so I got banned for stating in a post that I was selling smurf accounts, as long as I'm aware (after reading all the rules) discussing in-game rule breaking is not against the rules and this is not breaking any rules. now I know yall gonna say I'm ban avoiding and shit but I did not break any rules to result in a ban and have been banned from both the discord and boards so its the only real option here.
Umbral Regent5 votesYou weren't just discussing in-game rule-breaking; you were breaking the rules yourself and encouraging other players to break the rules so you could reap a profit on illegitimate business. Account sharing and account-selling is against the rules, and you should know this.
From the ToU, Code of Conduct...
viii. Participating in any action which, in the sole and exclusive judgment of Riot Games, defrauds any other user of the Game, including by scamming or social engineering;
xiii. Playing on another person’s account to “boost” that account’s status or rank; or
xiv. Inducing or encouraging others to violate this Code of Conduct or the terms of this Agreement.
And, yes, I'd consider it scamming; you're having people pay money for accounts on a free-to-play game, and doubtless you had to have played those accounts yourself in some capacity before selling them off to someone.
From the Summoner's Code...
Keep your account information private.
Sharing your account information with a friend can cause your account to be stolen for good or draw a ban for negative behaviour you didn’t commit. Logging into third-party sites with your League account information also exposes you to risk of account theft.
While that particular guideline more refers to personal account safety, there's also the unspoken implication that sharing an account (which poses a great enough risk to you already) would warrant a punishment, which goes hand-in-hand with article XIII of the Code of Conduct.
And, of course, snippets from the Boards Universal Rules.
Account, Product, or Service Promotion.
No advertising product sales, trading, reward programs, or gifting of any kind. No advertising transactional services offered by individuals or companies.
Phishing or Scamming.
Do not post content related to free RP or phishing sites.
Advocating Violations of the Rules.
Do not post content advocating or soliciting violations of the Terms of Use, Summoner’s Code, or Board Rules. Players encouraging this sort of behavior will be punished as if they had engaged in it themselves.
And, yes, while the "Phishing or Scamming" rule explicitly states "free RP" scams, I personally can't count selling accounts in a F2P game as anything but a scam.
Meteora7071 votesI am not selling accounts on the boards nor am I advertising it or telling people that they should be doing what I do, I'm talking about something that a lot of people do which includes me. I am breaking in-game rules but I'm not breaking any boards rules.
Umbral Regent2 votesMh. Your opening statement was pretty unclear in that regard.
so I got banned for stating in a post that I was selling smurf accounts...
When I read that, even if it's followed by mention of discussing that behavior, all it reads as is that you were advertising the accounts you sell.
That said, if your thread was discussing account-selling rather than advertising it, I'd like to know more about that discussion. Typically, Moderators don't take action against threads/comments discussing behavior and rulebreaking unless those threads/comments are actively advocating it.
Meteora7071 votesit wasn't a thread of mine it was a comment that (if I remember correctly) just said "if riot fixes their game I'll stop selling accounts"
Umbral Regent2 votesThen...That's not discussing in-game rule-breaking. That's just making an assertion that "if Riot fixes their game" in whatever manner that you, subjectively, find appropriate, that you'll stop breaking the rules.
It's unhelpful, wouldn't add anything to a discussion, and frankly, is almost as bad as straight-up advertising the accounts.
I can see why Moderator action was taken. It was a pointless ultimatum that serves no real benefit to Riot or the community, and more-or-less just seeds doubt.
Meteora7071 votesits a statement that if riot implemented a better system less people would be breaking their in-game rules, whether you find this "bad" or not is irrelevant as it doesn't break any rules, at least to the point where its bannable.
AeroWaffle2 votesI am not selling accounts on the boards
But your OP says;
so I got banned for stating in a post that I was selling smurf accounts
Meteora7071 votesgoing to a police station and stating that you sell drugs doesn't equate to selling drugs at the police station.
AeroWaffle4 votesgoing to a police station and stating that you sell drugs doesn't equate to selling drugs at the police station.
