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Master Yi Alpha Strike Bug

Parapsychology··1 votes·1,938 views

I am a long time Master Yi player. Jumping around silver and gold elo. Until recently i have been happy with Yi's performance and bug fixes over the years... up until now.

Let me clarify: The spell --ALPHA STRIKE-- reads as follows:

Master Yi becomes untargetable and leaps to strike up to 4 enemies, dealing physical damage to each and dealing additional damage to minions and monsters.

So okay, Yi becomes untargetable when he performs his --Alpha Strike-- right? WRONG!!!!! This is extremely misleading; only non-aoe spells will Yi become untargetable of. What makes this even more frustrating is when champions such as Fizz and Zed both have 'untargetable' spells but yet are untargetable to ALL spells. Don't even get me started on Vladimir...

Solution..? Well, there's three. You guys at riot games could either A. simply fix this Master Yi programming disaster so he is in alignment with your definition of 'untargetable' in terms of Fizz and Zed spells. B. Turn Zed's ult and Fizz's playful/trickster into only non-aoe untargetable, so they fall back to Master Yi's poor definition of 'untargetable' or C. edit the wording in Master Yi's --Alpha Strike-- to no longer mislead the summoner into thinking he becomes untargetable for all spells, when clearly he doesn't when i died to a Sion's Decimating Smash while mid Alpha Strike.

(Preferably not C :/ )

If 'CLARITY' really is a prime concern for Riot in determining game balance, then why use words that are technically not even words. Untargetable? It isn't even a word.

It is beyond frustrating, for us hungry Master Yi players to make plays in a ranged dominated tank-infused environment, but to fix this programming laziness to bring Master Yi back in alignment with other 'untargetable' spells, allowing the really skilled Master Yi's new windows of engagement and disengagement to show what Wuju-style is all about.

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely, A concerned Master Yi player.

17 Comments

Vicvictorw2 votes

"Untargetable" does not mean "invulnerable."

It simply means you cannot be clicked on for single-target spells/autoattacks, and is therefore entirely accurate in its description.

Additionally, Fizz, Zed, and Vladimir all cannot get out of a Fiddlesticks' drain with their abilities.

Parapsychology1 votes

When did i say anything about invulnerable? I am referring to the targeting of spells.

Fizz, Zed and Vladimir ALL are immune to aoe spells when they are in their 'untargetable' form.

When Yi is in his 'untargetable' form he still gets hit by AOE spells.

What's there not to understand?

Vicvictorw2 votes

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When did i say anything about invulnerable? I am referring to the targeting of spells.

Fizz, Zed and Vladimir ALL are immune to aoe spells when they are in their 'untargetable' form.

When Yi is in his 'untargetable' form he still gets hit by AOE spells.

What's there not to understand?

The part where you appear to completely miss the meaning of "untargetable."

So okay, Yi becomes untargetable when he performs his --Alpha Strike-- right? WRONG!!!!! This is extremely misleading; only non-aoe spells will Yi become untargetable of.

AoE spells don't target anything.

I get what you're saying from the post overall, but that's rather poorly written.

Parapsychology1 votes

Cool dude, criticize me on my writing ability because you can no longer hold up your original argument.

Trundle ALERT Trundle ALERT!!!

Fizz, Vlad, and Zed. ALL of the spells that put them in the 'untargetable' department ALL become immune to AOE spells. Yi does not. It's that simple.

Just for once, try not to complicate something in your life. I see from your post history you like to debate people on religion.. on a computer game forum.. your life must be pretty boring.

Vicvictorw, don't post on my board anymore because all you add is information that really doesn't do anything for anyone. I am trying to get Riot to review a bug issue and when people like you down vote my post with no reason why, other than to be a dick head, really shows what's wrong with this gaming community.

Vicvictorw2 votes

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Cool dude, criticize me on my writing ability because you can no longer hold up your original argument.

Trundle ALERT Trundle ALERT!!!

Fizz, Vlad, and Zed. ALL of the spells that put them in the 'untargetable' department ALL become immune to AOE spells. Yi does not. It's that simple.

Just for once, try not to complicate something in your life. I see from your post history you like to debate people on religion.. on a computer game forum.. your life must be pretty boring.

Vicvictorw, don't post on my board anymore because all you add is information that really doesn't do anything for anyone. I am trying to get Riot to review a bug issue and when people like you down vote my post with no reason why, other than to be a dick head, really shows what's wrong with this gaming community.

If anything my comments are just bumping this to the top for more visibility. I agree with what you're trying to say, but legit thought you were just confused about the difference between "untargetable" and "invulnerable."

I can agree that the "untargetable" state could use a little more consistency; Riot's actually brought up that the term might be inaccurate when used for Fizz, Zed, and Vladimir. They might need to be changed before Yi's skill description was to change. This wording does not mean that the fact that Yi is hit with AoEs is a bug. He's always worked that way.

Just a bit of advice; I know you're a Master Yi player, but please keep the god complex in check. Good lord.

Parapsychology1 votes

So just because "He's always worked that way," that justifies its existence and functionality? You make zero sense.

