Seen a few posts like this before. I suppose we could use an update since its almost 2016. Lets face it, Riot has officially created the strongest champion by lore, period. It's Kindred. Because Kindred is death, literally. You can't beat death! Expect for a few Shadow Isle champs that evaded her, the rest of our lovely champions have to die by Kindred's hand (hooves/paws) eventually. I think that makes sense.
Ebonmaw Dragon2 votesThey arent the "Strongest", they can kill anything (Except Zilean), but it doesnt means that they have physical strength
A strong creature has the "power to move heavy weights or perform other physically demanding tasks"... killing people doesnt means that you are strong, an insect can kill a human with a bite and it doesnt means that the insect is "strongest".
Sure, they are one of the most powerfull champions, but not by physical strength.
The "Strongest" would be a champion like 
who have physical strenght.
Longtowel1 votesChange Strong to Powerful?
Ebonmaw Dragon2 votes[{quoted}](name=Wrecked Wrecker,realm=OCE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=vAujMYWl,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-11-21T17:20:40.104+0000)
Change Strong to Powerful?
Maybe, but by raw destructive power, there are champions that are more powerfull than Kindred. 
have enough power to destroy the planet, or even the universe in the case of Bard.
Kindred may be able to kill almost everyone, but, it doesnt means that they have more Power... being unkilleable or being able to kill anyone dosnt mean that they are powerfull... i mean, look at 
or 
, they arent the most powerfull champions, but no one can kill them (Not even Kindred can kill Zilean)
Skelenth1 votesTo clear some things up: Olaf cannot be killed because he was foreseen to die by old age
I am not sure about Zilean, because: Zilean can revive people gameplay-wise, but I am not sure if he can lorewise rewind time. He could just have remade Urtistan then. Yet again, the only real ability we know Zilean has is to see different moments in time, due to his whatever-time-disease (forgot the actual name). Ingame he uses time bombs, like, the actual clockwork thing, and in Vel'Koz lore it says the Urtistan-clocktower would be filled with extremely modern machines. So maybe these are what Zilean is using actually. Now this is more theorycrafting than the "superman vs goku"-debate and it can't be proven by any means, except a red one flies by and says: "Nope, that's wrong". So I will just stop here.
Ebonmaw Dragon1 votesTo clear some things up: Olaf cannot be killed because he was foreseen to die by old age
I am not sure about Zilean, because: Zilean can revive people gameplay-wise, but I am not sure if he can lorewise rewind time. He could just have remade Urtistan then. Yet again, the only real ability we know Zilean has is to see different moments in time, due to his whatever-time-disease (forgot the actual name). Ingame he uses time bombs, like, the actual clockwork thing, and in Vel'Koz lore it says the Urtistan-clocktower would be filled with extremely modern machines. So maybe these are what Zilean is using actually. Now this is more theorycrafting than the "superman vs goku"-debate and it can't be proven by any means, except a red one flies by and says: "Nope, that's wrong". So I will just stop here.
_Zilean barely had time to grieve the momentous loss before he learned that his dangerous research had a cruel side effect: chrono-displasia. This mystical disease granted him immortality, but detached his consciousness from its anchor in the present time. He now mentally drifts through time, from any point he has already lived to the present, unable to impact the events which unfold. _
Zilean cant control the time, but everytime that he "dies", the time rewinds... not because he want, it just happens... he is cursed, his body frozen in the present time and his mind travels arround the past... he cant do anything about it and not even death has control over that.
Skelenth1 votesWell, I did not knew that
Rito Staff2 votesBut that's boring D:
And lore-wise it only kills that which time has come. It doesn't have a Will I think, but it doesn't matter.
A better, badly posed question by me is: "Who's the strongest whose description does not involve immortality, omniscient or any other unreachable virtue?" c::
Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes[{quoted}](name=Don Noat Amu,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=vAujMYWl,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-11-21T17:30:16.239+0000)
A better, badly posed question by me is: "Who's the strongest whose description does not involve immortality, omniscient or any other unreachable virtue?" c::
Actually, i thought that this thread was going to be about this question... so:
... if he is a human... and doesnt have immortality, omniscient or any other unreachable virtues
... if he is a normal human
... if he is actually holding the world up
... if she is not using hextech or magic to lift those fists
Illaoi... that rock must be heaby.
