Riven shouldn't be a Noxian anymore

MS exceI·12/7/2018, 7:28:33 AM·26 votes·16,442 views

Saw a cool picture the other day depicting riven as a noxian general. It made me realise the new riven riot created has no real way to get back to noxus.

She is shown to be someone in the process of becoming an ionian, someone who really hates noxus and wants nothing to do with it. She completely turned her back on the empire and blames it for the mistakes of individuals(for her own mistakes too)

Even if riot magically made her realise she wants to be a noxian again it just wouldnt work out. She betrayed her homeland. Her faith that was the only recognisable thing about her is now non-existent. She is not a good commander. She does not understand war nor how the noxian empire functions. She is very gullible. She spends years building up ionian homes instead of wandering and learning about the world. Thus when she would return to noxus she would have no real knowledge of the outside world. She would be worthless to noxus, a traitor or a mere puppet

But even if magically noxus embraced her return it would be quite hilarious seeing riven lecture swain or darius on how the empire or the military should be run. She has her fancy imaginary ideas while the others bled for noxus and literally went through hell for it. They worked their ass off to make noxus better and keep it from falling apart. Theres no way that would work out

Riven, as she is should be an ionian, a disillusioned soldier who found a new life. The other part of her old lore wouldnt work out anymore.

Thoughts?

46 Comments

YDy2ZkRq0212/7/2018, 10:37:18 AM15 votes

I agree with almost all of your post. However

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Disagree.

Riven still represents the best of what Noxus is and could be. Currently she is being tempered and reforged by Ionia.

Ugh, I still hate this comment.

RiotWAAARGHbobo12/7/2018, 10:19:19 PM9 votes

That which was broken, must be reforged. But is Riven who was broken? Or the ideals she thought she served?

BronzeDriver12/7/2018, 7:29:54 PM4 votes

I pray to god that Riven doesn't become Ionian, for two reasons

  1. Ionia is already the most populated nation in terms of champions, they don't need it
  2. It would make both Rivens and Noxus' storys so boring compared to what it was/should still be

If Riot when with making Riven just an Ionian, this would be her story "i was with the bad people but now i'm with the good people" I don't want that to be Riven's story because that is not what Noxus is any more. its not just some evil empire that uses child fighters and gas bombs, that was Darkwill and Singed who because Swain was at Ionia when this was done overthrew Darkwill and other than demons it worked because Noxus as a nation agreed or at least was convinced that Swain was right and Darkwill was not.

Also Riven is to be blunt every good thing about Noxus in a single champion, she was an orphan on a farm but through her own grit, drive, and strength was able to not only able to be an honored warrior with a gifted rune blade but was given her own Warhost to lead. Only "beaking" when she lived after a battle she should has loss because of Singed's Chemical Carpet Bombing. Riven, as far as i can tell still would still believe in Noxus' "Strength in all its forms" stuff even if she "like the old lore" thinks that Noxus itself is failing to uphold that belief. If she instead just went that Ionia's belief systems are better than mean old Noxus, it would kill a lot of the effort Riot made to make Noxus more than just "Evil Empire.exe".

but i will admit to being biased

tamaya12/7/2018, 9:09:49 PM4 votes

This is just my humble opinion, but I think that the idea that "Riven is no longer a Noxian, She is very Ionian." is a Western way of thinking. (Noxus is "Noxus will accept you if you become a Noxian") The act that she was in as a Noxian person can not be erased, It is a abominable crime. However, it is also an unchangeable personal history that formed her personality. For example, if Xin had a reason to fight for Demacia, it would be "for loving Demacia", but Riven would be "atonement for the acts she did as a Noxian." I want that the idea of Ionia is "You are a Noxian, but Ionia accepts everything about you." And I want to see Riven living for Ionia as a "Noxian."

CasterGilgamesh12/7/2018, 9:19:15 PM4 votes

i dont want Riven to just become an ionian because that would just mean she was running away from her past and disregarding what made her the person she **was and still is ** but then again im biased on Noxus and believe it should defeat demacia

Encshy12/8/2018, 8:28:16 AM2 votes

"Noxus" betrayed her, the only good reason for riven to go back is to take revenge.

Why would anyone want to go back after they tried to kill her? She wanted a family in her lore nothing else. After she got in with the army she started to believe their ideals and etc.

