Why does Kayle have boob armor?

swan2swan··193 votes·49,464 views

When I first played League, I remember being surprised to find that Kayle was a woman. It was very much like the legendary Samus reveal of old--looking at an armored figure and foolishly assuming that it must be a man underneath, but then finding that "Kayle" (a name that gives nothing away) was the name of a woman and that it was actually a super-awesome lady angel in practical armor. It was such a refreshing change, and it helped to establish her as one of my faves.

The whole "fooling people into thinking she's a boy" element is not a necessary element of her character, but I really hate the fact that her new splash art is so...typical female art. Look at how she folds her leg so you can see her butt, look at how her breast is actually covering her head as she thrusts it upward...it's also so blocky and bulky, and doesn't have any of the grace or majesty that Kayle is supposed to exude. It looks ridiculous, and I am very glad that I already have several skins for her so that I never have to look at such a ridiculous appearance. She's not looking down upon us, preparing to smite the world with her justice--she's showing off her butt and boobs and gesturing for us to join her in the private shell she's forming.

Compare the splash to every other Kayle skin there is if you want to see what I mean. Every other splash art conveys Kayle perfectly...except for the default. And that is a huge problem.

327 Comments

CupcakeTrap70 votes

The artist is clearly very skilled, but I think a reroll on this one might make sense.

The weird golden egg is a peculiar way to represent her ult, which I pictured as a holy aura of celestial magic, rather than … a giant bronze egg she's hiding inside.

The boobplate is weird for all the usual reasons. And it's extra-weird because this is Kayle — whatever nonsense they do with her new lore, her archetype is going to remain "warrior angel".

OP made a good point explaining what I found strange about her posture: her hips and legs are very oddly positioned so that she can show off her butt. Kayle descending toward the viewer is compelling, but if you're going that route she should be charging headlong with her sword raised to strike, with her torso and shoulders forward, and her wings dominating the space behind her. If they want a less aggro image, then I think her previous splash had it basically right: have her serene, aloft, and balanced.

Skyler Lvl10010 votes

Well put . As an Aether Wing player I'm starting to see the need for Kayle's splash to defend her character identity.

Fun fact from a Kayle main, I thought Kayle's name was pronounced "kay-lee" and saw her as a lady from the get go. She was the first champion I wanted to play after picking her out of the other 100 by her cool champion Icon. The love has been long lasting.

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Motajo13 votes

The weird golden egg is a peculiar way to represent her ult, which I pictured as a holy aura of celestial magic, rather than … a giant bronze egg.

Yeah, I had no clue what that egg-like thing was supposed to be until you mentioned Intervention.

The boobplate is weird for all the usual reasons.

What was their official reasoning for this kind of thing? Something about seeing in-game models from a distance? Bah, it was some shoddy excuse like that.

And it's extra-weird because this is Kayle — whatever nonsense they do with her new lore, her archetype is going to remain "warrior angel".

Let's hope so. At this point, not much they do to the characters can surprise me.

RiotCarnival Knights53 votes

The weird golden egg is a peculiar way to represent her ult, which I pictured as a holy aura of celestial magic, rather than … a giant bronze egg she's hiding inside.

Just an observation, as I'm not part of the art team - In medieval theology there's something called the nine choirs of angels, which sorts various angels from Judeo-Christian (Catholic, mostly) religious texts into rank order under the divine. One of those orders is called the Thrones, or the angels of submission, authority, and humility. They're giant orbs (described as a wheel inside of another wheel) that reside in the part of creation where the physical begins to take shape, and pieces of the greater choirs reside inside them.

Kayle's current splash seems (again, not part of the art team) to draw heavily from apocryphal depictions of angels, from the sphere of physical gold manifesting from nothing to the seraphic warrior with the gleaming sword residing inside. I happen to find it quite beautiful... though as you might be able to tell, I'm a bit biased.

Legacy of Xion4 votes

The weird golden egg is a peculiar way to represent her ult, which I pictured as a holy aura of celestial magic, rather than … a giant bronze egg she's hiding inside.

