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2 things you need to fix Riot

Borkahn··1 votes·439 views

Number 1. this new client.

What the hell with the lag on this new client! I know I'm not the first to point it out and I sure as hell won't be the last. Why don't you show us that you are actually attempting to fix whatever problem is associated with the champ select in the new client?! I hate the new client completely because of the amount of lag I get in the champ select screen. The old client never lagged or if it did, it was barely noticeable...this new one, I should have apparently somewhere between 27-30 seconds to choose a champ but it never allows me to select a champ until I have 15 seconds left. And god forbid I change my mind and want to play another champ because searching and selecting the champ lags another 10 seconds! Fix your shit with this new client

Number 2. placement games

There is no fucking reason on Earth why I should have a B5 from season 6 doing a placement game in G5!! There really is no reason at all. What do you think he just magically got better and he should be given a shot at some golds? What did he get better from?! Wood 1? Like damn Riot get your shit together and stop ruining this game.

I'm about to the point I just want to leave this game. You obviously don't give a damn about the shit you are pointing out because while your client and matchmaking has constant problems (don't even get me started on this Autofill bullshit and yes I did play when it was pick order) you are too busy trying to bring out skins and champions! You want to show the community you give a damn about us, stop trying to find something new for us to go all googley eyed at and say ooh-la-la, and start focusing the problems that are constantly displayed on the board over and over and over and OVER again. I mean fuck.

12 Comments

midnight oil241 votes

Just noting that no matter how angry you are, your argument loses some weight when you act like a seven year old. I hate the lag too, but I just deal with it because I know that the new client just released, and riot is working on fixing the client.

Borkahn1 votes

The hell they are. I want proof. I want to see actual work. Because I don't see anything on their end at all. And eventually, when you don't see work being done, you are well entitled to be as pissed off as you want. They don't care on their end whatsoever. If they did, this would have been solved or at the very least had an open discussion a week ago. Try again.

midnight oil241 votes

Keep in mind that the new client only launched last patch, and that they need time to work on these things. Programming takes a lot of time. Plus, the fanbase begged for a new client, now it needs to be patient while the new client makes its premier.

Gebraheel1 votes

  1. Riot is under zero obligation legally or ethically to display "proof of their work" to you. Any demands to the contrary are childish. You don't pay them to make their game, you pay for the exact thing you complain about them being "too busy trying to bring out skins and champions".

  2. Just because YOU have an issue with something, it doesn't mean that EVERYONE or even MOST people have the same issue. Do you have any clue how difficult it is to code anything, much less debug it, run it through QA-QC, and THEN ensure that it releases to MILLIONS of users? All the while you're running one of the largest online video game brands in the world? Let me enlighten you a bit; a single misplaced semi-colon in a program I wrote with approximately 3,000 lines of code threw almost 170 different errors because of that single line of code not ending when it was supposed to. LoL has over a million lines of code in JUST their game-client and server applications. Source

  3. If you are really and truly THAT pissed about the client. Launch the old one. It's not that hard. Boot up League and before you login click the little "Launch Legacy Client" link. They tell you about it when you update to the new client BETA.

That's right, the new client is a Beta release. Meaning it hasn't gone through its full QA-QC debug process. Nor has it even been released an an official push yet. You're bitching about bugs on a BETA application and then wondering why "you don't see work being done". Riot isn't going to put a development team to work simply to handle the issues that you complain about. If you're at the point of leaving, then just go. It's entitled self-absorbed brats like you that are the SOLE reason development departments don't disseminate information through channels outside official release notes. Please, leave this community until you learn to bug-report like you should and do like the millions of other users NOT griping that their beta-application isn't working perfectly. If you have an issue, report it. If you absolutely can't handle Riot not personally servicing your every whim, feel free to take a page from George Carlin.

Go the fuck outside!

  • George Carlin Doin' it Again (c. 1990)
Ark Sorcerer2 votes

That is one of the two issues addressed. Care to talk about the ranked games and the ranked players appear in? Is all that coding too? Bronze 5 players appearing in gold games? Answer the second part of this player's complaint.

