A racist rant is already bad enough per se and doesn't need to "escalate" to be a problem. Additionally, the level of this problem is such that I believe the proper response should be to delete these threads, not just lock them. A mild response from mods that only comes after a racist rant thread causes consternation and arguments implies that the subsequent arguments, not the racism, were the problem.
Serika Zero5 votesDefine rasism. personally I don't agree with you.
But if rasism is: everything I disagree with. it's not a good idea. So, telling the definition of what you believe is rasism and then ask for that to be deleted would help make your point more clearly.
I still don't agree with deleting stuff but whatever.
The dictionary definition of rasism is: discrimination of others based on race. however, let's take a more relevant example: Iq, Iq is higher on average for assians than for other races. Then there's jews, then there's whites and then there's blacks. and wanting to have let's say all assians team mates means you do not want to have other races. But is that rasism or just maximizing the chances of success based on average Iq. So, without a proper definition of rasism you can't judge the case above.
KFCeytron2 votes[{quoted}](name=Serika Zero,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=79Bez555,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-28T11:40:33.276+0000)
Define rasism. personally I don't agree with you.
But if rasism is: everything I disagree with. it's not a good idea. So, telling the definition of what you believe is rasism and then ask for that to be deleted would help make your point more clearly.
I still don't agree with deleting stuff but whatever.
The dictionary definition of rasism is: discrimination of others based on race. however, let's take a more relevant example: Iq, Iq is higher on average for assians than for other races. Then there's jews, then there's whites and then there's blacks. and wanting to have let's say all assians team mates means you do not want to have other races. But is that rasism or just maximizing the chances of success based on average Iq. So, without a proper definition of rasism you can't judge the case above.
No, racism isn't "everything I disagree with," it's someone ranting about how there are too many characters with a certain skin color which they then insult. Plain old racism.
Serika Zero3 votesCan you be racist towards fictional characters??
KFCeytron3 votesI like how "racism is bad" is currently 10-6.
Janúary2 votesI wholesomely agree and unfortunately happened to be one of the ones that saw that disgusting post by that disgusting human. I also argued with them in replies until they had no space left and were cornered with irrational responses so they stopped typing back. I don't mean to be judgmental but their are people that post that are genuine assholes and that need their garbage opinions to be banned from these boards.
ModJikker2 votesWe have zero tolerance for actual racist comments or anything related to hate speech or racial slurs. If someone is just expressing that they don't think there are enough champions of a certain skin colour in the game and too much of another, that's more racial discussion related to League (which we monitor to make sure it doesn't trend to rule violating content), not necessarily racism.
Do you have a link to the thread you are referring to? I don't know of any recent locks that discuss racial topics.
KFCeytron2 votesWe have zero tolerance for actual racist comments or anything related to hate speech or racial slurs. If someone is just expressing that they don't think there are enough champions of a certain skin colour in the game and too much of another, that's more racial discussion related to League (which we monitor to make sure it doesn't trend to rule violating content), not necessarily racism.
Do you have a link to the thread you are referring to? I don't know of any recent locks that discuss racial topics.
pasty white
oortoomeebreesuu1 votesas a pasty white, I give him the p-word pass.
KFCeytron2 votesWe have zero tolerance for actual racist comments or anything related to hate speech or racial slurs. If someone is just expressing that they don't think there are enough champions of a certain skin colour in the game and too much of another, that's more racial discussion related to League (which we monitor to make sure it doesn't trend to rule violating content), not necessarily racism.
Do you have a link to the thread you are referring to? I don't know of any recent locks that discuss racial topics.
I got no reply from you on my previous post, linking a thread that's just a rant on "pasty white" champions. This is equivalent to a thread complaining about e.g. "dirt black" champions, which I'm pretty sure would not be okay, right? Or would that be acceptable? Is one of these considered racist, neither, or both?
ModJikker1 votesI got no reply from you on my previous post, linking a thread that's just a rant on "pasty white" champions. This is equivalent to a thread complaining about e.g. "dirt black" champions, which I'm pretty sure would not be okay, right? Or would that be acceptable? Is one of these considered racist, neither, or both?
I apologize as I have been very busy in real life and with other things.