Akenero1 votes

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Cool dude, criticize me on my writing ability because you can no longer hold up your original argument.

Trundle ALERT Trundle ALERT!!!

Fizz, Vlad, and Zed. ALL of the spells that put them in the 'untargetable' department ALL become immune to AOE spells. Yi does not. It's that simple.

Just for once, try not to complicate something in your life. I see from your post history you like to debate people on religion.. on a computer game forum.. your life must be pretty boring.

Vicvictorw, don't post on my board anymore because all you add is information that really doesn't do anything for anyone. I am trying to get Riot to review a bug issue and when people like you down vote my post with no reason why, other than to be a dick head, really shows what's wrong with this gaming community.

Youre so ignorant its endearing. Have fun with your "untargetable" bullshit #fiora

Ice Weasel X2 votes

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If 'CLARITY' really is a prime concern for Riot in determining game balance, then why use words that are technically not even words. Untargetable? It isn't even a word.

Sure it is.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/target

Related forms targetable, adjective targetless, adjective untargetable, adjective untargeted, adjective

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/targetable

targetable adjective tar·get·able \ˈtär-gə-tə-bəl
Definition of TARGETABLE

: capable of being aimed at a target <missiles with targetable warheads>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/un-

un- prefix \ˌən, often ˈən before ˈ-stressed syllable
Definition of UN- 1 : not : in-, non- —in adjectives formed from adjectives <unambitious> <unskilled> or participles <undressed>, in nouns formed from nouns <unavailability>, and rarely in verbs formed from verbs <unbe> —sometimes in words that have a meaning that merely negates that of the base word and are thereby distinguished from words that prefix in- or a variant of it (as im-) to the same base word and have a meaning positively opposite to that of the base word <unartistic> <unmoral>

2 : opposite of : contrary to —in adjectives formed from adjectives <unconstitutional> <ungraceful> <unmannered> or participles <unbelieving> and in nouns formed from nouns <unrest>

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Cool dude, criticize me on my writing ability because you can no longer hold up your original argument.

Oh, the irony. You criticize Riot on their use of "false" words that are actually valid, then get upset with someone who points out that your wording is weak.

Parapsychology1 votes

I mean it's definitely clever how you can copy/paste a bunch of definitions, but the facts still remain; 'untargetable' is not a word. You gave the definition of targetable and the prefix 'un'. You were unable to provide an actual definitive sentence that proves 'untargetable' is a word.

Did you not notice how every time you went to type 'untargetable' it had the red underlining, meaning the website thinks there's a typo in it, therefore implying it isn't a word via the forum's spell checker. So are you saying the spellchecker is wrong now? LOL. The word is not a word in the English language. It is that simple.

The whole issue of "Clairty' would be fixed in this discussion if Riot simply used a real word, with more definitive grounding to what it actually means.

Ice Weasel X1 votes

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I mean it's definitely clever how you can copy/paste a bunch of definitions, but the facts still remain; 'untargetable' is not a word. You gave the definition of targetable and the prefix 'un'. You were unable to provide an actual definitive sentence that proves 'untargetable' is a word.

Dictionaries don't need to provide sentences for all variants of words. They often give an example for a base definition, then list examples of valid modifications of the word. That is what dictionary.com did with adjective forms of target.

Did you not notice how every time you went to type 'untargetable' it had the red underlining, meaning the website thinks there's a typo in it, therefore implying it isn't a word via the forum's spell checker. So are you saying the spellchecker is wrong now? LOL. The word is not a word in the English language. It is that simple.

You really don't understand how dictionaries work, do you? Dictionaries generally do not contain every word in their target languages. Unabridged dictionaries are not the standard, and even those may miss entries. When it comes to dictionaries used for spellcheckers, developers use fairly limited versions. In some cases, such as with older text-enabled phones, this is due to storage limitations. For others, it's for performance. Other times, it's simply a matter of whether it's "good enough" for functionality. It's simply not time or effort efficient to track down every possible word in a language just to ensure 100% compliance in a low-priority convenience feature. The dictionary on this computer doesn't even recognize "colour" (British) as an acceptable alternate for "color" (American). This is inconsistent, as it only recognizes "doughnut" (British), and not "donut" (American).

The whole issue of "Clairty' would be fixed in this discussion if Riot simply used a real word, with more definitive grounding to what it actually means.

Your spellchecker didn't correct your misspelling of "Clarity," or you didn't believe it. Just saying.

Parapsychology1 votes

Still waiting for a logical explanation on this matter instead of trolling just downvoting my post. I suppose this is why i'm right; none of you can give me a true reason behind this issue.

rufioswrath1 votes

So if someone goes invisible does that mean I still can't do damage to them if I can't see them? No, I can do damage to them if I aim in their general vicinity with my AOE ability. Same thing goes for Yi, you can do damage in an area where he is but you cannot target him during his Q.