Just an observation, as I'm not part of the art team - In medieval theology there's something called the nine choirs of angels, which sorts various angels from Judeo-Christian (Catholic, mostly) religious texts into rank order under the divine. One of those orders is called the Thrones, or the angels of submission, authority, and humility. They're giant orbs (described as a wheel inside of another wheel) that reside in the part of creation where the physical begins to take shape, and pieces of the greater choirs reside inside them.

Kayle's current splash seems (again, not part of the art team) to draw heavily from apocryphal depictions of angels, from the sphere of physical gold manifesting from nothing to the seraphic warrior with the gleaming sword residing inside. I happen to find it quite beautiful... though as you might be able to tell, I'm a bit biased.

Id personally take it alot better if it wasnt melting from her damn hand - since every skin has her point her sword up as she casts it.

Otherwise I agree its a beautiful piece of artwork. But does it truly fit Kayle, the judicator? And why isnit so dark, if she is supposed to be angelic?

John Berserk7 votes

I dont see it as melting from her hand, I think she just moved her hand through it. Her foot and sword would likely cause a similar effect within the sphere if she moved them as well.

As for the splash being so dark, it's really only dark *outside *of the bubble, whereas everything within it (including Kayle herself and even the sky beyond) is bright. The only reason she looks "menacing" is because her face is shrouded, as it's always been on her base skin.

I think the splash does her justice, personally. Kayle isn't a perfect source of "goodness" and "benevolence", she is "law" and "order". She does what needs to be done for the greater good, regardless of "morality". The new splash I think does an excellent job of neither showing her to be good nor bad, but rather a paragon of someone who gets shit done (pardon my language), regardless of whatever it takes to do so.

CupcakeTrap14 votes

Just an observation, as I'm not part of the art team - In medieval theology there's something called the nine choirs of angels, which sorts various angels from Judeo-Christian (Catholic, mostly) religious texts into rank order under the divine. One of those orders is called the Thrones, or the angels of submission, authority, and humility. They're giant orbs (described as a wheel inside of another wheel) that reside in the part of creation where the physical begins to take shape, and pieces of the greater choirs reside inside them.

Kayle's current splash seems (again, not part of the art team) to draw heavily from apocryphal depictions of angels, from the sphere of physical gold manifesting from nothing to the seraphic warrior with the gleaming sword residing inside. I happen to find it quite beautiful... though as you might be able to tell, I'm a bit biased.

I also really enjoy Judeo-Christian mythology, and fantasy re-interpretations of it. I mentioned In Nomine in another thread, and though I feel a bit silly responding to your more scholarly allusion with a tabletop RPG setting, I'll bring it up again, and say that I believe you're referring to Ofanim. Of course, the In Nomine interpretation of Ofanim differs considerably from the more abstract/Kabbalah version which I believe you're referencing. Incidentally, if you're ever looking for some clever ways of handling supernatural elements in fantasy, I definitely recommend a flip-through of the In Nomine materials. It's one of my favorite fantasy worlds, and certainly the most intriguing tabletop RPG setting I've encountered. In particular, they do a really good job describing celestial and infernal politics. (Its applicability to LoL is debatable, as it's more "modern occult" than high fantasy.)

On that same topic, if you're feeling more like a film, there's always The Prophecy. (Five second pitch: Christopher Walken as a fallen archangel, and Viggo Mortensen as Lucifer.) At one point, a loyal angel has a line whose excellent delivery calls both the dark and light aspects of Demacia to mind: Sometimes you just have to DO what you're TOLD.

As for Kayle, again, I'm deeply impressed by the artist's style and skill, but I just can't make myself like the metal egg approach to her ult. For one thing, it suggests a physical barrier, rather than something that Kayle could strike through. It's almost like she's being trapped.

I do agree with you that the angel bearing a fiery sword which turns every way is one of the most majestic and compelling images in Western mythology. Kayle's voicework is exemplary, and I hope the new VO retains its resonance. I wanted to call it "booming", but on reflection it's more … steely? Very well-characterized, in any case.

