Is it allow to make criticism of how system work in league and here...Do you ever take criticism as chance to improve yourself and game experience for players... Or you just shut people who disagree that system is perfect and players are the only ones who need to improve.???? Do you ever think that some of your rules maybe need changes?Do you ever take suggestions???
ModThe Djinn8 votesIs it allow to make criticism of how system work in league and here?
Absolutely. Just keep your criticism respectful and constructive, basically. Not only is it more board-appropriate, but it's more likely people will take your perspective seriously than if you're ranting or insulting.
Do you ever take criticism as chance to improve yourself and game experience for players?
Always. At least, on the former. I'm not a Riot employee, and so I have no say over the in-game experience.
Or you just shut people who disagree that system is perfect and players are the only ones who need to improve?
Nope. The system isn't perfect. Moderation makes mistakes here and there. We update rules occasionally and frequently discuss the need for additional alterations.
Do you ever think that some of your rules maybe need changes?
Potentially! We put a lot of time into the last pass we did on the rules, but undoubtedly there's room for improvement and additional clarity.
Do you ever take suggestions???
We take suggestions and put out applications for the moderation team from time-to-time, so yes! We listen to pretty much every suggestion we get as well, although we don't necessarily agree with or implement all of them.
ModKnightsKemplar5 votesAbsolutely we take suggestions.
But, most of the rules we have in place are there for a reason. We have, and will, discuss those with people, if they share specific concerns. Please feel free to do so!
As far as criticizing things in game... I think a quick glance at the Gameplay sub-board will show you that we allow plenty of that. There are things that are not allowed; notably, we do not allow harassment of anyone on the forums.
captaincomando14 votes1.Yeah problem is you are the ones who decides what is harassment and what is not and most of the time you abuse that rule because you don't like when someone complain about riot rules... 2.Rule with 0 tolerance on some words like kys and %%%%%% is very very bad...because 1.context does matter( and my case is perfect example-if you want i will show it toyou 2.there will always be people who will abuse this rule to bait others to say those words and then report them... And when i post that discussion here you moderators give me 1 day suspension with ridiculous explanations... And then send me link of discord where i can ask questions .. 3.I don't use discord so why there is no way to personally contact moderator to discuss it with him personally???
rujitra3 votesI've not had a problem with them abusing the rules. Is it possible that what you saw as "complaining" was not actual complaint but was harassment in nature?
The difference between "fuck Riot thiss sucks fire everyone" and "I disagree with X because of (evidence), what are your opinions".
No, hate speech is never acceptable on the boards except in the very limited circumstance of discussing in game policies.
There is no need for you to "discuss personally". Any moderator can review your case if I'm not mistaken, and you have the purple name people who seem to be kind of "supervisors" or appeals. All of which you can accomplish on the boards.
captaincomando12 votesyou have not had a problem because you agree with everything that they say and they do... why would they abuse power on you.... And if I say riot rule about 0 tolerance for some words suck and then give example why it suck ...is that hate speech .... Is it hate speech when I say ''everyone who blindly fallow rules with no questioning logic behind them are slaves " is that hate speech????
rujitra2 votesNo, that's not hate speech. And no, I've not always agreed with Riot or the moderators. But when I disagree I do so in a respectful and constructiva way.
captaincomando11 votesgod bless you
ModKnightsKemplar4 votesWho do you think should decide these things, if not a moderation team? Is there another way to decide what is and isn't harassment, in context?
I disagree. It's important that we have some things where the line is clearly drawn. I think telling someone to kill themselves is unacceptable, regardless of context, and many other people agree with that. It's hardly extreme to have phrases that aren't allowed.
You've done it quite well here! This is a place on the Boards where you can come talk to us any time. We have the discord partially in case people who are currently banned want to come talk to us. It's very convenient for that, among other things.
captaincomando13 votes1.Moderators I agree .but someone need to control your work so you don't abuse power.Like for example my case:
From: Riot Games Hey Vegito101,
Your use of pejorative language, is prohibited on the boards. I would also caution that spelling words, (in this case, a slur) in different ways so as to avoid the boards filter is not permissible on the forums. The use of pejorative language along with other punishments you have received recently warrant a 24-hour suspension.
