Master Yi Alpha Strike is glitching

Parapsychology·Jun 14, 2015·2 votes·1,313 views

So spells like Lissandra's** Ice Shard**, Ring of Frost, Spells like VI's** Vault Breaker** are hitting me even though i am in mid Alpha Strike, the spell claims Yi is 'temporarily untargetable' ... so how are spells like Rengar's Bola Strike or Rek Sai's Prey Seeker targetting me even though I am clicking Alpha Strike at a time where the spell should be dodged.

Is this a glitch or just poor programming in their choice of wording?

For a champion who relies on one spell so singularly in a meta that is so anti-melee; can Yi please get some lovin' for once? :(

14 Comments

KougaJun 15, 20152 votes

Definition of Untargetable:

Untargetable refers to champions in a state where targeted spells such as Rammus's Puncturing Taunt and LeBlanc's Sigil of Malice cannot be cast on the untargetable champion, and nontargeted spells such as Karthus's Requiem will have no effect; an exception being Soraka's Wish. Additionally, they cannot be targeted by auto attacks.

This does not make them invulnerable

It further explains for "Dash" states of Untargetable, such as Yi, Zed's Ult, Malphite's Twisted Advance:

Dashes Projectiles (autoattacks or abilities) that are mid-flight when the character starts dashing will hit when the dash completes. They still take damage from DoTs while untargetable and all CC is delayed until the ability finishes casting.

At least for things like Lissandra's it explains it; the CC will take effect through the "Dash", and I believe that AoEs will still deal damage. They aren't "targeting" you, which is the only thing it is actually doing. Something like Requiem is considered like a global, multi-target "Targeted" spell, so it can still avoid that.

ParapsychologyJun 15, 20151 votes

Thank you for this. I still think riot should use words in the English dictionary and not using pseudo-words. They should say "Yi becomes immune to targeted spells" but NOT aoe spells. There still are a few things not fully explained through your reponse; after teemo casts his blinding dart, Master Yi can dodge it if he times it correctly. How come this isn't the case with Nautilus's ultimate? I tried timing it and I alpha-striked right before it reached to me, but right when i came back into view, the ult reappeared and activated on me. It's just poor programming, the spell needs to be fixed.

Also, i asked for a definitive definition. One that can be included in all the champions with a spell listing them as "untargetable". This is not the case with your definition. Because Lissandra's snare does not effect Fizz during his "untargetable" phase, however Master Yi still gets snared. This contradicts clarity; something Riot claims is their "main focus" in balancing and tuning champions. Same goes for Zed.. he can dodge Lissandra's aoe spell while in his untargetable form, Master Yi, again.. cannot. Do you see my issue here, Kouga? Yorick

KougaJun 15, 20151 votes

Sure I see your issue. Part of it is elements not being clearly explained by Riot. Part of it is elements not being understood by players. More often than not, except in the case of true glitches/bugs, most interactions obey a set of rules - by definition, the interactions themselves are logical but they have complex layers that certainly make them seem more confusing until you research them.

Why does Fizz escape the snare? Because Fizz is in a state of "Partial Invulnerability", in which projectiles that are started before or during the effect are ignored. However, DoT's are not. So Ignite can still kill Vlad and Fizz even in their "Untargetable" state.

There is an argument that Riot should have something within their site or client that makes all of these rules clear. Part of it is the difficulty of explaining the interactions of 120+ individual Champions each with 4+ abilities interacting with each other.

Regardless of how it should be, that is just how it is. For starts, you might look at the Wiki page for "Untargetable" for a more thorough explanation. The Wiki is a good resource for researching very specific interactions of abilities.

KougaJun 15, 20151 votes

Also, you said

They should say "Yi becomes immune to targeted spells" but NOT aoe spells.

However that also is poorly phrased. Saying he is "Immune" to "Targeted spells" is also incorrect because, as stated above, Projectiles (autoattacks or abilities) that are mid-flight when the character starts dashing will hit when the dash completes.