BraveryBeyond2 votes
... willingly went south of the Great Barrier, the place so savage and brutal no faction has dared try to settle it, and came back after hunting the most vicious creatures it had to offer.
...survived The Fleshing long enough to almost face 300 dudes.
...just, anything about him. Doesn't seem to feel pain, performed a coup against the Du Couteaus to rule Noxus, outwitted Jarvan IV before his man mode mission.
So many cool ass champions that don't need omnipotence in their stories to become legend.
Rito Staff1 votesvi prolly has fist propulsion
illaoi power is her gods power. Her own must be tied to her faith or channeling or something xp. How powerful is the kraken god? :| I bet anyone else wouldn't be able to grab that rock :C
It says Jax is a very skilled fighter. But up to what point does it matter vs magic? :C
Just now reading Ryze's lore, there are several types of magic, how do they interact? Because you can throw a punch into a face and it'll hurt, but what happens when you use expelliarmus against ryze's Q? Do they hit each other mid air?
When people say Jax is the strongest I don't know D:: Maybe amongst the fighters with melee weapons, but what about Viktor high tech weaponry? (He could still beat Viktor regardless, just pointing out)
So among the mortals, rito has to make showdown like those stickfigure videos
Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes[{quoted}](name=Don Noat Amu,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=vAujMYWl,comment-id=000500000001,timestamp=2015-11-22T01:51:57.742+0000)
vi prolly has fist propulsion
illaoi power is her gods power. Her own must be tied to her faith or channeling or something xp. How powerful is the kraken god? :| I bet anyone else wouldn't be able to grab that rock :C
It says Jax is a very skilled fighter. But up to what point does it matter vs magic? :C
Just now reading Ryze's lore, there are several types of magic, how do they interact? Because you can throw a punch into a face and it'll hurt, but what happens when you use expelliarmus against ryze's Q? Do they hit each other mid air?
When people say Jax is the strongest I don't know D:: Maybe amongst the fighters with melee weapons, but what about Viktor high tech weaponry? (He could still beat Viktor regardless, just pointing out)
So among the mortals, rito has to make showdown like those stickfigure videos
I thought that you were talking about physical streght only, no magic or tech... Sure that Illaoi has the help of her god, but look at those muscles, she must be the strongest human female in League.
Rito Staff1 votesShe is prolly c:: I was just rulling out Bard, Kindred etc because their super powers.
But when I see "strongest" I don't think in terms of which character would win in arm wrestling. But everything like skill, muscle, wits etc etc. Viktor has laser beams but maybe Jax dodges them. Or not D:
Narasimha1 votesThen it would have to be one of the Ascended. Though thats a grey area, since they do seem to be immortal, albeit through technically reachable means.
Rito Staff1 votesyup ascended means above us now
honestly I think we lack the information to tell. We don't really know the power of Bard, or Ryze or any other champion. We don't see the interaction of their arts. We know they're very powerful, Fiora is very skilled, Void creatures are very mysterious, Yas is very annoying.
In a cinematic/story anyways, who'd win? The most powerful or the main character? c::
Fatalitý2 votes
- In Gragas's lore- "Gragas is so fucking OP in the universe that when they brought him to the league of legends they nerfed his AP Ratios by 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000%"
So pretty sure hes the strongest.
100% confirmation that is his real lore that Riot wrote and not me confirmed........ Kappa
Wind Whistler2 votes[{quoted}](name=Im ChaIIenger,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=vAujMYWl,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2015-11-21T17:42:25.655+0000)
So pretty sure hes the strongest.
100% confirmation that is his real lore that Riot wrote and not me confirmed........ Kappa
His barrels alone could shatter the omniverse as we know it.