Riot made this new riven a very very poor girl who gets everyhelp she wants without moving a finger.

I really miss the old strong Riven where her quotes and ingame character matched to her "lore".

You can say that she is broken or whatever but this is not okay. I just dont wanna see this riven who was reforged by ionai to go back noxus and join them again. Of course if SHE would be strong enough to reforge herself than ok but why with ionia, why does she accept herself as their daughter if she a noxian.

Ionain accept her because they were led to believe that she hates noxus.

Encshy12/7/2018, 5:20:06 PM2 votes

I agree with with you, i just cant stand the way how riot wants to bring this new riven back to noxus.

In her story they established that her only goal was to find a family. She found it in ionia the old couple protected her form every harm, and she acknowledged herself as their daughter.

The ionian set up a trial only for her wich is a luxury because yasuo didnt even get to say a word. Riven would be an awful person if she threw all this kindness and love away.

After all it was thanks to ionai that riven wants to live at all, she shouldnt be changing sides so often.

I really miss the old lore of her and yasuo where we fans were waiting for their battle, and riven was hunted by ionians and not forgiven in a day or two.

[sg-soraka]

General Esdeath 12/7/2018, 6:02:16 PM2 votes

I need to catch up on her lore. Last I remembered she wanted to make noxus better and had no plan so it was a dead end.

I do know she has relations in Ionia and when I’m off from work tomorrow I’ll look it all up. But I’d love for her to stay Noxian by birth but be associated with Ionia. I want her story to have more than a dead end.

Also, wasn’t Redeemed Riven supposed to be an AU Where’s shes demacian?

PS post the picture you referenced please? :D

Terozu12/7/2018, 9:13:57 PM2 votes

You're so focused on what Noxus is you forget to ask what it can be.

Riven is asking what it can be.

The Whamboozler12/7/2018, 10:48:57 PM2 votes

Silly OP, don't you know that the weeb life is the best life? Noxus isn't anime enough, and given that the average Riven player owns at least seven body pillows and spends all their non-league time eating pocky and writing fanfiction... it's a natural fit for Riven to just embrace their lifestyle herself. She has finally understood what her players already know... that japan Ionia is superior to every other country in every way and one can only hope to echo it's greatness by mimicking it.

Also it has NOTHING AT ALL to do with the fact that league is a huge deal in a China and Korea, I'm sure.

That said, conspiracy theories aside... it does fit her story well to lose faith in her home after seeing their war crimes and embrace a humble life of trying to repay the country she formerly fought out of guilt. I don't actually have much beef with her story, just how obnoxiously anime-inspired the game is overall. I get that shit is popular but I've always preferred European-style fantasy over JRPG style and anime style fantasy. Personal preference. Either the Riot staff are catering hard to the asian market or they're just big time anime fans... but there is a LOT of it in league.

EdgeLady12/7/2018, 4:18:59 PM1 votes

I think part of the issue here is Kayn. He's a Noxian in looks, behavior, all, yet since he now calls Ionia his home, he's labeled as an Ionian. So why not Riven? Or, if she's still labeled as Noxian, why isn't Kayn? He's far more "Noxian" by definition than she is anyway. And even his other half, Rhaast, has since been revealed to be of Shuriman origin.

Moonshade12/7/2018, 3:43:02 PM1 votes

Riven was seduced by Noxian ideals, she believed in their dream and standards of might makes right and the strong deserve power. However she didn't quiet realize what that entailed, how for the strong to rise its usually on a mountain of corpses. When she saw the savagery of the Noxian High Command and the lengths they were willing to go to for victory (friendly fire, chemical weapons, etc...) she became disillusioned with the "Noxian Dream." She believed in the honourable gladiatorial Noxus not a Noxus that exists to grind everyone else under their boot.

When Riven realized this her whole sense of self worth was shattered and she deserted the Noxian army. She lived for that whole ideal and built herself up to be a weapon of Noxus, she based her whole identity on it, so she wound up what is essentially a broken slate after it happened. She's becoming a born again Ionian trying to reforge her sense of self and her honor

Penta Penguin12/7/2018, 7:30:03 PM1 votes

Bandle City when?

Quil Evrything12/7/2018, 3:26:44 PM1 votes

nation association in lore, realy is only as a representative of where they are FROM, not their current nationality. after all there are a lot of champs from "The Void". but they dont LIVE in the void, do they