Riot Ranked Aram PLEZ

StrikingVenom236·Mar 13, 2015·6 votes·815 views

I mean why can not there be a ranked aram it would be super fun but people are going to ban aoe champs like azir and galio all the time, and jax hes op in aram

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Dr JarjarbinksMar 13, 20152 votes

I would love this as well. Its funny because aram seems really well populated but when I see threads suggesting this everyone says it could never work and terrible idea.

I wonder what it would cost riot to slap bans and ranks on ARAM, set up the queue and just see what happens

LevyathynMar 13, 20152 votes

I don't mind a different form to implement in rolling champions or ranks to climb overall, but this just doesn't make sense to me. ARAM doesn't come down to picks, counter-picks, bans, and objective strategy. It's almost 100% team composition, and the little wiggle room there is would be removed on two facing teams of equal skill levels.

Simply put, the team with the better area damage, sustain, poke, etc that team wins. Even taking into account bans, the bar would vary so wildly as to be unpredictable. No matter how good someone is and in what roles, ARAM removes that by making it luck. And sure, you can roll all your team's mains, but you can also roll shit champions, or good champions that happen to be blindly countered by the enemy. With no choice in the matter, or oversight.

Even with ten bans, even with twenty, every champion left will still come down in a random mix and leave one team on a much better footing overall.

Iceborn PippinMar 13, 20152 votes

More like there isn't meta for Draft Picking and if it was implemented there would be common bannings like how there is in normal drafting as a meta would form. If Draft Banning in ARAM was a thing, a meta would form and we would see champs like Sona or Master Yi having a high ban rate.

If I banned Master Yi, Sona and Soraka as "captain" in this Draft Banning, it would have an impact. It would mean that some of the most common champs to see in ARAM would be seen less.

LevyathynMar 14, 20151 votes

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More like there isn't meta for Draft Picking and if it was implemented there would be common bannings like how there is in normal drafting as a meta would form. If Draft Banning in ARAM was a thing, a meta would form and we would see champs like Sona or Master Yi having a high ban rate.

If I banned Master Yi, Sona and Soraka as "captain" in this Draft Banning, it would have an impact. It would mean that some of the most common champs to see in ARAM would be seen less.

But there are a few hundred overpowered team comps in ARAM, and you don't pick. A ban is literally plucking choices away from your enemies and, in turn, working with the limitations they give your choices--it works because of a meta, true, but it also works because you have five people with skills and teamworks and combos and skilled champions picking into favorable situations for themselves.

High ELO/LCS bans are commonly seen, and taken with a knowledge of an enemy laner and team composition, the same with picks. And the system works, but that doesn't mean it always would--in ARAM, for example. The important key there that makes bans work is the picking, and without that, with the random bit, the bans wouldn't matter. It's not that some teams end up OP, and that's the only thing the bans would change... it's that some teams, possibly many teams, possibly most of them--don't.

ARAM is a very specific and tightly designed. There's no choice at all, from which lane to take, to which champion to take, to when to go back. And there will always be matches where one team gets better champions, with no side objectives, jungle, or open lanes to farm for various strategies. It's a straight teamfight with towers to push and nothing else, and this will always strictly enforce the viability of various champions in the game.

And I know my argument may not sway you, but I play a lot of ARAM, and I've seen some of the most OP champions and tea, fall through. It's not all about having a Katarina's area damage, a Nidalee's poke, a Sona's heals and ult, a Galio's engage--or even all of these on one team. It's about an all AP team with high damage, crowd control, and poke losing because they have no AD. Or it' about a high damage top tier ARAM team losing because they didn't get a tank.

And you can't have a serious, ranked competitive game when it will fall down to who wins and loses because of one small detail like that, rolled on dice at the start of the game. At least, that's how I feel.

Dr JarjarbinksMar 16, 20151 votes

What if riot found a way, and idk if it reasonable to ask, to eliminate the most absurd comps? With a champ minimum as high as riot wants it they can have basically as much wiggle room as they want. Now I personally stand against this on principal, imo the purity of random comps is one of the core attributes of an aram game that cannot be lost or given to people who have no idea how to strategize on aram. The people who if given a choice would end up with an all poke comp with little cc and get stomped by a kat+mumu+xin. The random comp is the source of the uniquely creative gameplay that can occur in an aram. If you have played aram enough you know the games that no one knows who is going to win or how to win and its back and forth and in the end win or lose it was fucking amazing. We cant lose that in a ranked version.

Edit: I would like to add that I also don't want to strict a meta, meaning that I also don't want people who do know aram and can strategize pre game lobby into absurdity.

billdowSep 28, 20151 votes

So the prerequisite's would be: Level 30 (Duh) Own all champions Be in good standing and considered non-toxic (30 or negative/lost less Tribunal cases) the pick ban phase will be back and forth one at a time 15 seconds each. (turn will end once ban is completed) Everyone gets to ban one champion then all are blocked except the random button and you can only hit it once(no re-rolls) If you fail to click the random button a random champion will be assigned( Teemo ) If you fail to ban on your turn a random champion will be banned( Teemo )