Which might explain Yi was hit by Naut's Ultimate. It is a projectile (sorta) that seeks its target, so it might have continued to track him until it could "hit" him. I can't say 100%, and certainly there are times when the game flat out glitches and does not obey the stated rules.

Shit happens.

ParapsychologyJun 15, 20151 votes

LOL shit happens, exactly xD, just ask AP Shaco ultimates when enemies think they're about to get a kill and BAM, life just happened!

Anyways though, with the Fizz idea:

"ACTIVE: Fizz hops onto his trident in a nearby location, becoming untargetable for 0.75 seconds and gaining the ability to use Trickster for no additional cost before the effect ends."

Nowhere does it say anything about being invulnerable, Kouga... :/

Why does Master Yi get the short end of this stick. Yes i understand DoT's will work and what not, but NO champion should be affected by any AoE spell during a time of being 'untargetable' i guess the question to ask here is what does untargetable mean? Since there is no clear definition in Webster's dictionary, implying it's a pseudo-word made up by Riot, one may ask is it either A.) The champion is not able to be targeted by targetable spells like let's say a Vayne condemn or Teemo's blinding shot or B.) The Champion is simply immune to being damaged by any targetable spell, obviously it can't be B because ignite and Dot's effect the champion during periods of 'untargetable'. We're in a catch22 here...

I think that this whole idea can easily get complicated, which is where it's going right now. All i ask is that riot simply allows Master Yi to dodge Lissandra's snare and like spells. I hate being hit by Sej's knock up even though i JUST pressed my Alpha Strike.. it just makes no logical sense, because Fizz isn't affected by these spells during his 'untargetable' phase as well. It would only be fair :P

Communist ToastJun 14, 20151 votes

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So spells like Lissandra's** Ice Shard**, Ring of Frost, Spells like VI's** Vault Breaker** are hitting me even though i am in mid Alpha Strike, the spell claims Yi is 'temporarily untargetable' ... so how are spells like Rengar's Bola Strike or Rek Sai's Prey Seeker targetting me even though I am clicking Alpha Strike at a time where the spell should be dodged.

Is this a glitch or just poor programming in their choice of wording?

For a champion who relies on one spell so singularly in a meta that is so anti-melee; can Yi please get some lovin' for once? :(

I am no expert, but AoEs can always hit people that are "untargetable" I believe.

just like when LB's passive goes off where she splits in twins and I cast my mumu ult, I can still kill LB even though I can't see her

aaronautumnJun 14, 20151 votes

she's only invisible, not untargetable

Communist ToastJun 15, 20151 votes

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she's only invisible, not untargetable

ahh true

HellpyreJun 15, 20151 votes

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true, but I am pretty sure her ability says untargetable. could be wrong though

You are incorrect there. It does not.

ParapsychologyJun 15, 20151 votes

That right there is clarity, you are simply invisible, so it's obvious all spells can hit you while in stealth, so how come i am still being hit by some spells when i'm in a mid alpha strike, where my champion is not visible to anyone, including myself.. wish i could get some upvotes because riot needs to be aware of this issue. Yorick

HellpyreJun 15, 20151 votes

OP, just to clarify, when you say mid-Alpha Strike, you mean during the period when Yi is no longer visible on the map, correct? Because last time I played Yi, Alpha Strike, I was able to dodge those and other abilities.

ParapsychologyJun 15, 20151 votes

The issue is the word untargetable isn't a word. Riot needs to brush up on their dictionary because this leads to clarity issues. The word that should be used is immune, and if riot doesn't want them immune to these spells, there needs to be clarification because all too many times i am being screwed over in a very tight situation because a Lissandra or a Sej was able to hit me with one of their AoE spells even though i'm apparently 'untargetable' what does untargetable even mean. Anyone know any website that gives a definitive definition for what 'untargetable' means?

ParapsychologyJun 15, 20151 votes

Ahh i love getting downvoted even though the downvoter clearly has no idea what they are doing or even talking about... must be just some Yi-Hater-Troll... Fiora Tryndamere