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Let us get "Essence capsules" when we get S+ or S

Nine Realms··20 votes·9,627 views

Let us get "Essence capsules" along with hextech chest and a key when we get S+ or S

Essence capsule should contain OE / BE.

47 Comments

ModThe Djinn19 votes

A few issues here, that I can see.

  • It's more free stuff. That sounds great, but Riot already gives out a lot of free stuff, and, bluntly, they aren't a charity.
  • It makes not getting an S into much more of a penalty, as there's a limit to the number of chests you can get per-champion and per-season, so if you miss one you can make it up later. This doesn't have that, so missing out is just essence lost.
  • It further encourages players to play for the rating, not for the game.
Vhan876523 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=umGm4WBt,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-06-05T17:23:43.860+0000)

A few issues here, that I can see.

  • It's more free stuff. That sounds great, but Riot already gives out a lot of free stuff, and, bluntly, they aren't a charity.

"Riot already gives out a lot of free stuff" That's a good one; where did you get that? I haven't laughed this hard since I last read "compensation" in the same sentence as "Riot".

ModThe Djinn18 votes

{quoted}That's a good one; where did you get that?

  • Missions.
  • Capsules.
  • Hextech Chests.
  • Honor Rewards.
  • Rune system changes to remove IP costs.
  • BE shop for some content that normally costs RP.

You may not agree that it's a lot, and that's fine -- but there are a number of things already given away for free, and giving away more for free is a hard sell to any company.

Vhan876524 votes

Missions are event only 90% of the time; First Win existed before Missions, so I don't count that. Champion capsules I guess are indeed a discount for anyone who doesn't already own all the champions, but at this point in LoL history, that's less than 50%. Honor Rewards don't give out anything other then champion shards until honor level 5? So, I don't even get your point with this one. The Rune System was a scam in the first place and realistically cost players more money now because they need to get more Rune Pages to actually stay relevant while playing the game. The BE shop gives out chromas for BE? I think there are mystery icons (and maybe (maybe) mystery ward skins) you can get for BE too? Woohoo~

And as for the Hextech Crafting system; honestly, you just don't want to get me started with how terrible of a 'Free Loot System' it is. I'll give you the short version though; it takes 6 Legendary skin shards to upgrade 1, single Legendary skin shard. Yee, real nice. On top of too the expectations for getting an S are silly high considering LoL literally encourages you to keep your champion pool smaller than larger. So you're allowed a whole total of 4 chests, gaining one chest per week after obtaining one, and then have to wait on key shards that have a disgustingly low drop rate. Add in as well, even after cramming on a champion you don't play to finally earn a Hextech Chest, it's not even the Masterwork chest, so chances are you'll end up with a Champion Shard. Wow!

You're literally trying to pull the most literal nonsense out of thin air to argue a multi-million dollar company is losing money by barely giving out free stuff? You're actually in belief that Riot, who has people like the youtuber Trinimmortal who owns literally every single skin in the game (excluding ones like Black Ali or Rusty Blitz), is actually in the possibility (even hypothetically) of going into debit? Riot, who is thriving off of pro play and making tons of money from LC$, needs to worry about giving out slightly more skin shards?

You're full of it and you know you are. Riot is beyond fine financially.

ModPeriscope12 votes

You're literally trying to pull the most literal nonsense out of thin air

What?

Vhan876519 votes

That's how literal it was. ;3 I'll be the first to admit my unique wording, but really, it shouldn't be that hard to understand; for the educated at least. [sg-lulu]

ModPeriscope13 votes

To each their own.

Herald Est Mors3 votes

lol idk why you got downvotes, but it is funny to see scrolling through the mass agreement these people have gotten. I agree with them to, however I'm not downvoting out of spite. here is an upvote bby

ModPeriscope2 votes

lol idk why you got downvotes

Downvotes don't really bother me. I think it's amazing that so many people showed up to a DtB thread and cared this much about grammar, or policing grammar.

MohawkBird2 votes

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ModPeriscope2 votes

This is going on in the background constantly:

https://media.giphy.com/media/TlK63EHvnvVMU42Vfkk/giphy.gif

BigPapaPimpins6 votes

You can't understand simple English?

Hèntaî 2 votes

Damn son

Besteal6 votes

Regardless of how much you have to disenchant to get that free skin, it's still a free legendary skin. Better than shelling out $15. And you get Ultimate Skins for completely free from chests without enchanting them now too.

ThePerson764 votes

Go back to s4. Now come back. Do you see how much more free stuff there is that wasn't there before?

IcyPepper2 votes

I think everyone got, like, maybe a free skin once or twice a year?

Häxel4 votes

The Rune System was a scam in the first place and realistically cost players more money now because they need to get more Rune Pages to actually stay relevant while playing the game.

Thats bullshit. I mean the whole complaint about "reeeeeee, riot gives us not enoug free stuff while i can play the game for free and 3 years ago nothing of chests, capsules, missions existed, reeeeeee" is bullshit, but that especialy is another level.

