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All Champions in ARAM... with a skin incentive?

Facecheck feeder··52 votes·3,161 views

I know enabling all champions in ARAM is not a new idea however there may be some tweaks that would benefit players and Riot. Now add a extra chance to get a champion if you own them and a extra chance per skin you own.

If all champions were enabled your chances at any champ are 1/126.

Now for example: You would have 1/126 chance to play any champs. If you only owned Teemo you would have 2/126 chance to play him. If you also owned 5 of his skins, now you would have a 7/126 chance to play him..and you buy Chroma skin (just for Riot) that will add one more chance.

I think this would be good for players who like ARAM, it adds a huge champion pool and would feel more random.

I think this is good for players who have spent money on skins because it would add a bit more value to them.

And good for Riot because there are alot of players who only ARAM and would buy skins to increase there odds of their favorite champs.

What do you guys think? or How can the be tweaked?

TL;DR To player who bought skins, they would have more value. To Riot, some people would buy more skins to up their chances in ARAM

Edit 1: At low lvls, Aram would not only be just free week champs over and over

Edit 2: ignore the math :) basically if you own the champ you have better odds to play him, if you own skins on a champ, even better odds

22 Comments

McAllister19 votes

Your attempt at math makes me want to cry a little. There are always 126 champions, so it goes like this, assuming free week is ignored:

If you own 0 champions, each has a 1/126 chance to be played

If you own 33 champions with no skins, the ones you own have a 2/159 chance, and the remainder have a 1/159 chance, because the baseline 126 chances plus the 33 you're adding are 159.

If you own 1 Teemo with 5 skins and 50 champs with no skins, Teemo has a 7/181 chance, the other champs you own have a 2/181 chance, and the rest of the pool has a 1/181 chance.

The denominator has to change, understand? If every champ has an equal chance and I give another chance to Teemo, he doesn't have 2/126. Otherwise, adding them all up, I'll end up with 127/126, which doesn't work.

But that aside, I think it's a great idea, so enjoy an upvote.

Facecheck feeder1 votes

I gotcha, I should have thought that through a bit more. I just wanted to put a simple idea out turns out it was algebra :) thanks

youngjake931 votes

{quoted}

Your attempt at math makes me want to cry a little. There are always 126 champions, so it goes like this, assuming free week is ignored:

If you own 0 champions, each has a 1/126 chance to be played

If you own 33 champions with no skins, the ones you own have a 2/159 chance, and the remainder have a 1/159 chance, because the baseline 126 chances plus the 33 you're adding are 159.

If you own 1 Teemo with 5 skins and 50 champs with no skins, Teemo has a 7/181 chance, the other champs you own have a 2/181 chance, and the rest of the pool has a 1/181 chance.

The denominator has to change, understand? If every champ has an equal chance and I give another chance to Teemo, he doesn't have 2/126. Otherwise, adding them all up, I'll end up with 127/126, which doesn't work.

But that aside, I think it's a great idea, so enjoy an upvote.

Technically you could just lower the chance of every other champion so that Teemo will still be 2/126

Budupops8 votes

pls dont make this game mode pay to win

Facecheck feeder1 votes

I agree it shouldn't be pay to win but this change, I think helps balance the odds even with getting champs and skins because as aram is right now, lets say some people only buy lux, Nid, jayce,and blitz. The odds to get one of them now would be like 4/14 or 28% then realistic higher becuase out of the 10 players all of them have same free week open. The above mode with champ and all their skins unlocked the best odds would still be like 3%. I think my math is right this time.

Malicious Fury6 votes

No thanks. The only time I should have to play champs I don't ever want to own is during free week.

Maratsune4 votes

This is downvoted to hell, but I agree. There's a reason I don't buy some champions, and my love of ARAM shouldn't make me live in hell surrounded by champions I hate playing. I already have to deal with the occasional Rek'sai or Alistar.

Malicious Fury3 votes

Can't have a different opinion these days and not get downvotes. It's like you hurt their feelings if you disagree with the popular vote.

Sonic Drive In1 votes

Right but there is an extreme to this. What if someone makes an account and only buys champs that are good in aram. In a perfect world those people would be in there own que but I am not sure if there are enough players for that and it will never happen. Bans would be nice for aram but that will never happen because part of the incentive to play aram is the quick pick phase. I really disagree with the original post here because i never want the game to become pay to win.

Maratsune2 votes

Why does it matter though? If people only buy champs that are good in ARAM, I mean. They do well in ARAM, which clearly means so much to them. There are already unfairness issues that arise from randomized team comps- an OP combination of champions is possible even without these ARAM acounts. ARAM has it's own MMR, so any extra advantage people get from having a small ARAM pool is probably made up for as they get matched up with more skilled players.

Jeddite2 votes

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Why does it matter though? If people only buy champs that are good in ARAM, I mean. They do well in ARAM, which clearly means so much to them. There are already unfairness issues that arise from randomized team comps- an OP combination of champions is possible even without these ARAM acounts. ARAM has it's own MMR, so any extra advantage people get from having a small ARAM pool is probably made up for as they get matched up with more skilled players.

