I propose a new game mode between the lower elo players and high elo.

ZPIN2WIN·May 7, 2015·91 votes·3,981 views

The idea is simple, the mode has 5 players ranging from bronze MMR to gold MMR on one team.

The other team gets 1 plat~challenger player + 4 beginner bots.

For every premade member, the high elo team gets an intermediate bot instead.

Let the games begin. :^)

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Edit: due to popular demand, here is a list of community driven rulings:

Towers and split pushing: High elo side gets backdoor plating buff on towers at all times except when the main player is on death timer.
Gold bounty: Gold and experience gained from slain bots is reduced dramatically to combat farming abuse.
Match making: A plat V high elo player shall not be matched VS players higher than Gold V ranking, that or the system adjusts MMR accordingly to mix in bronze 4 players for example.
Winrate expectancy: The game mode should have around 60% winrate in favor of low elo team to encourage teamwork and a threatening challenge for the high elo player --especially for challengers and masters since they have ridiculously long queue times--
Gold flow: similar to purple VS blue side adjustment to elo difference, the solo player gets increased gold flow if the enemy MMR is higher than it should be; exact values shall be found via trial and error while observing win-rate trends.
Champion select: The mode shall have a blind pick with bans.

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That is all for now~ I wish to see this become a reality. :)

53 Comments

S E X Y B O IMay 7, 201548 votes

it already exists. it's called normal or ranked on summoners rift. actually you just described every game mode. match making system op.

Mandang0May 7, 20153 votes

This is true.

Icestar1186May 8, 201516 votes

Matchmaking is not anywhere near that bad. It is very rare for golds to even be matched with bronzes if both play ranked regularly.

TulzurakMay 8, 20151 votes

It is pretty rare, but I'm only level 26 (just started playing the game in January), and I've been matched against multiple Gold, Platinum, and Diamond players in the past few games.

The last one was against a Gold 3, Plat 5, Plat 1, and Diamond 4 team. My team only had a single Silver 4 player. We did fairly well, dragging out the game to 42 minutes and taking down an inhib or two of theirs, but I don't know how we were matched against each over in Normal matchmaking.

swordpasMay 8, 20153 votes

Low level players have it hard in terms of MMR because there isn't a sufficent amount of games to judge their skill. I can relate to this whole thing.

SFV BoostedCatMay 8, 20151 votes

{quoted}

It is pretty rare, but I'm only level 26 (just started playing the game in January), and I've been matched against multiple Gold, Platinum, and Diamond players in the past few games.

The last one was against a Gold 3, Plat 5, Plat 1, and Diamond 4 team. My team only had a single Silver 4 player. We did fairly well, dragging out the game to 42 minutes and taking down an inhib or two of theirs, but I don't know how we were matched against each over in Normal matchmaking.

9baksQuJhbMay 9, 20151 votes

I am silver and I very frequently get matched in normals with plats and even diamonds.

Icestar1186May 10, 20151 votes

Do they just say they are or are they actually plat?

LeeDarkMay 8, 20159 votes

No. I can't tell if you are being intentionally obtuse or if you really are that dumb.

In normals, there is a little more variance, since some people use normals to play drunk, try out new champions, or whatever, while others don't like ranked at all and will try their hardest. So you do end up with some silver level players grouped with a rare plat or two, because the silver is the tryhard and the plat has a lower MMR because he always plays normals drunk. And even that is rare. Most of the time, for example, I see Golds and a few Silvers in my normals. Every great once in a while, I see a Diamond, and it is almost always because of a duo queue on one team messing up the MMR massively.

It never happens in ranked. Period. It can't actually happen in ranked anymore, unless the higher MMR player is on a low MMR smurf, but we do not have any kind of accurate data on that. There aren't that many of them, really.

Nucleophilic atkMay 7, 201518 votes

Well, according to GD, 1 plat player would beat a team of 5 golds.

lDontLiftIcarryMay 7, 201510 votes

you'd be surprised how bad the skill gaps actually are.

Assuming no one was boosted and they actually learned more than a few champions so they can counter pick or w/e then a high elo beating a team of low elos would be possible/ Until late game in which case having 6 items means you just auto win regardless because more items on players hopefully more intelligent than bots means gg.

Nucleophilic atkMay 7, 20157 votes

I don't see it happening. At all. I would be pressed to see a single plat player beating a team of silvers to be honest (good silvers).

lDontLiftIcarryMay 7, 201521 votes

I would love to see it happen. But honestly with riots bots being coded like shit it would probably end up the noob players farming the bots and then just winning. And avoiding interaction with the one human player every game.