Your removed content:
For the first point lets just agree that wee disagree . If you can not ban 1 18 run down mid tresh in my game because your system can't detect it ,then there is no sense to ban everyone who use certain word.That is fair from justice....
how can be more harmful if someone says niggga in chat then 0 30 feeder inter who ruins game experience for all...That false political correctness is just to fake ...
Second if you can't help me with this unfair ban then please do not teach me what to do in future...I am not r%%%%%ed
As a result of your actions, we have decided to suspend your Boards account for 24 hours.
Which part of this conversation was harashement or insult???for what I got 1 day ban here??? which part is toxic???
ModKnightsKemplar9 votesThe use of the n-word is not appropriate here. That, by itself, is almost always going to trigger an action. I see that you've used it in making a point that it should be allowed... but it isn't. And you know that from your in-game experience.
I don't control your life. I can't make you take that word entirely out of your vocabulary. I think you should; it's a word that is almost exclusively used as a derogatory term that has no place in civil discussion, imo. But I can't make you.
However, seeing as it's my job to promote an inclusive environment here, I don't think it's unreasonable to have a low tolerance for words such as those. On the Boards, that sort of thing can be controlled, and that's what mods do. If you'd like lighter moderation, there are places that can give you that. But we're going to be heavy handed about hate speech here. I don't see that policy changing anytime soon.
captaincomando12 votescontext does matter...Like you said i was making point i did not insult anyone or harrash anyone....
It is not that you are heavy ,it is that you are unreasonable and you choice to stay like that...
there is nothing heavy there...It is just unreasonable not to watch context when you judge someone...
U blindly fallow rules and what is worst like you said u have no intention to change anything about it...
That is exactly why i made this discussion...
And after you say like you listen suggestions and you make changes... how come when you blindly fallow rules without watching context or any logic
And please do not teach me what to do in real life
ModKnightsKemplar3 votesI don't know how it's blind. I gave very clear reasoning.
This is a shared space. We want anyone who cares about League of Legends, at minimum, to be able to come here and have a discussion. That word, used in any way, is directly in conflict with that goal.
captaincomando11 votesThat word,used any way,is directly in conflict with discussion...Why...???I did not aproove that word or called someone with it...I just use it as example what someone could say in LOL game.. Context does matter and I make mistake, u do not abuse your power...U guys are crazy...
mlm olo mlm2 votesI don't control your life. I can't make you take that word entirely out of your vocabulary. I think you should; it's a word that is almost exclusively used as a derogatory term that has no place in civil discussion, imo. But I can't make you.
You are handing guns to your enemy.
I find it appalling that you are attempting to control the real life of another human being.
However, seeing as it's my job to promote an inclusive environment here,
You aren't promoting an inclusive environment by EXCLUDING people. Your job is literally choosing which people and posts to EXCLUDE from the website.
I don't think it's unreasonable to have a low tolerance for words such as those.
There is a difference between "low tolerance" and "no tolerance". EXCLUDING the word entirely out of your vocabulary is always "no tolerance".
ModKnightsKemplar8 votesI don't control your life. I can't make you... I can't make you
I apologize if it wasn't 100% clear that I am not trying to control anyone's life. I do not, and do not desire to, control your space and your life. But we do control this space, and we think having low tolerance for hate speech is reasonable.
It's low tolerance because it doesn't elicit an instant permanent ban. You can call it whatever you like, but I'm not obligated to change my rhetoric to accommodate your views. No tolerance would be an instant ban; that's how we use those words on the volunteer team, and you can use whatever words you like. Again, I don't control you, nor do I want to. I just want to be clear about what I mean when I speak. So there's your definition. No tolerance = instant perma.
If you choose to engage in behavior that causes you to be banned, you are choosing to exclude yourself from this community. I think that is entirely different than being excluded by hate speech, as that is not a choice that people make. I am much more sympathetic to people who are harassed, rather than the ones doing the harassing, when it comes to who is excluded. You can choose to treat others with respect, and it's not insane to ask this of everyone.
captaincomando12 votesproblem is in a fact that for you everything is hate speech...How context does not matter...Context matters in everything... If i show 0 desire to insult and harrash someone and use simple word to describe what someone may say in certain situation,not aproveing that word yet using it as example and you give me 1 day ban for it....that is not banning hate speech...That is abuse of power .that is unreasonable demonstration of force and lack of desire to understand users... And that is just 1 perfect example how you abuse rules to demonstrate force upon others
ModKnightsKemplar5 votesThe n-word is hate speech. It is widely regarded as hate speech among English-speakers.