Gebraheel1 votes

His second portion has been answered.

tl;dr Players are placed in games based on an algorithm created by a Hungarian born, American physics professor named Arpad Elo. If you're getting place with someone that is bronze and you're gold, either your Elo has taken a nose-dive, or their Elo has risen higher than their tier-placement would suggest.

Borkahn1 votes

You hardly answered my first. We are consumers for a product and when the product is terrible, we should be shown some sort of remorse and attempt to fix. And they have tons of people working on coding so don't give me that bullshit. And ya what the hell id your answer for the second.

Gebraheel1 votes

The combined ELO of a team is what determines the placement of players in a given match. This means that Bronze players on a successive winning streak have their ELO adjusted to a higher tier of play. The inverse applies as well to higher ranked players that are on a successive losing streak.

The ELO system was implemented for two reasons.

  1. Matchmaking solely according to tier (bronze, silver, gold, etc...) results in longer and longer queue times the higher your rank goes because fewer people are in the upper tiers to match with.
  2. There is a problem with people being carried through the lower tiers which results in that individual's skills not matching with their rank. This means that again, with tier-based matchmaking, you can spend forever within a queue waiting on a game, only to be matched with a player that has the same rank as you, but doesn't have the same skills required to be within that queue.

The individual ELO of a player was instituted so that higher-quality bronze/silver/gold/diamond players can match with each other and play games without having to depend on the luck of the draw entirely in hoping that your teammates match their rank. It is not a perfect system, but believe me, as someone that was around with the original ranking system it is magnitudes better for match making as players that quit often, are toxic more often (and get reported), and in general do not have the required skill-set for a certain level of play no longer get constantly placed with players that are non-toxic, communicate and coordinate well in team-play, and DO have the skills for the later tiers of play.

So if you're getting matched in gold levels of play with bronze players then that means one of two things.

  1. Your bronze-level teammates have a higher ELO than the average number of players within their tier so they've match-made at your level.
  2. Your ELO is insufficient enough to play within the same tier as your rank and you've been match-made with players with an ELO (and subsequently within your skill-set) that is equivalent to yours (within a range).

Note: This is not a personal attack, this is an algorithm created by Physics professor Arpad Elo that has been modified to fit within the constraints of the online-gaming community that is LoL.

Also Note: Again, you are never required to purchase a single item with real-world money for any experience in League of Legends. You play their game, free-of-charge, for as long as you want. They get their money from skins and people that buy champs/cosmetics with RP so of COURSE they are going to focus more resources on their skins, ward skins, champion balancing, and money-making ventures in what is ultimately a free game for you.

Also, your "the product is terrible" is a biased opinion based on an anecdotal data-set that applies to only you and those within your echo-chamber. If the product was truly "terrible", there wouldn't be millions of active players and hundreds of millions of dollars invested in the market for championship gaming events, advertising, and player-promotion.

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

Stronger language than I would have used but agreed in it's entirety. Elementalist Lux just came out and is over 3K RP. I personally was sitting here thinking "Why Lux? Why does she get this skin? A skin that I have done no research on but something that obviously put in a lot of effort over the new client?? Then I have to force myself to remember that the people who design skins and the people who are working on the client are 2 completely different groups. Then I wonder what is the ratio between these two groups. Then you have the... is it Under Taker? skins with Trundle, Hec, Naut and... someone else... it wasn't too much thought. 750 RP. But then you have the new Bard, Sejuani, Jayce and Karthus' skins and I scratch my head. If I recalled, didn't I hear that Riot tries to make skins that suit the champions personality? Sooo... how does making Sejuani look like an Elf (and a kind, elderish one at that) come to be? These skins are... ummm... huh? Then I try on this client and I sigh to the point of no return. I have nearly dodged 13 games from not banning and/or choosing a champion. Hey! Elementalist Lux is about out. I bet all the Lux mains will be thrilled, until they see the price. But whatever. Money over substance, yeah?

midnight oil241 votes

Just two notes, the skin line is called worldbreaker, and the point of the sejuani, jayce, those skins, was that it's who those characters would play in a dnd style game. Hope that cleared things up and that you have a nice day.

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

I was going from the top of my head as I did not have LoL up at the time and did not feel like booting it up to find the correct skin line title but thanks anyway.

midnight oil241 votes

Of course. Glad I could help.

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