Maybe if they gave the 1 human increased gold gen/exp gain like in dominion or something I could see it working but other than that It would probably just be a "farm the computers" mode. Just co-op vs ai again.

Games that are f2p have very few players with honor or respect so they use stupid and shitty tactics to win modes that supposed to be for fun.

Like people who played AP alistar and all that shit in urf. Those type of assholes.

LeeDarkMay 8, 20153 votes

Wouldn't be possible. All they have to do is split push. The bots can't handle them, and the higher MMR player can only be one place at a time. When he shows up somewhere, they play safe and just defend the tower, because the bots aren't likely to tower dive, and if they did, they still wouldn't be all that useful. Everyone else pushes hard, and the game doesn't last very long.

lDontLiftIcarryMay 8, 20152 votes

yeah Like I said, shitty tactics to win.

W/e. its a nice idea but there's always going to be the group of parasites that ruin everything. It's just how the world works.

I'm all for new modes though. Anything is better than nothing at all.

Occams RaiserMay 8, 20152 votes

I don't think 2 plats could beat five bronze 1 or higher, unless several are trolling. If you got five people that gave a shit I don't the 2 plats could win more than once out of ten times.

OnegarionMay 8, 20159 votes

you make it sound like bronze 1 is actually good or something? This would be more about the bots than the bronze.

Occams RaiserMay 8, 20152 votes

It isn't hard to think that 5 people could outplay 2. When the bronze team triple ganks, the bots aren't going to come help. They won't stop a split push either.

UnknownMartianMay 8, 20153 votes

Exactly. It would teach the lower elo people to learn higher elo tactics like... teamwork.

Occams RaiserMay 8, 20151 votes

true

KullenMay 8, 20152 votes

Lol, 3 bronzes ganking a plat or higher, the plat's eyes will light up like crazy.

Occams RaiserMay 8, 20152 votes

i don't know how this would mathematically come out good for the plat. Most of the difference in the ranks is mechanics, decision making, and knowledge of true power of a champ at each level. I have watched high level non-pro games. All plats are not created equal and they do not share these three factors in equal abundance.

YOU BEEN WARNEDMay 8, 201518 votes

This would show the lower elos how strong a diamond/challenger is. Skill VS teamwork and number, reminds me of infection game modes.

I like it a lot.

Occams RaiserMay 8, 20159 votes

I would like to see this happen actually. It would give the higher ELOs something to do. It seems like they want to smurf anyway. They just don't wnat you to know till it is too late. "One thing you should know. I'm NOT left handed."

lDontLiftIcarryMay 7, 201512 votes

LMFAO I'D DO IT LOL

Sozan5May 7, 20157 votes

It would probably be easier for the plat-challenger player to be without bots, unless bots would give 90% reduced gold and experience on death.

YOU BEEN WARNEDMay 8, 20151 votes

Not a bad idea, I approve.

LeeDarkMay 8, 20151 votes

The other team could easily just split push. Play safe and defend the tower if the enemy is there, push hard if he isn't.

Penta PenguinMay 7, 20156 votes

Release a new thematic event featuring Mt. Targon / Ionia or something, Wukong, Master Yi, etc. One Diamond / Challenger player with buffs vs. 3 low elo "padawans" trying to defeat the "master"

LegendaryLemurMay 7, 20155 votes

I feel like i saw this same thread a week ago. My comment was that i would ~~tell~~ [suggest that] my team to repeatedly 5-man gank the human.

Minor Edit above: I used some imprecise language that made me sound like a bully.

ZPIN2WINMay 8, 20152 votes

Updated, gib feedback pleaz

GavranMay 8, 20155 votes

I don't want to be mean but... this is a horrible idea.

Likely scenario: team with more real players wins every game. You saw this in Doom Bots even. It doesn't matter how impossible it is for you to beat the enemy in a fight, if you can force them to make bad decisions (lose this tower or that tower).

Likely scenario 2: the guy just shits on a solo or duo lane while the others push to win. One person has a horrible time, most of the other players have no real interaction except him maybe showing up to kill them with all the gold from shitting on the one guy.

