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ELIXIRS = A sandbox solution? (not a real sandbox...but may just be what we need)

Facecheck feeder··17 votes·1,813 views

Below is my post from reddit, I would love this cummunity view and input. I know this is not a "real sandbox" but it would be a great mode. Simple and secure from Riots end. Here is link to the reddit page: http://redd.it/3ghp2g

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This thought has been plaguing my mind over the last few days. I think it could be a relatively simple way to add a sandbox mode that would fill the needs of players that want to test skills and builds and give game designers a simple tool. The Answer....Elixirs

Elixirs can give you the option of choosing what to test and the designers a way to add build paths to certain bots in this sandbox/test mode, Below are a few of ideas:

ELIXIRS:

Exp Elixir: experience to get to lvl 6,11,and 18 (3 different elixirs)

Gold Elixir: average gold for lvl 6,11 and then max gold ( I will explain the lvl 6,11 in a bit)

CD Elixir: 1 - 90% cd on summoners (testing flash), 2 - 80% cd on ult

Regen Elixir: Out of combat for 10 seconds, HP/Mana regen 300/per second

Revive Elixir: Death timer reduced 99%

In lol under customs just add a sandbox for summoners rift. In this sandbox mode bots will have a 3rd option (Beginner, Intermediate, and now TestBot). TestBots will just add these elixirs to there build order so at game start you can have lvl 18 (or lvl 6/11 see below) full build champs to test on and with.

Here is where i'm not sure how hard to implement it would be, I was thinking that each TestBot you select would have a different purpose. For example if you select:

TestBot lux, she will use Elixir exp (lvl 18), gold (max) and be a bot like we are used to just full build and lvl 18.

Testbot Ryze, he will use Elixir exp (lvl 6) and gold (lvl 6 which could be a amount if you had decent CS and maybe 1 kill). He would be a bot like your use to but coming to lane lvl 6 and has items that would fit a lvl 6.

TestBot Jax, he will use Elixir exp (lvl 11) and gold (lvl 11 which could be a amount if you had decent CS and maybe 3 kills). He would be a bot like your use to but coming to lane lvl 11 and has items that would fit a lvl 11.

This would allow a player to say practice all in with zed at lvl 6, 11 or 18 against what should be a normal build for his lvl.

Now for Aoe and Wombo Combos. Certain TestBots (Teemo because he needs to die alot) will buy there respective elixirs and go stand passively at certain locations. For example if you select:

Testbots Garen, Kat, Yi, Elise, soraka, they will use all the elixirs for lvl 18, with elixirs regen and revive, purchase their items then go stand near the dragon pit. With regen and revive you can test this over and over, if they dont die they will regen fast, if they do, they would already be homeguard running back. Maybe teleporting there like bots of doom did.

Same could be done for lvl 6 and 11. Or if you want only 1 or 2 there, select only Kat and Yi, ect..

TL;DR Elixirs could be a way for players to test different skills/builds on bots with normal items for there lvl. Simple way for Developers to add build path for different level of bots

Maybe a link to a list of what each Testbots purpose was and what there behavior would be so you can create a test mode to fit your need. Dragon/ baron spawn at start for testing purposes.

What do you guys think or how could this be tweaked?

11 Comments

Carry5 votes

This is such a stupid idea, I'm not sure why you reposted it or how it's getting upvotes. Riot is opposed to a sandbox mode because they don't want players to feel obligated to grind in a sandbox mode to hone their skills. Rioters want for "the best way to improve at LoL to be playing games of LoL!" This gimped out "Elixir" sandbox mode does nothing to address that issue. If Riot were willing to give us this, why would they not just give us an actual sandbox mode?

This is just a poorly implemented sandbox mode with limited functionality and an asinine "Elixir" system to replace a sandbox mode's UI. There is no reason to ask for this over an actual sandbox mode.

Malicious Fury1 votes

Elixirs wouldn't be the way to go in my opinion too. But we do need a sandbox mode. I'll always disagree with players that side with Riot on this. Esports teams at colleges are trying hard to be a competitive sport. If every other sport team spends hours doing repetitive actions to improve their game (i.e. shooting the same free throw or kicking the ball into the same goal hundreds of times outside the game or even passing a ball to another player hundreds of times) then we should be able to do that too. The only reason Riot doesn't want it is:

Eventually we'll become too good:

http://i.imgur.com/qgZTJwd.gif

And those that don't practice won't. That's how it is in the real world sports.