Rivenwind4 votes

As a kayle fan, I really like the artist's skill and interpretation of her character. But I feel that the burnished, dramatic appearance that they tried for is really too dark overall, imo, especially compared with her previous splash. It's almost diablo-esque to me. The metallic ult, given it's current in-game particle effect is very misleading. Literally, the first thing I thought when I was looking at it was "Oh, so it's like zhonya's." which is mechanically true to a point, but not honestly what I'd expect artistically.

What I do like about it though is the "hot/molten" look that you can see on its fringes and especially around kayle's hand, which I feel is far more fitting and truly suggests how powerful Kayle's ultimate ability is and stays true to it's current in-game effect. But what I find interesting about it is that we see parts of her body projecting from the sphere (apparently covered/protected as hinted by the sheen on the leftmost wing), enabling her ability to fight...but with its solid appearance, how in the world would Kayle be able to see if she became fully encapsulated in this metallic field as the image suggests?

As for the whole boob-plate thing...my major gripe with it is the fact that boob-plates are entirely impractical (they direct blows to the sternum, re: good way to die) but I feel it's a breach of kayle's character concept as a judicator. They often depict justice as blindfolded, representing an unbiased view. Justice and angels in general, as two abstract concepts I feel are sexless, genderless and an embodiment of their purpose. I don't feel it's a bad thing that kayle is female to begin with, but I feel that to her character, her sex/gender is merely an afterthought to her duty to her people, and her place the league.

Her sword...just nyeh. She'll still beat you to death with it, but I'm not sure if it's because they don't die laughing first. It's true to her in-game model, but I feel with so many "newer" champions with far more sinister, wicked, and intimidating weapons (however highly fantasized) Kayle's own arsenal might need a little love.

Also, anyone notice that her tabard/sash is entirely missing from the splash?

Remlap122338 votes

Aw, really rito? You're giving the holy and majestic angel that's supposed to be THE only unsexualized woman in the game that isn't a Yordle, an animal, or a little girl boobplates in her splash art? Ugh. I understand keeping things consistent, but one, boobplates aren't pratical irl, and two, this is Kayle! Despite being very beautiful once her helmet is off, she isn't meant to be pandering sexually in any way, because she's supposed to be a stereotypical angel. Boobplates are always sexually pandering. I'm fine with that, just not on Kayle.

Direwolfiez8 votes

Dude, people can sexualize anyone and anything. Rule 34, my friend, Rule 34. At least it's not as overtly sexual as Ashe's taunts are.

Remlap122326 votes

Riot isn't some sweaty guy with an uncomfortable affection for Rainbow Dash, they're a game company. Splash arts are supposed to be reflective of the character, Riot isn't looking to make angel porn. The only angel in this game that should be showing her boobs off is Morgana.

CupcakeTrap18 votes

The only angel in this game that should be showing her boobs off is Morgana.

I brought Morgana up in a prior thread on female character design in LoL. I think she's a success. It didn't seem weird to me that Morgana was stalking around with a huge skirt and no top: it's like she just doesn't bother getting dressed up for these pitiful mortals. It comes across as self-assured and even contemptuous, which feels right for her character. Or, heck, maybe she just didn't want to fuss around with fitting her wings through a garment. Her personality is so compelling that the extra splash of sexiness doesn't wash it away.

Remlap122319 votes

Honestly, Morgana is one of the best fleshed out characters in the game. Despite being gray skinned, pale eyed, and downright just evil looking, she's quite beautiful, and her backstory isn't just devil to Kayle's angel. It portrays Kayle as self-righteous, and Morgana liberating. It's quite interesting.

CupcakeTrap13 votes

Honestly, Morgana is one of the best fleshed out characters in the game. Despite being gray skinned, pale eyed, and downright just evil looking, she's quite beautiful, and her backstory isn't just devil to Kayle's angel. It portrays Kayle as self-righteous, and Morgana liberating. It's quite interesting.

Morgana's VO is so good. I just hope they don't go all Ashe on her and redo her voice in some playful breathy princess way.

YOU TOO WILL BE JUDGED.