The term "pasty white" is definitely not appropriate in my eyes personally. However, I don't read the thread as a racist rant, but rather a thought-out argument regarding having more diverse characters. Stating the number of champions with lighter skin tones versus more diverse tones is not racist as it is merely a statement of fact. And we do allow some discussion of race/gender if it relates to champions and champion design in a respectful or factual way without sparking discussion of real life issues. If it hadn't devolved into negative discussion, I personally would've allowed it to remain open with an edit to the title to remove the offensive terminology. Since it was being locked, I can understand why the moderator choose to not use an edit on the title as the thread would die away soon enough.
KFCeytron1 votesI apologize as I have been very busy in real life and with other things.
The term "pasty white" is definitely not appropriate in my eyes personally. However, I don't read the thread as a racist rant, but rather a thought-out argument regarding having more diverse characters. Stating the number of champions with lighter skin tones versus more diverse tones is not racist as it is merely a statement of fact. And we do allow some discussion of race/gender if it relates to champions and champion design in a respectful or factual way without sparking discussion of real life issues. If it hadn't devolved into negative discussion, I personally would've allowed it to remain open with an edit to the title to remove the offensive terminology. Since it was being locked, I can understand why the moderator choose to not use an edit on the title as the thread would die away soon enough.
So, if I made a thread in SAS complaining about how there are too many "dirt black" or "soot black" champions followed by a thoughtful discussion of Ionian lore and stuff, that would be acceptable for Boards? It's okay to sprinkle in some "inappropriate" racial slurs? Just not, like, too much?
ModJikker2 votesSo, if I made a thread in SAS complaining about how there are too many "dirt black" or "soot black" champions followed by a thoughtful discussion of Ionian lore and stuff, that would be acceptable for Boards? It's okay to sprinkle in some "inappropriate" racial slurs? Just not, like, too much?
That is clearly not what I am saying. If you reread what I wrote prior, I mention specifically that the term "pasty white" by my standard is not appropriate. However, the thread in question used that term once -- in the title -- and I said if it was my choice I'd have edited it out. There was no "sprinkling" of racial slurs like you claim. There was one term use and 15 days ago a mod made the call to lock instead of edit because the thread was getting out of hand.
In fact, I will state I felt that the thread creator was, for the most part, attempting to remain civil despite being called a racist/sexist and accused of racism. Having an opinion that you'd appreciate seeing more diverse champions because there aren't as many unique styles as of late and you are an art student that want to see more art styles for champion design is not a crime nor violation of the rules. Using hate speech, racial slurs, and accusing others of being racist is.
If it would make you feel better, I will go and edit out the offending term from the locked thread's title.
KFCeytron2 votesThat is clearly not what I am saying. If you reread what I wrote prior, I mention specifically that the term "pasty white" by my standard is not appropriate. However, the thread in question used that term once -- in the title -- and I said if it was my choice I'd have edited it out. There was no "sprinkling" of racial slurs like you claim. There was one term use and 15 days ago a mod made the call to lock instead of edit because the thread was getting out of hand.
In fact, I will state I felt that the thread creator was, for the most part, attempting to remain civil despite being called a racist/sexist and accused of racism. Having an opinion that you'd appreciate seeing more diverse champions because there aren't as many unique styles as of late and you are an art student that want to see more art styles for champion design is not a crime nor violation of the rules. Using hate speech, racial slurs, and accusing others of being racist is.
If it would make you feel better, I will go and edit out the offending term from the locked thread's title.
Once per thread isn't "sprinkling"? Someone could make a thread about "soot black" champions one day, and then "phlegm brown" champions the next, as long as they space it out evenly? Racial slurs are zero-tolerance to Riot in-game, but once per thread is okay on Boards?
I don't think attempting to remain civil after making a racial slur is as laudable as you make it sound.
Labeling everyone of a certain skin color with a derogatory term like "pasty" is the definition of a racial slur.
I realize I'm being somewhat argumentative/confrontational here, but I feel pretty strongly about this sort of thing (which includes sexism, by the way, which seems to get a pass on Boards as well when it's directed towards men).