Edit: GIF isn't real, just a Shaolin Soccer moment to over-exaggerate how good people may get in-game LeeSin

I am Madlife4 votes

You can't grind in this mode, because they can simply make it so you do not gain exp. The pure purpose most people want this gamemode is so they can test out things like how well a champion is late game, which walls you can flash over, which walls to jump over, how much damage you can do with a champion full build, what their stats are level 18 with your items that you buy, etc. This is do-able in custom modes, though sandbox makes it so you do not have to wait 5 minutes per flash that you do, and 20-30 minutes farming bots to get full build and test out your moves/stats/cooldown combos. There are many advantages to this, and I disagree with you when you say "Rioters want for 'the best way to improve at LoL to be playing games of LoL!'" Well, it still is. This is simply to test things. Faker said in his responses to twitter comments, that he needs to experiment with champions, what better way than sandbox mode to test out some build paths without having to use 2-5 games or more, which take up over 2 hours. The elixir mode is a good idea, though there can be other idea's that can go along side it. The elixir mode doesn't actually address the statement that riot is saying on why they are not making a sandbox mode (they dont want players to grind) as the elixir mode only makes it a different way to set up the custom games, by implimenting these items into a custom game mode, called "Sandbox".

This is just my opinion, and with my opinion I disagree with yours, but opinions are opinions, and they aren't meant to be facts. This is just my statement on the topic, inform me if you disagree with it or have some thoughts.

Carry2 votes

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You can't grind in this mode, because they can simply make it so you do not gain exp. The pure purpose most people want this gamemode is so they can test out things like how well a champion is late game, which walls you can flash over, which walls to jump over, how much damage you can do with a champion full build, what their stats are level 18 with your items that you buy, etc. This is do-able in custom modes, though sandbox makes it so you do not have to wait 5 minutes per flash that you do, and 20-30 minutes farming bots to get full build and test out your moves/stats/cooldown combos. There are many advantages to this, and I disagree with you when you say "Rioters want for 'the best way to improve at LoL to be playing games of LoL!'" Well, it still is. This is simply to test things. Faker said in his responses to twitter comments, that he needs to experiment with champions, what better way than sandbox mode to test out some build paths without having to use 2-5 games or more, which take up over 2 hours. The elixir mode is a good idea, though there can be other idea's that can go along side it. The elixir mode doesn't actually address the statement that riot is saying on why they are not making a sandbox mode (they dont want players to grind) as the elixir mode only makes it a different way to set up the custom games, by implimenting these items into a custom game mode, called "Sandbox".

This is just my opinion, and with my opinion I disagree with yours, but opinions are opinions, and they aren't meant to be facts. This is just my statement on the topic, inform me if you disagree with it or have some thoughts.

Did you read Riot's statement on why they aren't releasing a Sandbox mode?

The grinding they are afraid of has nothing to do with grinding exp. Read the statement, read my comment, then recognize how silly this elixir idea is.

Yes, we should get a sandbox mode because Riot's opposition to it is irrational. No, this asinine excuse for a sandbox mode that just replaces a UI with elixirs is not the mode we should be asking for.

Baneofnoobs4 votes

I like it.

Punkkee5 votes

i like you

Lex Lazurite1 votes

... Better nerf irelia.

coltfan084 votes

This is a bad idea. Sorry.

We can all agree that this would be worse than a complete sandbox mode, right? OP says so himself:

I know this is not a "real sandbox"

So if it's not a real sandbox, then it has to have an upside to it that sandbox mode doesn't. I can't find that upside. This mode is wayyy less flexible than a sandbox mode needs to be. I'll take your example of using zed against bots that buy different elixirs by default. What if I want to practice killing a level 18 Ryze? There's nothing I can do about it.

Really, the main problem here is that this Elixir mode doesn't solve the problem with sandbox mode. Riot has said explicitly that the reason they are not implementing a sandbox mode is because a sandbox mode would encourage players to practice for hours rather than play League of Legends. This mode is the same thing as sandbox mode in that it is a way for players to grind out skills outside of a real game. The main difference between this mode and sandbox mode is that this mode is less flexible than sandbox.

Facecheck feeder3 votes

I think this mode would allow players to test things that would really happen in normal games. This mode each champion would still feel like he is supposed to.

Could improve skill or just for fun, for example how would a Full ap devour Gnar do late game... Almost no way to find out because if you play a bot game it would take 35 minutes to get items but the bots are so far behind you can just sit in base and get penta after penta. On paper extra 700-800 extra every 2 hits with fast attack speed seems legit. A normal game isn't the best because of toxic players 1) they would be mad if you said ap sated gnar 2) because it worked on under lvl item bots might not work in lane, so if your behind or feed, it can ruin game for 4 other people who may be having a decent game and this "trash ap gnar" needs reported.

I love trying weird builds but no where to get a real feel for them. Bot and current customs don't cut it because you snowball so far past the bots its unreal

dEAdbUs2 votes

I don't think that sandbox is a problem, Riot just don't want it.

Atlas Cant Carry2 votes

This isn't a sandbox..but I would use this mode in a heart beat. This would be a light weight way to try different things out in a somewhat normal environment.

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