums were an extremist lobby". It's not a democracy and a company needs to maintain its image, so I can't blame, we have to ban them too just to protect ourselves from liability even if the discussions are interesting and funny and then, as tradition demands, we release a small statement about "equal rights" and yaddy yadda. I believe in a world where we all respect each other, regardless of where we come from, but you can pretty much tell if someone is just an ass or has ill intent and for asses - just silence them.

But I do think that, at least on EUW, the mods are disgustingly over-sensitive and anyone disagreeing should really reflect upon what it means to be a decent human being, because they have the wrong idea. You won't get anywhere in life being that sensitive and I know it's popular to be SJW-esque, but I do know it's extreme.

Hashishalal4201 votes

"I saw your post with what he said and that's heavily inflammatory. Not the "IQ" thing because while he worded it in a very bad manner, I don't understand why talking about your opinion of someone else's intelligence is "offensive". If it's vital to a point, then let it be so." Does that mean that you agree with him that people with an extra chromosome are just a different race and using the word gay as a synonym to girly is homophobic?

Turtles Are Okay2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Electronic jihad,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=x7jTAbAG,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-14T15:48:40.966+0000)

"I saw your post with what he said and that's heavily inflammatory. Not the "IQ" thing because while he worded it in a very bad manner, I don't understand why talking about your opinion of someone else's intelligence is "offensive". If it's vital to a point, then let it be so." Does that mean that you agree with him that people with an extra chromosome are just a different race and using the word gay as a synonym to girly is homophobic?

No. I agree with them that you're just someone like many others who claim to not have done anything and in fact are monsters.

Listen, I have arab friends and we always joke about, you know, the usual things and I used to joke with randoms too, not understanding that not everyone might see the world as I do. I own 2 semi-big companies and what I said in the past is known and will probably be used against me in the future to claim "I'm a racist" [this is just to put into perspective just how much these words hurt, even if right or not], that left aside, you have to understand how this affects you as a person if it's known you use these words. Not everyone is as welcoming to your jokes and because people don't know you, they might take it to heart but the bigger issue is really that what you said specifically as per the mod comment is just blatantly stupid, you're trying to offend with very sensitive topics.

Will people care that I donated a lot, helped funds for important buildings, contributed to a lot and paid more taxes than everyone else combined? No. I will be skinned alive for some jokes I made while young or still doing but clearly are just jokes for the "shock factor". So, people are very, very sensitive and will nearly always only see the bad things you did.

My opinion? I don't care. When someone flames me, I'd enter the circus because it's fun and I never take it to heart because it's just words and while they show malicious intent, I couldn't really care less. There are bigger issues to deal with than this.

Also, don't use me disagreeing with their opinion on ONE of your offences as a proof that "see? others aren't as crazy as you" when you went full fighter mode with other things. Also, you've tried to avoid banning by "smart" wording that the mods saw through. But to the points that you made, I disagree with them, yes, at first sight but that's just me and not the society as a whole.

If you're as dysfunctional to not understand what you did there, then you will not have success in any walk of life because humans have egos and if you don't know how to manage them, you'll burn every bridge. A more appropriate train of thought would be to recognize what you did is wrong in the eyes of the society, even if it might not really be, realize this is how things are and you won't change them and adapt, or have enough money & influence to not care which I assume you don't.

For yourself, try to see how you misplayed the situation. You live in a society where you don't have the absolute power and you either adapt or are killed (sometimes literally, unfortunately).

If you wanna change something, acquire power and set the trends yourself. X or Y thing is nor wrong nor right in absolute terms, but they're relative to what the society, at a given time decides them to be. A few decades ago it was very cool to kill people of color in the US. Do you think people thought back then that it was wrong? No. So, if you could, what would you tell them and more importantly, do you think they won't respond with "shut up, lol, X race deserves Y punishment lmao".

Play by the rules. You have no power.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Turtles Are Okay,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=x7jTAbAG,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-06-14T15:36:25.256+0000)Not the "IQ" thing because while he worded it in a very bad manner, I don't understand why talking about your opinion of someone else's intelligence is "offensive".

It's the most minor of his offenses, but it's still not okay. Insulting other people is not allowed on the boards, and there is a marked difference between "I do not think this was a smart decision" and "this individual is not smart." The former is an opinion, the latter is an insult.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

Abuse? No.

Mistaken removals? Happens because people can interpret things differently. Calmly explaining may overturn and reinstate a removed post.

Forum bans usually happen after a series of previous punishments depending on the severity. They can be reversed though, even if not done often.

Arcade Lulu2 votes

If you break the rules, you'll get punished Simple Just like The Djinn already explained

FOR JUSTICE2 votes

your rights of posting arent violated if you broke any of the universal rules. in fact, posting this is STILL in violation because it falls under posting on behalf of a removed account.

Do not use alternate accounts to post rule-breaking content if you have an account serving a Boards suspension. Do not post rule-breaking content on behalf of an individual serving a Boards suspension.

Jhins Girlfriend2 votes

You used gay as an insult and hinted at genocide.. sounds fair to me.

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