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Maybe it's time for another level of Co-op vs. AI difficulty?

Theads··6 votes·811 views

Perhaps bots that check bushes, set down wards, jungle, know how to meta, know when to turret dive etc.? And no, no turret dives like the way Rammus bot does, like for real, bots are dumb but Rammus bot is a whole nother level of dumb for some reason.

Maybe it's a bad idea, but I personally really enjoy AI games (Mainly because it almost never has people being toxic, and people are more likely to complement than to insult).

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Maximum Zilean3 votes

Bots that jungle would be really hard to code. But yeah after doing AI games long enough you start to memorize ways to abuse their bad AI.

If they can't make them jungle, atleast have them group up for objectives like dragon or baron. Its been proven riot can code this since the doom bots actually did these objectives.

But the main thing i'd like to see is alot more variety in champion picks for them. We have a decent enough number in the mode, but there could be more.

Some would be hard to do, but other less complex ones would be doable. (Fiora Gragas Gangplank) While others likeShaco Yasuo Thresh would be much harder to code as bots.

Theads1 votes

Yeah, coding in jungling for bots would be a lot of trial and error, but Riot has plenty of professionals whose job is for doing this sort of stuff, surely it couldn't be that hard for them?

Agreed, champ variety would definitely be a good thing. It would help some learn how to counter those champs in actual games.

Matthias91191 votes

Yeah, coding in jungling for bots would be a lot of trial and error, but Riot has plenty of professionals whose job is for doing this sort of stuff, surely it couldn't be that hard for them?

I have a master's in Computer Science, and that shit is hard. Like, "if you successfully did something like this it would be considered a huge step forward in the field of AI" hard. Riot has said they've taken a few stabs at it, and the bots just end up feeding even harder than the laning-only ones against good players.

Doom Bots were hardcoded to go to the dragon/baron pit every time it spawned. In fact, IIRC they teleported there. Real people can't consistently make good calls about when to contest Dragon/Baron, and you think Riot can make AI that does it better?

Now, you could have cheating AI (moreso than it already does -- like it could always have vision of everyone, even more free items/gold, reduced cooldowns, etc.) to make it harder, but I'm not sure this would really improve the feeling of the games.

Killer X 122 votes

It takes like 4 minutes just to get 5 people for an intermediate bots game. The only reason i'd want better bots would be to do things alone in customs, and even then it makes much more sense to practice stuff against real people.

Theads1 votes

I usually wait ~2 minutes to find a match personally.

IcyPepper2 votes

know how to meta

The meta is a player thing for efficiency and a baseline for strangers to base teams off.

Hell, I've even seen mid lane against Galio as Garen, won bot lane as Fiora, and Quinn top lane is theoretically "not-meta." The meta should not be enforced, because it is constantly changing. The meta is the effect, and the cause is the players, from a noob to LCS pros (AP Tryndamere had to start somewhere, you know).

NorthernDruid1 votes

As long as you leave the dominion difficulty as is. I'd hate to be trashed by the bots there even more frequently. o.0

Dominion bots could use more diversity in teamcomps though, I'm getting tired of seeing 3 tanks + a tanky mage + a single adc.

Bots which do more of the strategic stuff would be really cool though.

Centuros1 votes

Intermediate bots do ward bushes if they think you're in there, so they can attack you.

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