Parapsychology1 votes

But name another spell that specifically states "becomes untargetable" ... it's either, "becomes invisible" or "becomes invulnerable" for such an such time... I just think the overall mechanic itself of Master YI's Q is very singled-out in that it is very unique but should become either A. a temporary invisibility upon Alpha Striking for the spells duration, or B. re-design Alpha Strike stating that it gives Master Yi temporary invulnerbility. Of course being a Master Yi player, i have the biased opinion of wanting B. But is it too much to ask? I mean look at his win rate right now... just a slight buff in modification to his Alpha Strike mechanic would surely give him the little boost he needs to be a major threat again when he's fed.

Sometimes i don't like getting early kills and becoming an early known threat by the other team, the other team then knows, 'okay lets just play super defensive now and not give the fed Yi any advantage or room for engage'. In a way, being fed early as Yi is a death sentence to your own team, because all too often my team just goes into full retard mode feeding the other team and i have to just sit and watch in agony as my team rages me for not "engaging"... The only other champion i can really think of that suffers from this inherent weakness is Nasus, but he has tankiness so he can counter the self destructive aspects of being fed. Giving Master Yi a slight window of TRUE UNTARGETABILITY (is that even a word) to be able to ACTUALLY engage when fed... if this invulnerbility aspect on an Assassin seems too broken (Fizz, cough cough) then maybe it should be the option of A, passively, then when Master Yi ults, his Alpha Strike goes into an improved form where the B option i stated in the earlier paragraph becomes activated.

TLDR; Master Yi is extremely single-purposed. His job is to blow stuff up as soon as possible, which will happen, but more often than not, at the cost of his own life. He has become the new and unimproved version of Rengar, but Rengar at least has a strong self-heal mechanic to save him at low health, casting Meditate when he's super lower more than often just bites him in the behind because it's maxed last AND he could've healed for just as much by stacking lifesteal, sustaining some damage, while also DEALING damage... he's just an extremely contradictory champion in terms of overall League kit design and could really use an Alpha Strike buff.

rufioswrath1 votes

{quoted}

But name another spell that specifically states "becomes untargetable" ... it's either, "becomes invisible" or "becomes invulnerable" for such an such time... I just think the overall mechanic itself of Master YI's Q is very singled-out in that it is very unique but should become either A. a temporary invisibility upon Alpha Striking for the spells duration, or B. re-design Alpha Strike stating that it gives Master Yi temporary invulnerbility. Of course being a Master Yi player, i have the biased opinion of wanting B. But is it too much to ask? I mean look at his win rate right now... just a slight buff in modification to his Alpha Strike mechanic would surely give him the little boost he needs to be a major threat again when he's fed.

Sometimes i don't like getting early kills and becoming an early known threat by the other team, the other team then knows, 'okay lets just play super defensive now and not give the fed Yi any advantage or room for engage'. In a way, being fed early as Yi is a death sentence to your own team, because all too often my team just goes into full retard mode feeding the other team and i have to just sit and watch in agony as my team rages me for not "engaging"... The only other champion i can really think of that suffers from this inherent weakness is Nasus, but he has tankiness so he can counter the self destructive aspects of being fed. Giving Master Yi a slight window of TRUE UNTARGETABILITY (is that even a word) to be able to ACTUALLY engage when fed... if this invulnerbility aspect on an Assassin seems too broken (Fizz, cough cough) then maybe it should be the option of A, passively, then when Master Yi ults, his Alpha Strike goes into an improved form where the B option i stated in the earlier paragraph becomes activated.

TLDR; Master Yi is extremely single-purposed. His job is to blow stuff up as soon as possible, which will happen, but more often than not, at the cost of his own life. He has become the new and unimproved version of Rengar, but Rengar at least has a strong self-heal mechanic to save him at low health, casting Meditate when he's super lower more than often just bites him in the behind because it's maxed last AND he could've healed for just as much by stacking lifesteal, sustaining some damage, while also DEALING damage... he's just an extremely contradictory champion in terms of overall League kit design and could really use an Alpha Strike buff.

If he can snowball Master Yi is unstoppable, but I am only bronze so...I can't say how well he's played in the other ranks.

Akenero1 votes

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If he can snowball Master Yi is unstoppable, but I am only bronze so...I can't say how well he's played in the other ranks.

Don't worry, hes an idiot :D Im a fucking bronze yi and i know the way the spell works

Akenero1 votes

Wait. Youre tellin me that you're a gold yi player, and you DIDNT KNOW THAT?!

Let me get this straight, fizz, and vlad (not sure about zed) CAN STILL BE AFFECTED by abilities with leash properties. Shaco, yi, and zed all REMOVE THEMSELVES FROM THE GAME for a brief instant, but shaco is still affected by aoe, as it is a constant effect. There is most likely a bit of bad coding on shaco, as he is so old, but the programming on yi, vlad, and especially fizz and zed is sound. And iirc, yi shares the same targeting system as olf fiora's ult, which DID have her be vulnerable each time she popped up again. Similarly, yi should also be targetable during the time he's targeting whats next, which he has to do more due to his ability to hit minions, where fiora could not.

Pretty sure its your problem mate

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