2nd Fiddle14 votes

Or, heck, maybe she just didn't want to fuss around with fitting her wings through a garment.

This becomes a much better explanation when you realize she probably doesn't have a lot of dexterity in her wings anymore.

AbiwonKenabi10 votes

I'm fine with that, just not on Kayle.

I think this sums up my feelings. Despite boob-plates not being practical, I understand their visual appeal. There is no place for them on Kayle, however. There's something attractive about Kayle, despite being beautiful underneath, doesn't really care about her appearance as much as she cares about her duty. Hence the need for armor over the need for that armor to be attractive. Plus we don't have really any other female characters like this in League.

Der Lindwurm17 votes

I had just gotten done commenting to some friends on how Kayle's boob plate isn't nearly so ridiculously exaggerated as everyone else's when up pops this new splash art as though I'd tempted fate.

MrBuffington9 votes

I agree, it's actually fairly similar to her original splash https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_L78zEKWCMII/TR5xkdaN14I/AAAAAAAABR8/WysfLMM1btA/s1600/Judicator_Splash_0.jpg I think the camera angle just gives it a bit more depth than we saw before. Most of her splash arts have at least some definition around the chest; Unmasked Kayle is the most neutral, where Battleborn Kayle has the most boob-armor.

CupcakeTrap11 votes

I had just gotten done commenting to some friends on how Kayle's boob plate isn't nearly so ridiculously exaggerated as everyone else's when up pops this new splash art as though I'd tempted fate.

This is why we can't have nice things.

John Berserk15 votes

Do people really think this splash art is "sexualizing" Kayle? Really?? Guys, she's looking down at her enemy. She's not thrusting her boobs out, she's not sticking her butt out, she doesn't look "sexy" at all. She looks like a female in armor meant for a female.

Yes the "boob armor" may seem silly to some, but it's not like they designed it to be completely impractical. It doesn't look too different from her current splash art. It's just the angle the shot is from that makes them look larger, because it's from beneath them, not directly in front. And again, that shouldn't be a problem. She can be a female and look like a female too.

Think of it this way: Why would someone like Kayle need "practical" armor, like armor you or I would wear? We can't fly, we can't swing a blade and burn up a large area in front of us, we can't shoot magic balls of.. idk, raw justice at people to slow them down, but she can. All she can do, because she's an angel, is more than enough imo to compensate for the fact that her boobs on her armor may not be the best for actual swordfighting, which, lets be honest, Kayle almost never does.

ShadowGlaive21313 votes

She can be a female and look like a female too.

Nothing wrong with this, but I think we have enough champions that fit into the category. Kayle added diversity which appears to be slowly disappearing.

Futanarilover15 votes

The inner history buff in me, is annoyed at this change. I know armor and how it was used/made it didn't discriminate between genders. I could point to a number of female warriors in history., that had regular armor. Joan of Arc being the most obvious

Destínum14 votes

I find it so sad that Riot can't let a female character just be their character and not have their gender be a big part of their character. Seriously, almost every single champion that is only defined by their archetype is defaulted to male.

gay skarner 14 votes

There are so many splash arts that contort the spines of the pictured female champion. Boobs out front, ass out back. It's really kind of annoying, as if while busy destroying their enemies they're saying, "Don't forget to check me out! T&A are my most important attributes!"

Armor that hides these aspects is to be avoided lest someone is unable to pop a boner during lane phase.

cshakes13 votes

Also, notice the masses of female champions with noodle arms? Yeah, sure, of course Riven can swing her huge sword without a sweat, no muscles required. Never mind that Ryze has more muscle and he's a mage.

Tsaalyo12 votes

Alright, let me explain something to you about breasts.

Breasts are not flush with the rest of the body.

They protrude forward. So, you have two options. You can either have a cylinder of armor that leaves a couple inches of empty air above and below her breasts, or you can have it pressing her breasts into her, which would be very goddamn uncomfortable after a while. Armor needs to conform to the contours of the body to be comfortable. This is how normal clothes work, this is how wetsuits work, why not armor?

