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KFCeytron··7 votes·2,314 views
  1. person posts a sexist rant
  2. I express dissatisfaction about the sexism
  3. person tells me to "suck it"
  4. I express dissatisfaction about the immaturity
  5. person tells me to "shove my comments up my ass," among other things
  6. a mod agrees with this post and cheers them on
  7. a different mod in Discord tells me I'm to blame for the harassment I'm getting, because I started it, and they'll have to discuss the situation with the mod team, because it's really hard to figure out what's happening here
  8. person seeks out my posts that aren't directed at them and replies just to keep the argument going

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11 Comments

Hotarµ6 votes

I highly doubt any of that happened. If you're going to make outrageous-sounding claims like that, you need to provide proof.

Speaking from personal experience, I've never seen an unjust removal or treatment of others. Some passive-aggressive comments here and there, but that's about it.

Obviously that doesn't mean they're always right and of course I'll stick by the hard facts that are presented, but as of right now everything you're saying is nothing more than hearsay.

KFCeytron2 votes

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I highly doubt any of that happened. If you're going to make outrageous-sounding claims like that, you need to provide proof.

Speaking from personal experience, I've never seen an unjust removal or treatment of others. Some passive-aggressive comments here and there, but that's about it.

Obviously that doesn't mean they're always right and of course I'll stick by the hard facts that are presented, but as of right now everything you're saying is nothing more than hearsay.

Can do!

Hotarµ12 votes

I'll address these points in order just to keep things clean.


##1 - "Sexist rant"

Yeah, I think that the OP, Sexual Girl, brings up some valid points.

It's a well-known fact that the League of Legends community is very heavily male-dominated and as a result, females will have to put up with more BS in general just because they're the minority. It's not sexist to comment on that disparity, it may not be correct, per se, but it's definitely not sexist to try to link their mistreatment (/a misunderstanding) to a common problem that females face while gaming.

If you want to dispute that, do it by linking articles, sharing anecdotal examples, and/or surveys, not by saying _"you're lying and you're sexist." _


##2 - "Dissatisfaction"

Not really sure what to comment on, here.

Whether I agree or disagree with Sexual Girl's points and her method of making them, you didn't do anything but claim she was lying. All you did was claim that her arguments were spurious and that she was a hypocrite. Not saying you can't do that, but if you're going to, you should probably add some actual points and constructive arguments to flesh it out more.


##3 - "SUCK IT!!!"

I'm pretty sure this was just a joke and/or you're reading too much into it.

It's obvious that Sexual Girl was excited about her positive outcome, so she wanted to rub it in the face of those who disagreed with her. I definitely don't think it's negative enough to warrant removal and it wasn't directed at a specific player, so it doesn't exactly constitute harassment.


##4 - "Dissatisfaction 2"

I don't really see the need to comment this in the first place, to be honest. Just kind of pointless IMO.

If nothing came of the first conversation, just dead it and move on. If you're going to make a backhanded comment like this, expect someone to not take kindly to it. (read below before you comment on this point)


##5 - "Shove it up your ass"

I agree that this was over the line. Regardless of the comments, SG was a little too insulting here.

Still, I'd say a negative response was expected given that you still haven't done anything but call her a hypocrite and liar.


##6 - "Mod Cheers"

Personally, I read it as Rowanstar referring to the moderator comments, not the "shove it up your ass" comment. I will admit though, again, you haven't done anything except for call her a hypocrite and liar, so it was expected that you'd get a negative response.

If you thought this was out of line, that's something to take to the Discord and talk to a Herald about, which I assume you've already done/are in the process of doing now.


##7 - "Seeking out a reply"

Yeah, this is where you completely lose me.

Dude, if you're going to claim that someone is a liar and/or hypocrite, back it up with evidence and discredit them with your constructive arguments. The only person you ended up discrediting was yourself. You made a comment saying someone was a liar/hypocrite, followed them to their celebration post to make a backhanded comment, then took shots at the moderator who applauded her for not letting you walk over them.

I really don't think you have much of an argument here, to be completely honest. Sexual Girl's post wasn't sexist in any way, she didn't direct the "suck it" comment towards a specific user, and you didn't have to follow her to that post just to respond with more negativity and non-points.


#Edit: And to add one more thing: You claiming that the moderators allow sexism, racism, and harassment probably doesn't help your case.

KFCeytron3 votes

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I'll address these points in order just to keep things clean.


##1 - "Sexist rant"

Yeah, I think that the OP, Sexual Girl, brings up some valid points.

It's a well-known fact that the League of Legends community is very heavily male-dominated and as a result, females will have to put up with more BS in general just because they're the minority. It's not sexist to comment on that disparity, it may not be correct, per se, but it's definitely not sexist to try to link their mistreatment (/a misunderstanding) to a common problem that females face while gaming.

If you want to dispute that, do it by linking articles, sharing anecdotal examples, and/or surveys, not by saying _"you're lying and you're sexist." _


I've played close to 10k games and can't recall a single instance of the BS you describe. I don't doubt that it exists, but I don't think it's widespread enough to just blame all males. There was no evidence that the name was reported by a man. They just assumed it was, and then dumped some insults.

##2 - "Dissatisfaction"

Not really sure what to comment on, here.

Whether I agree or disagree with Sexual Girl's points and her method of making them, you didn't do anything but claim she was lying. All you did was claim that her arguments were spurious and that she was a hypocrite. Not saying you can't do that, but if you're going to, you should probably add some actual points and constructive arguments to flesh it out more.


The argument was spurious. There was no evidence that a male was responsible for the name change flag, and assuming it was a male with no evidence is sexism.