Un*likely scenario: the guy actually stomps all of the real players and they get to feel like shit? Wow new game mode so fun it makes people want to uninstall

*I'm silverish if you want to go by my ranked placements and I've beat diamonds in lane without jungler intervention and in games (but then there's a lot more people factoring in on it). The lone player could only win in two ways: his enemies don't know how to buy items, use abilities or what towers do, or he plays someone like Riven/Lee Sin/some ADCs (effectively manaless, good scaling, capable of using either Hydra or Hurricane + lifesteal) and snowballs to the point where he can 2-shot eveyone on their team. I do this to bots regularly when I want my first win of the day in a hurry. Snowballing in this game is out of control, but in the absence of that out of control snowballing there's no way 1 person can lose to 5 people who have the slightest clue.

YOU BEEN WARNEDMay 9, 20152 votes

This isn't difficult to balance:

Release game mode
Check winrate of both sides
If high elo side has less than 40% winrate, increase that side's gold flow & make turrets stronger until winrate is 40%ish.

?????

Profit.

GavranMay 9, 20151 votes

But it's still horrible if it's balanced. A gametype that tries to say "hey you five people, hey, you're worth less than this one person" is a terrible terrible idea. Whether that's 50% of the time or 100% of the time. Either the 1 side gets the ability to snowball (which isn't remotely a measure of skill by the way, you could have it be one silver vs five silvers if you're going to give the one automatic snowballing) and they wreck 5 people, not fun for anyone but him, or 4 people push and 1 person gets stomped, not fun for anyone, or 1 person just gets stomped, not very fun for anyone.

YOU BEEN WARNEDMay 9, 20151 votes

Sheesh, you're just not a fun person are you. This is akin to a boss fight, one person starts the game as a "boss", he by default is stronger than every individual in the game. The way for individuals to win is to establish teamwork and play together, how is that not fun ?

GavranMay 9, 20151 votes

because "this player is better than you" is not "boss fight".

Gold flow: similar to purple VS blue side adjustment to elo difference, the solo player gets increased gold flow if the enemy MMR is higher than it should be; exact values shall be found via trial and error while observing win-rate trends.

That's the only thing the OP says about changing gold.

UPfreelyMay 8, 20153 votes

honestly the plat-challenger player would lose every game he didn't roll into a bottom of the barrel full bronze 5 team

ZPIN2WINMay 8, 20152 votes

Updated, gib feedback pleaz

The SoulforgedMay 8, 20152 votes

I'm plat 5 and I will have no chance against 5 gold 5 elo people if I only have 4 beginner bots.

ZPIN2WINMay 8, 20155 votes

The game should accomodate to the MMR of the single player, if challenger then allow the players to be up to gold I; if plat it shouldn't match you with higher than gold 5.

Something like that.

Slamurai JackMay 8, 20152 votes

It would never work. Even Faker would lose to a silver team if he had beginner bots as teammates. Hell, beginner bots are less than worthless. All they would do is feed every one of those silver players full build at 25 minutes. There's a limit to how much you can outplay when there are multiple enemies with several thousand more gold than you.

ZPIN2WINMay 8, 20152 votes

Updated, gib feedback pleaz

AbyssionKnightMay 8, 20152 votes

The plat player can't be everywhere at once, and the bots are ridiculously easy to farm up kills on. I'm pretty sure the win rate for the plat player would be lower than 40%.

Lazy Pet RockMay 8, 20152 votes

Can't you do this in a custom game if you know the people if those ranks?

Occams RaiserMay 8, 20151 votes

I thought you were going to say 3 top tier vs 5 lower tiers. I would like to see that. No one liked my 4 on five idea. Maybe it just wasn't challenging enough.

CoolKnightSTMay 8, 20151 votes

why not just make it PvP. Every team get's one high elo player. This player is first pick.

rinsujoMay 8, 20151 votes

Hm. could be fun as a temp game mode....

Needs a catchy name though. Thoughts?

swordpasMay 8, 20152 votes

Should be permenant imo, the master and the students ?

Spacesuit SpiffMay 8, 20151 votes

I was thinking of something similar, except players intentionally get to lane against more/less skilled opponents, so that they can learn stuff from the game.

AsphodelNextMay 9, 20151 votes

Really, you should take out the 4 beginner bots. Nobody wants to play with teammates who constantly feed. Maybe buff the minions and towers or something, make the waves naturally push in the other direction, but people who want to carry feeders can do that in ranked already.

You could give the high elo player a no CD teleport, but only to his own turrets and inhibs. That would basically mean he is playing 3 lanes at the same time, something like simultaneous chess. Push top lane, head bot, get a double, go mid, cs under tower, etc. It also means that his objectives are that much more important: take out one of his towers, and he has to walk from further back in the lane.