In b4 BUT HISTORICALLY THERE HAS NOT BEEN BOOB ARMOR.

Historically, women were barefoot and pregnant when men were marching around in full plate. Today, the modern military's kevlar DOES conform with the breasts. Comfort matters. Deal with it.

Voishin17 votes

Congratulations on "explaining something" while having no idea what you're talking about.

Although yes, breasts do protrude from the body, they are not (unless filled with silicone) rocks; they are often quite squishy. I have a feeling you have very little (read: zero) experience with them. Things like sports bras used today are great examples of how much the size and visibility of a womans chest can be reduced while retaining enough comfort to perform vigorous exercises unimpeded.. and that's just a relatively thin piece of fabric.

There's also the fact that plate armor does not rest against the skin, there are multiple layers of padding between flesh and metal to absorb and distribute force. You have no understanding of this subject either. A proper set of plate armor has enough layers to relatively (if not completely) comfortably fit even the bustiest of women.

The most important thing about plate armor is the rounded nature of it; it causes sharp direct attacks to glance away and blunt ones to be distributed and absorbed. It is important because a weapon (designed to be able to penetrate armor) will ALWAYS penetrate armor of equal material and craftsman quality unless it glances away (or doesn't have enough force which is irrelevant to this). Boob armor, on the other hand, creates a point that would glance a blow into the heart, completely opposed to its purpose.

Ignoring actual combat, simply falling forward in boob armor could easily cause the collar bone to snap and/or compact the center of the chest, potentially killing the wearer (not that a snapped collar bone wouldn't be quite likely death on its own back then).

There have also been quite a few females in chest armor through history; Joan of Ark wasn't the only one, just the most well known. In battle they would be largely indistinguishable from males on the field (which was preferable as an injured male on the battlefield would very likely be killed, an injured female would not be.. for a while).

You're also, funnily enough, wrong about boob armor. It did exist, but was ornamental and/or sexual, but never for combat.

Lastly, you've never actually seen a military woman in a kevlar vest, have you? Hint: The vest doesn't become boob shaped.

Tsaalyo2 votes

Oh the ad hominems. "Lol you like boob armor you must be a fedora neckbeard virgin", right? Sorry, I have plenty of experience with them, being in a relationship for about 8 years and all. The question is, do YOU have any experience with them? Because I'm sorry, your breasts pressing into you, flush with your torso, for hours at a time, WOULD be severely uncomfortable. It just would be. I don't know what to tell you. It would be. Period. Talk to a woman. Even your mother, if you must.

Second, I'm sorry you felt the need to jump to the absolute extreme of "kevlar perfectly cups each boob and even nipple". The kevlar DOES have a forward curve for the comfort of the wearer. There is indeed a threat of bullets bouncing upwards, but this is nullified by the soldier leaning slightly forward - something all soldiers are trained to do, anyway. So again, it's cute that you're accusing other people of having no real-world experience in these matters, but for once, it really does seem to be opposite day.

I know you're immediately going to jump on "BUT KAYLE'S IS PERFECTLY BOOB CUPPING, THAT'S THE PROBLEM, WAH." You know what? This is a fantasy game. Just as the men are ten feet tall and 400 pounds of muscle, just as the other men are slender and sleek and chiseled like a Calvin Klein model, just as these men walk around topless in the arctic tundra (even though you whiners bitched about Sejuani doing it, lol typical hypocrisy), the women are going to be a touch on the sexualized side. Kayle is still clad hair to toe in solid armor, and you're bitching because she's not a solid tube? Pantheon runs around in his underwear, and you bitch about Kayle being too sexual? Christ, get a life.

cshakes11 votes

I have D cups, and the armor Brienne is wearing in this pic http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/117031/3660017-brienne.jpg looks completely peachy. I regularly wear sports bras that compress more than that.

Please bear in mind that regular plate, fitted for men, was historically worn with padding inside to cushion blows. There is no reason why women couldn't wear something with the same design as men and just stuff more padding into the gaps.