##3 - "SUCK IT!!!"

I'm pretty sure this was just a joke and/or you're reading too much into it.

It's obvious that Sexual Girl was excited about her positive outcome, so she wanted to rub it in the face of those who disagreed with her. I definitely don't think it's negative enough to warrant removal and it wasn't directed at a specific player, so it doesn't exactly constitute harassment.


Yes, and every time I insult someone, it is also "just a joke"! We are all just joking. So it's okay. The mods can all go home.

It was directed at every player who didn't fawn over her, and it wasn't difficult to locate those players in the other threads.

##4 - "Dissatisfaction 2"

I don't really see the need to comment this in the first place, to be honest. Just kind of pointless IMO.

If nothing came of the first conversation, just dead it and move on. If you're going to make a backhanded comment like this, expect someone to not take kindly to it. (read below before you comment on this point)


Does "just dead it" mean "just tolerate the mistreatment"? Is "how mature" such a terrible comment?

##5 - "Shove it up your ass"

I agree that this was over the line. Regardless of the comments, SG was a little too insulting here.

Still, I'd say a negative response was expected given that you still haven't done anything but call her a hypocrite and liar.


A little, eh?

What other feedback should I be expected to give when someone insults my entire gender without cause, and then narrows her focus to me specifically? When there's something positive to say, I'll happily s

##6 - "Mod Cheers"

Personally, I read it as Rowanstar referring to the moderator comments, not the "shove it up your ass" comment. I will admit though, again, you haven't done anything except for call her a hypocrite and liar, so it was expected that you'd get a negative response.

If you thought this was out of line, that's something to take to the Discord and talk to a Herald about, which I assume you've already done/are in the process of doing now.


Rowanstar said it was "awesome" and specifically referred to the "water" portion. This means that he saw the whole thing (it was quoted in his post) and particularly liked the initially-posted version.

And yes, the mod I spoke to said they'll discuss it with the other mods. Which, of course, means the round file.

##7 - "Seeking out a reply"

Yeah, this is where you completely lose me.

Dude, if you're going to claim that someone is a liar and/or hypocrite, back it up with evidence and discredit them with your constructive arguments. The only person you ended up discrediting was yourself. You made a comment saying someone was a liar/hypocrite, followed them to their celebration post to make a backhanded comment, then took shots at the moderator who applauded her for not letting you walk over them.

I really don't think you have much of an argument here, to be completely honest. Sexual Girl's post wasn't sexist in any way, she didn't direct the "suck it" comment towards a specific user, and you didn't have to follow her to that post just to respond with more negativity and non-points.


#Edit: And to add one more thing: You claiming that the moderators allow sexism, racism, and harassment probably doesn't help your case.

How did I lose you? I had evidence, which I provided. They assumed they were reported by men with no justification, then insulted my gender, per se. That is sexism. Then they complained about sexism. That is hypocrisy.

I responded to Rowanstar, and SG decided to jump in and start in on me. I specifically replied to RS and not her because that didn't appear to be a good use of my time.

The post was sexist. The "suck it" comment was directed toward all users who didn't fully support her. I didn't have to post in any of her threads; I don't have to post at all - no one does - but I can, and I do. A simple "how mature" does not excuse being told to shove my comments up my ass.

I provided 100% solid evidence for everything, as you demanded (after calling me a liar, but that's okay, I forgive you; a good dose of skepticism is healthy). Dismissing it as "non-points" does not change the evidence and is not an argument.

Moderators do allow sexism, racism, and harassment. That is documented. They excuse it by claiming that it doesn't exist.

PandaskinBen1 votes

I know a fact can be proven or disproven, but I feel belief would be a better term. That is mostly because we can't get access to accurate data involving female to male ratio in League. On a whole aspect of gaming in general, yes, females are typically the minority except in France and Japan depending on recording year, I guess.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_video_games#Demographics_of_female_players

A few cases go beyod 60:40 type ratio; but more are within it.

Colonel J4 votes

I demand justice.

I would never get away with telling other users to shove it up their [behind].

PandaskinBen1 votes

What if you were telling someone how to do the "Thousand Years of Pain" Jutsu?

AeroWaffle2 votes

If you go out of your way to piss off and insult moderators don't be surprised if they take notice of your infractions more often since you're literally going out of your way to have your comments noticed by them.

And like the game, more leniency should be given to those that haven't already broke the rules several times in the past. If you repeatably have broken the rules and continue to do so you're not as likely to be given the benefit of the doubt.

KFCeytron2 votes

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If you go out of your way to piss off and insult moderators don't be surprised if they take notice of your infractions more often since you're literally going out of your way to have your comments noticed by them.

And like the game, more leniency should be given to those that haven't already broke the rules several times in the past. If you repeatably have broken the rules and continue to do so you're not as likely to be given the benefit of the doubt.

This is good general advice. However, I don't see what any of it has to do with me, so it's a bit of a non sequitur. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Gamer Life2 votes

{quoted}

  1. person posts a sexist rant
  2. I express dissatisfaction about the sexism
  3. person tells me to "suck it"
  4. I express dissatisfaction about the immaturity
  5. person tells me to "shove my comments up my ass," among other things
  6. a mod agrees with this post and cheers them on
  7. a different mod in Discord tells me I'm to blame for the harassment I'm getting, because I started it, and they'll have to discuss the situation with the mod team, because it's really hard to figure out what's happening here
  8. person seeks out my posts that aren't directed at them and replies just to keep the argument going

We have the best mod team ever. They are astute, insightful, fair, and unbiased.

Yep and it looks like no Riot staff member want to deal with the mods who are just power mad

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