Aram and certain [R]'s

PeachsProperty·May 18, 2015·3 votes·393 views

Some champions have game changing R's kayle and trynd are main known ones.

couldnt they have their duration/cooldowns modified for the map? (like u did with some champ sfor TT/dom)

5 Comments

NoMonkuMay 20, 20152 votes

The problem with this is that they aren't really trying to balance ARAM imo. If they really wanted to, I feel they would have probably adjusted poke champions numbers and not have even needed to implement mark. Also since the mode is just All Random(only the ones you own and F2P) All Mid, it doesn't make much reason for them to balance for champions that won't even be played. Also I feel the point of balancing them would be to make them all viable at some point and it just doesn't really work that well in ARAM. Certain champions just don't work well in ARAM because of how they were designed.

bens on 28May 18, 20151 votes

Kayle and Trynd are already underpowered in ARAM ... this is so subjective as well and would be a grand undertaking. I mean what about the champs that have devastating ults because of mark/dash? Galio, Amumu etc.? What about the ones that already had awesome ults? Ziggs, Lux, Kat, Fiddle? Along the same lines with kayle and Trynd, what about Zilean ult which imo is better than those 2 ults? Also, neither Kayle nor Trynd are among the top 15 in win rate or popularity in the past month, and Trynd is actually bottom 15 in win rate at 41%.

MinardeMay 18, 20151 votes

Ults are intended to be powerful and potentially game-changing. Duration/cooldowns aren't modified based on the strength of the ability itself, but based on the strength of the overall champion.

Are you trying to argue that Kayle and Tryn are weak champs in need of buffs or strong champs in need of nerfs?

PeachsPropertyMay 19, 20151 votes

i said them as an example.

others are jus tas guilty.

but RIOT modifies skills in TT and Dom so its possible for aram modifications.

a team w/o any CC (as its random it can happen easily) trynd is unstoppable. Kayle's R is in same situation(but not as major)

Fiddle's R has a requirement to target and channel so its not a major problem.

and Zileans doesnt make u immune/unkillable, it just revives u second later.

also Popularity/win rate means nothing.

people have varying skill levels with and agaisnt champs.

MinardeMay 20, 20151 votes

Although popularity means less in a mode where players are given random champs, winrate is still a useful metric. It's definitely not the only factor to consider, but it does give an idea of how the average player does with a given champ. It's absurd to balance based on a single individual player's skill, so aggregate data from many players is used.

Once again, ultimates are not balanced in vacuums; the strength of the entire champ needs to be considered. -Sure, Tryn's ult is strong, but he's borderline useless without it and still pretty ignorable until he has items. Even then, almost any marksman would be just as effective with the same amount of gold while having much more impact until then. That's why Tryn's typically considered one of the weakest champs in ARAM. -Kayle's alright and doesn't particularly stand out in either direction. -Zilean's also somewhere in the middle of the pack. -Fiddle could actually use some nerfs, as he's always been strong. Recently, Mark/Dash pushed him into having one of the highest winrates.

Some ults were nerfed for TT and Dom because the champs were too effective at what they did. It's not that the ults themselves were too strong, but that the champs' entire kits functioned too well. Nerfing ults was intended to restrain certain champs down to reasonable levels.

It's possible to argue that shifting power out of a champ's ult could work, but I think Riot's very hesitant to do that. For one thing, it'd heavily change the playstyle of said champ, and that would be quite jarring for players when switching between maps.