It would qualify as admission of guilt. Selling accounts is against the terms of service and thus completely within right to ban players for doing so.
It doesn't say exclusively in-game ban. You're still using Riot services when using the boards.
Meteora7071 votesso is saying that you flamed in-game also bannable on the boards? what about saying that you inted in a game? no its not, stop trying to make shit up fam
EthanAttacks1 votesDude, please just bite the bullet and admit that you're wrong.
Every single one of your posts is in the negatives.
It states in the Terms of Use: https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse#account-termination
You can’t share your account or Login Credentials with anyone. You can’t sell, transfer or allow any other person to access your account or Login Credentials, or offer to do so.
We may terminate or suspend your account if we determine, in our sole discretion, that you have violated any part of this Agreement.
Saying that you have done it is a surefire way to get your account terminated. Consider yourself lucky that all you got was the inability to post on the boards on your other account.
Meteora7071 votesyes we all know that the opinion of the majority is always correct, its funny how there are still people here that don't understand the game TOS and the boards TOS are different.
KFCeytron3 votesgoing to a police station and stating that you sell drugs doesn't equate to selling drugs at the police station.
If you go into a police station and confess to a serious crime, you will be arrested on suspicion of committing that crime, followed by an investigation, and then potentially a trial, conviction, and sentencing, depending on the results of each step. Please abide by your deserved permanent ban, account-seller.
Meteora7071 votesthe rules and punishments for the boards and the live game are different, hence why you can still use the boards from a permabanned ig account and the other way around :) again I did not break any of the boards rules hence the punishment was unfair.
KFCeytron3 votesthe rules and punishments for the boards and the live game are different, hence why you can still use the boards from a permabanned ig account and the other way around :) again I did not break any of the boards rules hence the punishment was unfair.
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From the Universal Rules:
Do not post content advocating or soliciting violations of the Terms of Use, Summoner’s Code, or Board Rules. Players encouraging this sort of behavior will be punished as if they had engaged in it themselves.
Karn Bishop4 votesThat would fall under account services promotions you are effectively advertising that if someone wants a smurf account your the guy to talk to even if your not directly saying that.
Meteora7071 votesthere are services that everyone is aware of that are 100 times more trustable than some random guy on the boards plus there isn't even a way to privately contact someone on the boards so no.
ModThe Djinn4 votesCan you give me the name of the banned account, please? I can look into this for you.
Meteora7071 votessociai justice :)
ModThe Djinn3 votessociai justice :)
Is that the full name of the account? sociai justice? Because I cannot find an account by that name. Please respond here with a post containing the following format:
Account Name [Server]
For example: The Djinn [NA]
Meteora7071 votesoh yeah sorry its an eune account so sociai justice [EUNE]
ModThe Djinn5 votes{quoted}oh yeah sorry its an eune account so sociai justice [EUNE]
Perfect. Found it.
So this is indeed a case where you're directly admitting to violating one of Riot's strictest "don't do this" policies -- selling accounts. This is against the board rules as it is an illegal activity, as well as advocating (your own) violation of the rules by effectively stating you plan to continue this behavior. As a result (and given your 7-day ban only a month prior) your account was permanently suspended from the boards.
Meteora7071 votesadvocating (your own) violation of the rules
this shits hilarious lmao
This is against the board rules as it is an illegal activity
so if someone says they illegally smoke weed they'll get banned off the boards?
ModThe Djinn4 votes{quoted}this shits hilarious lmao
I'm glad you find humor in things.
so if someone says they illegally smoke weed they'll get banned off the boards?
There's some grey area there, given it's a very common meme and legal in some places, but we would discourage that, yes. We would, however, absolutely remove references to recreational use of harder drugs.
Meteora7071 votesfrom what I know smoking pot can be cause for a death penalty while selling an account related to video games cannot so I'm not really sure how that works famalam. just write the boards rules properly or admit that its "we ban you if we don't like you".