It doesn't matter. However, the majority of ARAM players are,... well,... just not very adept at ARAM. Oh sure, they think they are. But they're not. But that isn't because of any fault on their part, no no -- they're all secretly ARAM Diamond, but due to OMG SMURF ACCOUNTS, they're trapped in the ARAM equivalent of Bronze ELO HELL. My own term for this portion of the player base is the ARAM Bronze League™.

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These players spend more time nerdraging about perceived "unfairness" and "imbalance" in a game mode that cannot empirically be made "fair". Enemy team has a Sona, Varus, or Ziggs? That player must be a smurf. And if this player -- xXxDeathKillaAzzazzynxXx -- has played Sona AND Varus and Ziggs in his last twenty games? WELL THAT JUST PROVES HE'S AN ARAM SMURF. Because if there's one topic that public school tweenagers have a firm grasp, it's intermediate statistics and probability. It's "unfair" and "imbalanced" that xXxDeathKillaAzzazzynxXx has been randomly assigned more "ZOMG OP" champions than the typical ARAM Bronze League™ mouth-breather. AND RIOT MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.

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And that something is -- and always is -- unlocking all the champions in ARAM so that xXxDeathKillaAzzazzynxXx no longer has an unfair advantage. Because it's just not fair if xXxDeathKillaAzzazzynxXx has a higher probability of being randomly assigned Sona or Varus than the average ARAM Bronze League™ gooftard. (I have a higher probability of being randomly assigned Poppy, but nobody ever complains about that.)

() And even though unlocking all the champions for ARAM does nothing to combat the perceived notion of "ZOMG THE OTHER TEAM HAS MORE OP CHAMPIONS THAN MY TEAM" at Champion Select, the ARAM Bronze League™ demands it.

() And even though unlocking all the champions for ARAM will make the often-made complaint about players not taking ARAM seriously ("ZOMG IT'S JUST ARAM" spoke the 1-14-6 Garen with a Gunblade, Infinity Edge, and Mobility Boots) more frequent (because players are more likely to be assigned a champion that they are completely unfamiliar with), the ARAM Bronze League™ demands it.

() And even though unlocking all the champions for ARAM will result in more queue dodging (because, again, players are more likely to be assigned a champion that they are completely unfamiliar with), the ARAM Bronze League™ demands it.

() And even though unlocking all the champions for ARAM does nothing to improve the individual ABL™ player's skill, the ARAM Bronze League™ demands it.

() And even though unlocking all the champions for ARAM goes against Riot's established business model, the ARAM Bronze League™ demands it.

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Of course, if you point any of this out, you're clearly a smurf. Clearly. Because only a terrible ARAM SMURF CHEATER HOM0FÀG could possibly think that unlocking the entire champion pool for ARAM will have a deleterious (<--- the ABL player will need to look up that word) effect on ARAM long term.

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This has been the most posted topic about ARAM, second only perhaps to the endless crying of "ZOMG NERF NIDALEE" threads on the old forums. It's a popular topic with the ARAM Bronze League™ because they desperately need something -- ANYTHING - to explain why they're "stuck" in ARAM ELO BRONZE HELL that isn't directly traceable back to their own skill level (or decided lack thereof).

Thunder Dreamss3 votes

This is a pretty cool idea in it's basics but it shouldn't count number of skins and possibly not count skins at all. The problem with counting number of skins is that ARAM becomes pay to win because you can drastically increase your chances at getting champions you know the best or are the strongest in ARAM by spending RP.

The basic idea of giving a second chance to get champions you own is good and maybe it could count champion mastery as well, to give everyone better odds of getting champions they like.

Ultraboomer3 votes

this seems like a nice idea, but then wouldn;t it discourage people from buying mystery skins because what if they end up with skins for champs they don't like?

FDru3 votes

This idea isn't very well thought out.

First of all, it allows you to manipulate your chances of getting certain champs with is the exact opposite of where we should be going with ARAM.

Second, what about champs with very few skins? Sucks to be you if you want to play them I guess?

And then there's the fact that many players own tons of skins from before ARAM even existed, for champs that are technically bad on the map. Again, sucks to be them?

Anyway, I vote no.

Tyaldan2 votes

I would love this because i hate doing aram and seeing only the free week champs. Nothing was more annoying than free week zilean. Literally every single aram i was in had a zilean on one team or the other.

Tstrong1 votes

He is a god on that map, I want to buy him for the chance to play him everytime I play aram

Tyaldan1 votes

He is a god on that map, which made it annoying when the zilean on our team didnt know him or the zilean on their team DID know him. One of my "troll" picks mid, cause if you play him right he can kill the entire enemy team, while bein unkillable.

Iag Spike2 votes

I not sure this would help on level 30 account with most of champions unlocked already but low level ARAM is not random at all, almost always its the free week champions. I would support this change. If i got a champion i liked because i bought the skin.. bonus

LionelLeon2 votes

Your giving them idea$$

Sukishoo2 votes

Too bad I own all champs /win

Shosuko1 votes

No. The point of having all champions unlocked in ARAM would be to make it completely random. This just makes it dumber.

Have all champs unlocked, AND have all gold locked like Ascension had it.

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