Language is a construct. You can do any and all kind of philosophical backflips that you'd like to decide that moderation isn't ethical. That's your prerogative.
But this space is a moderated space, and we are going to moderate hate speech off the forums whenever and wherever we find it. That's the breaks. If you don't like it, there are other internet forums that might be more to your liking.
captaincomando11 votesDude I am not sure you understand meaning of word CONTEXT... There is no point talking with you...I am done with this subject...good luck in your job.
Imperial Pandaa2 votesThere is a reason people told you in the original post with your gane punishment to contact support. Because they would be the ones to tell the context about.
captaincomando11 votesTrue there wise man.That is why I finish with this topic on this forum.yet I must admit it was interesting experience
ModKnightsKemplar2 votesI understand your point, and I feel I have addressed it.
Even if you are not using that word to intentionally belittle someone, it is a word with a history of violent oppression and racism behind it. That is the wider context of the word. You are accusing me of not understanding the context of your in game chat; I am responding by saying that's too small a box. The cultural context you are in makes using that word inappropriate, no matter how you use it.
That is, of course, just my opinion, but the policy exists because of how many people share that opinion.
captaincomando11 voteswell u do sound like honest man ,so I will drop the issue. I no not agree but I can understand your point of view.Goodluck
mlm olo mlm1 votesYou said:
I can't make you take that word entirely out of your vocabulary. I think you should;
You want to change their real life. You suggested they change their real life. That counts as attempting to change their real life.
If you would have instead kept your suggestions to the forums, you would be in a much better position. You moderate the forums. You do not moderate real life.
Do you even understand what I meant by "handing guns to your enemy"?
captaincomando12 votes2.U say context does not matter...Watch my case for which i get 14 days ban because of 0 tolerance on certain words:
Game 1 In-Game captaincomando1: 1 hit captaincomando1: \dont say that you get ban captaincomando1: poewer of kartus captaincomando1: heh Post-Game captaincomando1: i will not report you captaincomando1: coz i undestand you captaincomando1: u are just tiklted captaincomando1: all good my man captaincomando1: but you could get ban captaincomando1: specialy for saying kys captaincomando1: newer use that word in chat mate captaincomando1: it trigger autoban siystem captaincomando1: it was captaincomando1: dont use kys ever captaincomando1: u did once captaincomando1: truste me i have to muche xperience with it captaincomando1: yeah... it hapens
SO me teaching dude not to say kys get me 14 days ban because of 0 tolerance on certain words politics...I did not know at the time that post game is same as game nowdays....
Sukishoo1 votesWell the system in that case cannot tell the difference in the use of kys. If you believe you shouldn't have a ban from it, then it's best to submit a support ticket and they will get back to you better than anyone here can
captaincomando11 votesI know how system works.Thank you for your time.I am here just to show how bad system is and how players need to do something about it.wee need to show riot how bad system is.
Sukishoo1 votesWell they never claimed it was perfect. It's always learning, basically the same way people do. All we can do is report back to them when these things arise and see if anything improves.
captaincomando11 votesThey do not improve it...They can say whatever they want...Problem with intentional feeding stays...Because they do not care... It is one thing when you say I am not perfect and i learn ,but it is completely different when you actually do something about people complaint
Sukishoo1 votesThat's far from true. They are constantly improving the system.
Intentional feeding is something that is perceived differently from person to person. Just because someone has gone 3/12/1 for example doesn't mean it's intentional. That could just be them having a bad game. If they are doing it multiple games in a row however, then it could come across as intentional. When it's reported it gets taken care of it is actually intentional.
captaincomando11 votesI do not know did you hear about group called l9...They are famous in lol community,They are all good players,but somethimes they go intentionaly feed and troll for fun.And one of them wrote made a video of him inting for 15 days strait ...Picking nunu and run down mid...then he show match history where everyone can see he done it for long period of time ..Then he wrote this on his instagram:
"u can intentionaly feed for 15 days strait up and you get 0 punishment,but you wrote 1 word on chat in 1 game and you get 14 days ban,good system you got there Riot''
It is far from true????Go check some videos on youtube... Go see reality and not what someone say to you
Sukishoo1 votesFamous? Lel. Never heard of them. Plus if that is something anyone was really doing they will indeed get caught. I for one report various things in-game all the time and get feedback reports saying that someone has been punished, so it's very unlikely that a punishment wasn't placed.
captaincomando11 votesyeah right...