I have 19 Runepages from old system and honestly need only 5 now as i just have on one page 1 path selected and can easy change it. Theoreticaly someone can also just use 1 rune page as you can realy edit it fast in gamelobby which you could not before and therefore needed much more pages. I see many palyers from pro and high elo to lowelo just editing there 1 rune page every time.

As for your rest you live ina dreamworld.

he most literal nonsense out of thin air to argue a multi-million dollar company is losing money by barely giving out free stuff?

Alone that riot even gave be back for old runes is soemthing they costed them a lot. THey gave like 20% and it is not some small thing for the 100 millions of players league has and you have definelty of these players like 35% who not even spent one cent for the game cause you realy don't need it. and than riot gives a free system to everyone, a system they worked a half-1 year on it. And they not sell it to us, they gave it to us for free AND even pays some compensation. People bitched around that they not refunded 100% but realy: If you buy clothes and can't wear them anymore, you don't get anything. If you buy a car you definetly can't sell it after 7 years for the full price again. Especialy you don't get a free car after it too. But riot did that. This is not praising of a god developer but it just clearing that riot already does more as they need to do.

Sadly it is the basic principle where riot tries to give a finger and the comunity tries to grab the whole hand with the human on it. Seeing what here is voted down and what voted up shows just how little the comunity can understand about economy and how ungrateful they are sometimes. As Uni3489 said already to the lootsystem: "Regardless of how much you have to disenchant to get that free skin, it's still a free legendary skin. Better than shelling out $15. And you get Ultimate Skins for completely free from chests without enchanting them now too."

TheRossJanitor17 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=umGm4WBt,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-06-05T20:19:36.438+0000)

  • Missions.
  • Capsules.
  • Hextech Chests.
  • Honor Rewards.
  • Rune system changes to remove IP costs.
  • BE shop for some content that normally costs RP.

You may not agree that it's a lot, and that's fine -- but there are a number of things already given away for free, and giving away more for free is a hard sell to any company.

Gonna have to agree with Vhan8765 here, Riot barely gives anything for free and you know it, friend. Most missions ARE event-only, the Hextech crafting system is a complete joke with abysmal disenchantment rewards and outrageous enchantment costs, Honor only giving a single key fragment once every week or so along with being extremely hard to increase, etc. Doesn't really matter that the new runes system replaced IP costs, considering that IP is just that. IP. It has never cost money. Almost no one has an equal chest to key ratio because of the Honor fragment system and capsules only give champion shards. Champions are free ANYWAYS.

IcyPepper6 votes

Riot barely gives anything for free and you know it, friend.

Skins? Runes?

The only thing that's really gated by the leveling experience that wasn't previously is buying champions and rune pages, and even then champion shards allow you to buy the champion on a discount.

Like, what do you want? A free skin every week? How are they supposed to make money off a free game if we're constantly getting the premium cosmetics for free?

Edit: I'd like an actual explanation, you know. Otherwise y'all just come across as... wanting more free shit, which is kinda my point here. You're kinda proving me right if you don't explain WHY we need more free shit.

SSJTribe3 votes

A free skin every week?! No no, we should be able to CHOOSE a free skin every DAY, minimum. /s

IcyPepper4 votes

You know, I'm getting a lot of downvotes but no explanation, making me wonder if people just want the thing but don't really want to explain WHY.

It really comes across as "gimme gimme."

Herald Est Mors2 votes

The free stuff we do get is simply stuff that keeps us playing, but doesn't reward us for really doing so. All events and missions are, you do what we tell you you dogs, and we will throw you this bone. I remember a while ago Riot gave out the free Riot Kayle skin, and damn that was nice. I also remember how during Christman, they give discounts, but no presents... THE RECIEVER SHOULDNT HAVE TO PAY FOR THE GIFT RIOT

IcyPepper2 votes

And what, you want a bigger bone? I'm not really sure where you're going with this.

Herald Est Mors3 votes

Call me Clifford, I want the biggest bone.

IcyPepper1 votes

[sg-lulu]

That's what she said.

Herald Est Mors2 votes

Woof woof means Daddy where I come from

TheRossJanitor3 votes

{quoted}

Skins? Runes?

The only thing that's really gated by the leveling experience that wasn't previously is buying champions and rune pages, and even then champion shards allow you to buy the champion on a discount.

Like, what do you want? A free skin every week? How are they supposed to make money off a free game if we're constantly getting the premium cosmetics for free?

Edit: I'd like an actual explanation, you know. Otherwise y'all just come across as... wanting more free shit, which is kinda my point here. You're kinda proving me right if you don't explain WHY we need more free shit.

Trust me, friend, I get your point. But now, listen to mine: runes have always been free. They have NEVER costed RP, and considering they were a major point of gameplay, it was a good thing they were available with IP. Plain and simple, runes don't count. Champions have always been free, they also have never relied on RP prices. Both these items are gameplay-reliant, hence why they aren't microtransaction-reliant.