Tsaalyo3 votes

I have D cups, and the armor Brienne is wearing in this pic http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/117031/3660017-brienne.jpg looks completely peachy. I regularly wear sports bras that compress more than that.

Please bear in mind that regular plate, fitted for men, was historically worn with padding inside to cushion blows. There is no reason why women couldn't wear something with the same design as men and just stuff more padding into the gaps.

And where's that padding going to go? Stuffing MORE padding into the same space to somehow make the extra breast mass more comfortable isn't going to work. Frankly, I question whether or not you're even female, by offering such a ridiculous idea. Your two options are:

  1. Have a forward curve in the chest to accommodate the breasts.
  2. Have the entire piece of armor several inches forward, meaning extra mass, less maneuverability, less flexibility, and generally being a stupid idea.

Kayle's armor goes the right route. Is it sexualized by cupping each one rather than having a nondescript forward hump? Yes. And the moment you start whining about Pantheon's armor style, I'll take people like you seriously when you whine about how armor looks in a fantasy game.

cshakes15 votes

The extra padding would go between/around the boobs to help with jiggle problems.

Please note that historically regular plate has always had room for many, many layers of padding. It's not skin tight! You can fit boobs in it without making it boobplate!

We're complaining about Kayle's armor because it's sexualized. We're also complaining about it because it used to be better, and we want Riot to not break it. It's easier to make posts about something that's changing since then we're reminded about the thing's existence, and so is everyone else, thus more comments. Whether other characters in the game have sexualized/pointless/weird/badly designed armor is beside the point. We're talking about Kayle here.

(EDIT to remove typo.)

Tsaalyo5 votes

And what happened when we were talking about Sejuani, who's very lore revolved around her going into the cold wearing nothing? It wasn't just eye candy, it was integral to her character. Her people believe in her and follow her as a Chosen One because nobody else could have possibly survived such exposure. People like you bitched and moaned, forcing Sejuani to cover up more than your average shag couch. People like me brought up Tryndamere as a very relevant counterpoint, and where were people like you? Sitting on your hands.

This has never and will never be about "other characters". This will always be about women. That's all you care about. All the topless, armorless men running around, pretending to be soldiers? Oh, that's fine, who cares, gigglegiggle it's just a little bit of fun~. But the second a woman, who is 100% covered hair to fucking toe in armor plate, has a little bit of boob curvature on her armor, you blow a gasket. You're a hypocrite, you fixate only on what you personally do not like, and that's why nobody, neither playerbase nor Riot, takes you seriously.

I'd like to conclude by quoting one of the great inspirations of our time. He said, "winning is about heart... you just have to have it in the right place." The man who said it? Lance Armstrong. He was full of crap, and so are you.

AbiwonKenabi9 votes

No need to get so defensive. I think what cshakes was trying to say was simply this: What is appropriate for this character in particular? In this case, we are talking about Kayle. If they tried to lock MF or Ahri up in full plate, I assure you we (or at least me and plenty of others) would be up in arms over that too. It just doesn't fit their characters. Whether it fit Sejuani or not is arguable, but Sejuani's splash art isn't being discussed here; Kayle's art is.

I don't think you would disagree with me when I say that Kayle's character is not sexualized, she is all about duty above all else.

Tsaalyo3 votes

Define sexualized. Is Kayle not allowed to have some personality? Does she not want to look elegant? Being a divine angel, I'd assume she'd want to appear as godlike as she tries to be.

ALL the characters, men and women, have an unrealistic and historically inaccurate style to them, from knights not wearing helmets, to studious mages having bodies that put bodybuilders to shame. Kayle already has absolutely more armor than anyone besides maybe Mordekaiser, and the only reason THAT character wears as much as he does is because he doesn't want people to know who or what he is. It could be a hollow shell, for all we know. The simple fact is, this is a fantasy game. No character is going to be walking around in a historically accurate set of full plate steel, with the enclosed helmet with two tiny slits for eye holes. It's just not going to happen, **nobody **wants that in a fantasy game like LoL. Honestly, if that's what you want, go play Age of Empires or something. Kayle is indeed a business-first woman who armors up from hair to toe. But this is a fantasy game, there are certain archetypes that consumers of the fantasy genre want - men AND women - and one of those archetypes is stylized armor. Kayle's is VERY modest and practical, and if it still offends you this much, seek counseling.