GreenKnight3 votesHoly cow man, look at the hottest threads on Boards. Critiquing the game is one of the most boardish thing you can do here.
The Highest Noon2 votesI find this question difficult to understand because most of the time mods actually agree with criticism of either the system or the game.
captaincomando11 votessure man.If you say so...
The Highest Noon2 votessure man.If you say so...
I'm just saying. Also, you gotta understand that the majority of the system is created by the players. If something is against the rules, it's because players have said that it's problematic.
captaincomando11 votesAre you sure about that? there is billion players who would love to get rid of intentional feeders in game ,but riot still doesn't have good system to detect them...And that issue is in game for a long time...That tell's me something ,does it to you?
The Highest Noon2 votesAre you sure about that? there is billion players who would love to get rid of intentional feeders in game ,but riot still doesn't have good system to detect them...And that issue is in game for a long time...That tell's me something ,does it to you?
First, how do you discern intentional feeding from unskilled gameplay?
captaincomando11 votesThat is best excuse for not doing anything.It is not so hard to see the difference if you take your time to actualy lock at it ... THere is a group of challanger players in EUW known as L9...They are rely good players.High level.But sometimes they int for fun and content .And 1 of them wrote once :
'U can go 15 days with strait up run down mid and feed and they will not punish you,but use 1 word on chat and you get 14 days ban,very nice system you got there Riot' , And then he show video of him playing nunu mid with exhaust and cleanse ruing down mid and giveing kills under tower to enemy ,and then he show his match history where he did same thing 15 days in a row...And then he get banned because his case got on reddit...
U see my point here???
The Highest Noon2 votesI see what you're getting at but even then there's just not enough information. For starters, how often was he reported, if ever? The system regarding intentional feeding is not automated, There actually has to be reports given by the players, and if players just don't bother then of course he won't be punished. On the other hand, chat is governed by the instant feedback system, but against that still requires reports. His case going to Reddit is just another means of him being reported, too.
You think of it as an excuse, but honestly it's the only thing that matters. It's up to the players to figure out whether or not it's intentional feeding, and if the players do nothing then nothing will happen.
King Lego2 votesHow to criticize the League system. Do: "The system may not be perfect but there are flaws i'd like to state. Sometimes it can be buggy to an extent that a player can be unfairly treated. further more, i have proof to make my point valid."
Don't: "MODERATORS ARE BRONZE BIASED NOOBS AND ARE BIG SNOWFLAKES WHO REMOVE ANYTHING THAT THEY DON'T AGREE!"
That's pretty much it really. [zombie-brand-clap]
captaincomando11 votesWell I agree. .. whatsoever there is lack of critics on System on this forum which is disappointing...Because system is bad to its core .
King Lego1 votesWell I agree. .. whatsoever there is lack of critics on System on this forum which is disappointing...Because system is bad to its core .
That's not the system, that's just a mindset of a community being immature and such.
I never saw comments and posts removed unless it's immature and rude. I've seen posts criticizing the system in a proper way and are still even here.
Vegito1011 votesYeah right.tell me another fairytale
King Lego1 votesYeah right.tell me another fairytale
Sure. We are allowed to call moderators and rioters names, slurs and can bash them however we want and also wish them to be fired and wish death upon them.
You want another fairy tale? Saying "you're a bronze 5 idiot" is the best critic in the history of critics.
You want another fairy tale? I'm Godzilla in a human form. Idk when I'll show my true form. Hell I don't even know if I'm 2014 Godzilla or Shin Godzilla.
Vegito1011 votesGood one u got there
King Lego1 votesGood one u got there
I know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS9J7R6mfhQ
I'm such a scary mofo. Not even Ghidorah can stand a chance against me.
Bob the Toastr1 votesThey always just shut down people the disagree with lol. Countless threads locked for no reason
Imperial Pandaa8 votesJust because you disagree with a reason, does not mean it is no reason.