ModThe Djinn6 votes{quoted}from what I know smoking pot can be cause for a death penalty
I don't believe Riot issues death penalties (unless things have dramatically changed), so that's not really applicable here.
just write the boards rules properly or admit that its "we ban you if we don't like you."
I checked that the rules were written properly when I wrote them. This one is. The spirit of the rules is pretty clear, and they're intentionally written so that we don't have edge cases of "the rules told me I could do anything but XYZ so I got as close to XYZ as possible while still being just okay even though it definitely steps over the rules in spirit."
Meteora7071 votesthey're intentionally written so that we don't have edge cases of "the rules told me I could do anything but XYZ so I got as close to XYZ as possible while still being just okay even though it definitely steps over the rules in spirit."
what you're saying is that its against the rules because its "illegal", which clearly isn't the case, and then you're saying its against the rules because apparently an alcoholic saying his going to have a drink tomorrow is advocating and promoting alcoholism lmao
ChaosReyn1 votesI'm late to this party...but isn't dodging a boards ban in itself banworthy?
To your actual point though, in the case of selling accounts, it's in the Universal Rules, plain as day:
The real bad stuff:
- Malicious or Illegal Software Do not share information related to illegal or malicious software. We will remove all discussions and comments that include such information. If you would like to report an exploit or hack to us, please send in a support ticket at https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new Moderators will look for the following: Posts about or linking to hacks, exploits, or non-approved 3rd party programs Posts that link to pirated movies, music, software, etc
- Boards Ban Evasion We will permanently suspend accounts of players who: Post on another account after receiving a permanent Boards suspension for severe or multiple violations. Post on behalf of a player who has received a permanent Boards suspension for severe or multiple violations.
- Illegal Activities or Drugs Criminal masterminds, or aspiring criminal masterminds: please don’t talk about your activities or plans on these boards. Posts about illegal activity will be escalated to law enforcement. Threats Threats of any kind will be handled differently depending on severity, but all posts of this kind will be removed. Extreme instances will be escalated to the proper authorities.
- Phishing & Scamming Moderators will look for the following: Posts about services claiming to give free RP Links to cleverly disguised phishing sites
#Advocating Violations of the Rules Moderators will also be on the lookout for players who actively advocate or solicit violations of the Terms of Use or the Boards rules. Players encouraging this sort of behavior may be punished the same as engaging in it themselves.
TL/DR: Advocating Violations of Riot's rules or ToU (including account selling) is a no-no. If you can find a way to misinterpret that, I have to acknowledge that you'd make a mean lawyer.
Meteora7071 votesbasically to counter your point, which has been made 100 times already, saying you've broken a rule =/= advocating for the violation of rules.
ChaosReyn2 votesYou weren't saying "I've broken this rule (in the past)" You were saying "I am breaking this rule." At least at the time of your ban.
Ce la Vie. You're just determined to not get it, so there's really no point to this. Other than my original question (to Djinn) in dodging a boards ban being banworthy.
Meteora7071 votesyes some alcoholic saying they will have a drink is advocating alcoholism fren, we smart
Light Burner1 votesOnly Nubrac is allowed to break rules and people support him remember that. Despite Riot banning him too players still say he has support on here.
Meteora7071 voteseh on one hand his being a complete %%%% to his teams but on the other hand his not really breaking rules and his winning games at a grand-master level so I don't really know if his breaking rules or not.
Light Burner1 votes48% winrate means he was losing more than winning not to mention we dont know how many of those games he did this strat on and that none of his teammates were down for this. Not to mention he got up to grandmaster abusing the system at the beginning of the year that mmr spike for all players, and all he did after that was drop back to diamond.
Meteora7072 votesno he climbed to GM using the strat mid season, he dropped to diamond because he decayed due to the ban.
https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/champions/teemo/na/Nubrac
he has a positive wr in the past month at a GM level using this strategy so whether its griefing or not isn't really the question, the question is should someone who's strategy is giving their team a negative experience be banned.
Light Burner1 votesIm not telling you this from me. Tarzan asked him how'd he get there and that was his response. Ask nubrac why he'd make himself look like an idiot on that.