AbiwonKenabi9 votes

I'm not even wanting it to be historically accurate: I'm no expert, but if you look at Kayle's current splash, I'm sure there are things that aren't right. I mean, that fact that she can even get airborne is a wonder with all that armor. But that's ok, because as you said its a fantasy game.

I suppose I should be more clear. I mean less "sexualized" and more "I'd like Kayle to be heavily armored and I don't want her gender to be important to her identity." By Riot adding more feminine features to her armor that weren't there before, they are saying "Hey, she needs to be girly" when this is really just not the case. "Is Kayle not allowed to have some peronality?" you say? Of course she's allowed a personality. And she already has one, since when do boob-plates add to her personality? Any changes to her armor in this splash do not add any elegance or god-like attributes to her what-so-ever. Furthermore, why would Kayle be elegant at all? She's a ferocious defender that soars over the battlefield to smite her foes. Does she really need to be girly or elegant? Would evil fear her more if she was? I have to disagree. Lastly, we already have a handful of other female champions that fill the "elegant" role much better than Kayle ever would.

Saying I'm "offended" by this splash art is a gross overstatement. I'm more displeased than anything else; I'm not going to lose sleep over this or anything. You say that there are certain fantasy archetypes, yet several of those archetypes are ones that Kayle fulfills with her more gender neutral qualities.

missinggrave13 votes

Alright, I have to put my two cents in here:

From a strictly non-historic viewpoint, I'll try to do my best to prove this from a SOCIAL point. When you look out in a crowded area - assuming it's during something that isn't an organized event - you see a multitude of people. Every day we see people from modest clothing, to provocative, to flamboyant, to religious (( I.E; Seen in Islam and Jewish practices )). Each person shows their personality in their own unique way and you can often tell a lot about a person STRICTLY from how they dress.

Now, let's take a look at some of the champions of League - specifically some enemies. Jarvan the Fourth is enemies with Urgot and Swain. Where he dresses in practical armor and helmet, making sure to use a lance to keep his target at bay, he also dresses in very striking colors to lead his men into battle (( I.E; Yellow, Red, White )). Then there's Urgot who wears no armor - aside from the potentially protective metal pieces he's constructed of thanks to Zaunites - has a wide arrangement of weaponry that he uses despite his preference to some and has very dull, dark colors showing his DEAD ((puns of damage)) and cruel personality. Then if we look at Swain, he wears limited to no armor depending on the skin you use and doesn't even USE a weapon because of Beatrice and magic. Swain however shares a similar pattern of bright colors to inspire his men but wears those colors in a fashion similar to inspiring a sense of confidence to believing in his plan versus his actions - after all, he's five steps ahead in a game of chess you already lost, who needs a second player?

Maybe I've done a bad job at explaining that, but TL;DR before I move on: Champions in the League often have different appearances in their clothes and armor based off of their personality and iconic rivalries with other champions.

Taking a look at Morgana and Kayle, they SHOULD follow the same pattern to remain consistent - since I know that Riot <3 consistency. Let's look at Morgana first to get a ground as to how Kayle should look, since this is a debate about her and not the two of them. Morgana revolves around being very liberated and being the "rebel with a cause" and is very comfortable with showing off her body in a form of self expression and freedom - even having dark wings and colors showing off her training in dark magic. I would expect her to even choose to not wear armor - even if it would be smarter - strictly to spite those who DO wear it. Kayle, however, is modest, she intends to remove all things that could cause chaos (( after all, she believes in strict rules and order )). This means she becomes someone who is not defined by their gender, no defined by their social rank, and not defined by individuality. She becomes someone defined by her actions in accordance to her morals. That's why people are upset, because even something like "boob armor" seems unlike her and to others it seems impractical. It simply doesn't fit what she stands for to them, and people want to make sure that is made clear to those at Riot to keep her the way she is already.