Minimac20001 votesI'd say it depends on the thread, like if someone is posting unadulterated hate, sure remove that as soon as you can by all means please. I didn't see the thing in question, so I don't doubt it was bad. But also there is a thin line of posts that may super offend one person but still give rise to a genuine and civil discussion, so let the mods do their thing, bc if we just instadeleted every thread we didn't like we wouldn't have a boards bc everything is offensive to someone and that's sadly just a fact of life
Have a nice day! (Unless you are a dirty 
main) :)
KFCeytron1 votesI'd say it depends on the thread, like if someone is posting unadulterated hate, sure remove that as soon as you can by all means please. I didn't see the thing in question, so I don't doubt it was bad. But also there is a thin line of posts that may super offend one person but still give rise to a genuine and civil discussion, so let the mods do their thing, bc if we just instadeleted every thread we didn't like we wouldn't have a boards bc everything is offensive to someone and that's sadly just a fact of life Have a nice day! (Unless you are a dirty
Like, someone insulting a specific skin color and attaching unflattering epithets to it, then saying they're "tired" of it. Do you think that could be a genuine and civil discussion? Because there was such a thread recently, and it wasn't. It was allowed to stay open until it "escalated" and got locked, like racism is okay but arguing about it needs some moderation.
BladeSteel2 votes“Its not racist if its about whites” is what people say. Dont agree with it but thats what people say.
BobaFlautist1 votesSo based on the subsequent comments, op was upset by a thread talking about how many characters are white? Because if that's the case, that's not racism, that's not how that works.
EvilDustMan1 votesAs a pasty white guy, there are too many pasty white champions, yes.
ModUlanopo1 votesLabeling everyone of a certain skin color with a derogatory term like "pasty" is the definition of a racial slur.
Derogatory is a matter of degree. In this case you're attempting to create an equivalence between a term that holds little to no value as a slur with terms that have centuries of racial animus slathered all over them.
I read the thread. You're focusing entirely on that one adjective to the exclusion of everything else the author wrote and that's a mistake. We would moderate "soot black champion" exactly the same way we would "pasty white", which is by analyzing the post for context and intent.
As an interesting exercise, why don't you go back to that thread and reread it, trying your best to simply ignore the one word that incenses you so. I think you'll find ideas in there worth exploring. I know I did.
KFCeytron2 votesDerogatory is a matter of degree. In this case you're attempting to create an equivalence between a term that holds little to no value as a slur with terms that have centuries of racial animus slathered all over them.
I read the thread. You're focusing entirely on that one adjective to the exclusion of everything else the author wrote and that's a mistake. We would moderate "soot black champion" exactly the same way we would "pasty white", which is by analyzing the post for context and intent.
As an interesting exercise, why don't you go back to that thread and reread it, trying your best to simply ignore the one word that incenses you so. I think you'll find ideas in there worth exploring. I know I did.
"Why was I banned for inting? I ended up carrying."
Racial slurs are still not okay even when they piggypack on inoffensive content. What I'm reading here is that Boards moderation does not agree with that assessment, and will tolerate racism in low concentrations.
Derogatory is a matter of degree. In this case you're attempting to create an equivalence between a term that holds little to no value as a slur with terms that have centuries of racial animus slathered all over them.
Or when it's against white people, I guess. Because that somehow makes it a different degree, and that's fine, even though it isn't zero.
Just a little bit of racism.
Against white people.
Okay.
ModUlanopo2 votes"Why was I banned for inting? I ended up carrying."
Racial slurs are still not okay even when they piggypack on inoffensive content. What I'm reading here is that Boards moderation does not agree with that assessment, and will tolerate racism in low concentrations.
Or when it's against white people, I guess. Because that somehow makes it a different degree, and that's fine, even though it isn't zero.
Just a little bit of racism.
Against white people.
Okay.
It wasn't a racial slur. Once again, you're trying to create a false equivalence by choosing to ignore obvious distinctions. All that post was about is how common and easy - and therefore boring - it is to draw white people.
KFCeytron1 votesIt wasn't a racial slur. Once again, you're trying to create a false equivalence by choosing to ignore obvious distinctions. All that post was about is how common and easy - and therefore boring - it is to draw white people.
If you think it wasn't a racial slur at all, there's no point to this conversation. Enjoy your day.