Hextech crafting is where Riot's generosity gets iffy for me. Due to the current system we have, lots of players have an inbalance in loot. Plenty of chests but no keys, or even the rare no chests but plenty of keys. Even when disregarding this problem, it takes a crazy amount of orange essence to enchant skin shards in comparison to how much you disenchant them for. What I want is not free things per say, what I want is an equal and fair hextech crafting system. Either that, or just remove it all together. The Pizza Delivery Sivir skin shard disenchants for 270 OE, but enchants for 1050. It's almost 4x the cost. 3.8 to be exact.

So not only are chests increasingly harder to even open, but even when you do open them, there is little chance you will be rewarded with anything. There are very few legendary skins and even fewer ultimate skins. Compared to the 700+ other skins in the RNG, these "premium cosmetics" you spoke of in your reply are few and far inbetween. I'm not asking for anything crazy like a free skin a week, I'm asking for a fair system.

To be honest, I don't even really care for the suggestion the OP gave, but I do disagree with the fact that Riot gives us tons of free stuff. This isn't a "small indie company" anymore, it's a multi-billion dollar company owned by the biggest game investor in the world.

TLDR: Fix the Hextech crafting system ratios, literally all we need.

IcyPepper1 votes

I can get behind that.

Besteal4 votes

Well hey. I have so many keys I don't know what to do with them. (They're all from the old system of win and get key shards) I have 18 keys and no chests, which is about the opposite of most people I know.

1RiceBowl1x1 votes

Compare how much stuff you can get for free, and the rate at which you can get free stuff in League of Legends. Now compare it to another game like hearthstone. see any big differences?

in league, you can get for free: -champions (at a decently slow rate but its not that slow) -skins (3 promotional free skins + rerolling skin shards, which no one seems to do even though you can get good skins from it) -you can actually play something that is meta without spending money

now take hearthstone -you can get enough gold for one pack without quests through 30 wins (sped up slightly by quests but only one a day) -All alternate heroes (basically skins) cost money with just a few being free promotional stuff **-pay to win players have a pretty big advantage over f2p players (this applies to almost all other free games that actually try to make money) **

Riot gives more for free than you want to admit, and you know it. They already have a higher earning rate for the free currency, and **spending money does not give you gameplay advantages, just cosmetics and maybe extra champions that your probably dont even need
** If Riot was to be like other companies, they would give you zero skins for free, make you spend money for runes, or even make certain items only unlockable with money. However, Riot is not like other companies, and gives the people who spend money only cosmetics, and no impact on the gameplay itself. Riot is already doing the playerbase a huge favor by NOT being like other companies and make us spend money for gameplay advantages.

Honestly Riot spoils us too much to the point where people are begging for more when other companies dont even give as much as Riot.

rtbf2216514121 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=umGm4WBt,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-06-05T17:23:43.860+0000)

A few issues here, that I can see.

  • It's more free stuff. That sounds great, but Riot already gives out a lot of free stuff, and, bluntly, they aren't a charity.

Actually, I would be hesitant to say it is free stuff when you could earn IP before and you can't really earn the 'New IP' now.

KZ Engel3 votes

riot only gives out free stuff when it encourages the purchase of stuff to supplement that free stuff

that's the entire purpose of loot boxes

the existence of keys to open those boxes and the fact that they are given to you in disparity further encourages the purchase of boxes and/or keys.

also, why is this pinned? there's no reason to pin this. and there's no reason to go out of your way to defend riot so much. you're just a mod.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

[{quoted}](name=KZ Engel,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=umGm4WBt,comment-id=00010002,timestamp=2018-06-07T21:57:25.261+0000)also, why is this pinned? there's no reason to pin this.

Normally we pin responses on this board that are official answers to questions, but this one isn't, and shouldn't be pinned. I frankly didn't know it was -- sometimes someone goes through and checks if any comments that SHOULD be pinned weren't, and I think this one got caught up in the pack.

and there's no reason to go out of your way to defend riot so much. you're just a mod.

shrug

If you think that's what it is, sure. It's actually my legitimate opinion though. Would I like more free stuff? Sure, who wouldn't? I just don't think it's unreasonable for us not to get it, and I think there are legitimate reasons not to give more away.

Summonah1236914 votes

And let us NOT get chests with just a tiny bit of BE or one shard of a shitty champion when we get an S grade.

Mcsquzzy8 votes

More blue essence sounds good but only for S+ for a one time per champ that season.

InTheory7 votes

##Morefreestuff

Colgate Gator4 votes

Djinn, you're a brave fellow to go agaisnt the people who always want MORE free stuff, I respect that.

IcyPepper2 votes

Judging by the ones who are getting upvotes are using hyperboles and the ones getting downvotes are actually explaining how things used to be compared to now, I really feel like you just WANT more free stuff and can't really explain why we NEED more free stuff.

You are free to disagree with us, but the massive downvoting without actually explaining your position with logic makes this look more emotionally-based. If you can't explain your position to us players who disagree with you, how do you expect Riot to?

At this point it comes across as begging for free stuff, but no reason why Riot should is given.

JoeMG2 votes

As someone who gets S's a lot and is still missing about 30 champs (playing since S4) some extra BE would be nice.

I Love Thresh1 votes

It's ridiculous how long it takes to farm new champions now.

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