I hope I did a good job at explaining that, after all, I enjoy the diversity of characters in League from J4 to Ahri to Kayle and seeing their uniqueness taken away seems wrong and out of place.

Tsaalyo9 votes

Tryndamere runs around topless int he arctic. (Though, ironically, the SJWs bitched about Sejuani. Oh, the hypocrisy.) Pantheon runs around in spandex, just like all Spartans did, apparently. Ryze the battlemage runs around topless, because I guess he feels that his tattoos will stop a blade. Even Garen, despite being mostly armored, won't wear a helmet, because it's vitally important that we all see his smooth skin, rugged charm, and carefree brown locks. But Kayle's solid, hair to toe suit of armor has some feminine curvature? OMG THIS IS UNTHINKABLE.

Smh.

tau4315 votes

Garen suffers from a mental sickness known as "Spess Mahreen!" or Pauldrons Syndrome. It involves consistently wearing armor with oversized pauldrons and a tendency to charge helmetlessly at enemy soldiers, fully believing that it is inspiring to his men, even if it is suicidal.

Mattarias6 votes

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Tsaalyo6 votes

Honestly, I was going to write up a big thing to counter this ridiculous "BUT THAT'S JUST MALE POWER FANTASYYYYY", but thankfully, some nice person on 4chan already did the job for me.

Maxilimus8 votes

Boob armor because breast binding is uncomfortable

Filler52 votes

Boob armor is not practical nor comfortable in anyway. It weakens the armor and also gives your opponent an easier target for your heart. Your breasts would be scaved by the inner edges. Having normal armor might but slight pressure on the chest ( depending on your breastsize) but it will still be more practical and fit better than friggin idiot-boob-armor.

Give Kayle back her original hauberk!

Remlap12238 votes

From what I can tell by the original splash arts and her skins, I'd say Kayle probably has full Bs to small Cs at most. So most likely no pressure. Now Miss Fortune, Sona, and Ahri on the other hand...

Rew7112 votes

I'd say from when I first saw her, I mistook her for a he. They're probably fixing that by showing off what only she can. She pretty much only looks best with the helmet off in my opinion.

swan2swan20 votes

But then you learned that she WASN'T a "he". Which is important, I think, to the mindset of equality, and adds a little bit of subtle flavor to her character. What's wrong with mistaking her for a man at first glance? What's wrong with making people associate warrior women with more than breasts and figure?

CupcakeTrap22 votes

I think it's rather telling that when people see an armored figure with a weapon, and don't see boobs or a sexy pose, they assume this character is male. This is part of the problem with slapping tons of sex appeal on just about every female character: they become identified primarily for their sexiness, which drowns out other aspects of their character. Not to say that sexiness can't be part of someone's character: MF and Ahri are good examples.

In these debates, I think it's helpful to clarify that it's not about "suppressing sexiness" in some prudish, Puritanical way: it's about character expression. Those "male characters in sexy poses" parodies are enlightening. When you're being turned on by what you're seeing, it bothers you less. When you take that aspect away, it feels strange and alienating.

CptStarFall9 votes

This is part of the problem with slapping tons of sex appeal on just about every female character: they become identified primarily for their sexiness, which drowns out other aspects of their character. Not to say that sexiness can't be part of someone's character: MF and Ahri are good examples.

I absolutely agree, sexiness can make for good if not great character design but in the case of Kayle I simply do not see it as having a proper place after everything else that has been established on her.

Mr Binga17 votes

I definitely agree. I think Brienne from Game of Thrones is an amazing example of how to show a powerful female in armor without focusing on her sexuality. I see Kayle thematically as a protector, and the impractical boob armor doesn't convey that as much as plate mail.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/117031/3660017-brienne.jpg

For anyone wondering why boob armor is impractical, this article is pretty clear and concise: http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/05/boob-plate-armor-would-kill-you

Thanatar164 votes

That was a very interesting read to say the least- Personally I've never actually drawn boob-plated armor, but now that I've read this, it's definitely a good thing to know, for realism's sake should I ever actually draw a female knight...

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