Fatalitý1 votesI wonder what his body slam must do O_o
BraveryBeyond1 votesWhile Jax's lore remains untouched, he is still canonically the most powerful champion in League of Legends lore wise. Death personified might roam the Rift, but give Jax an actual weapon and he'll still mop the floor with anyone, and even without he's still a superior opponent. Supporting quotes from his lore are as follows:
"Jax proved himself to be an immediate terror in the Fields of Justice. The self-proclaimed 'Armsmaster of the League' rattled off a streak of consecutive wins that to this day has not been matched."
"His Judgment was the quickest in League history, where the Doors of Acceptance glowed and slowly swung open as soon as it began. Jax faced no recorded Observation or Reflection during his Judgment."
"High Councilor Heyward Relivash, created special restrictions for Jax to fight under. This was something the League had never done before, and something that has never been done since.
"Neither the League's sanctions nor his own has affected his winning ways."
Jax is the unstoppable warrior in lore. He's made his mark which no other champion has been able to surpass. Until that lore gets reworked, no matter what another champion can do, in the lore, Jax can and has beaten them consistently enough to be one of the highest praised champions on the Fields of Justice.
Ebonmaw Dragon1 votesWhile Jax's lore remains untouched, he is still canonically the most powerful champion in League of Legends lore wise.
Except that the League of Legends does not exist lore wise and his whole lore is outdated and makes no sense in the new canon.
Longtowel1 votesStill, I'd like to believe Jax with a real weapon would be scary as F**k. I mean if we talk gameplay here, he's able to beat most people with a freaking lamp post. Wearing sandals. He's always been pretty strong regardless of the meta. I think for the few years I played LoL, hes always a decent pick... Man, if Jax had like a spear, or an axe, or a gun...
Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes[{quoted}](name=Wrecked Wrecker,realm=OCE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=vAujMYWl,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2015-11-21T17:32:49.850+0000)
Man, if Jax had like a spear, or an axe, or a gun...
What kind of difference it would make? That lamp post is heavy and its deadly and its more effective than using fist like 
"Neither the League's sanctions nor his own has affected his winning ways. The League has since rescinded its sanctions, but Jax has not; he fights and fights well with his trusty brass lamppost." This means that it doesnt matters the kind of weapon that he uses, he is skilled with anything
But do you really think that he would stand a chance againt someone like ?
He WAS the one of strongest champion when the league started (Not counting Chogath, because the summoners not even used a half of his power on the fields), but now? we dont know... Riot needs to uptade his lore first.
BraveryBeyond1 votesExcept his lore states that all of his accomplishments stand to this date and that he continues to achieve a high ratio of wins despite his self-imposed limitations. This means that even newcomers like Xerath have gotten beaten by Jax consistently enough that Jax is still considered the best in League from a lore stand-point.
As for your comment about a weapon, yes, he's skilled with anything and that's the point Jax is making. But he's still better with his chosen weapon (which is a mystery to us all) as he went undefeated with it.
Ebonmaw Dragon1 votesExcept his lore states that all of his accomplishments stand to this date and that he continues to achieve a high ratio of wins despite his self-imposed limitations. This means that even newcomers like Xerath have gotten beaten by Jax consistently enough that Jax is still considered the best in League from a lore stand-point.
As for your comment about a weapon, yes, he's skilled with anything and that's the point Jax is making. But he's still better with his chosen weapon (which is a mystery to us all) as he went undefeated with it.
But man, you dont understand something from the old lore: The champions are not actually fighting each other, the summoners, controlling the champions are fighting... The siple thing of being controlled by someone else its a limitation.
Sure, he was powerfull inside the Fields Of Justice, but outside its another story... I mean, in the old lore, the only reason of why the world was not destroyed by ChoGath was because the Summoners were not letting him fully enter in Runeterra
BraveryBeyond1 votesFrom my understanding from lore posts, judgements and JoJs, when a champion is summoned into the Fields of Justice, it's a union between summoner and champion. The entire reason for the Judgement process that was imposed was to both assess how a particular champion would react to having another entity in its mind and to see what drives said champion to make sure they aren't admitting weak willed individuals (y'know, having to survive the trauma of dying repeatedly over 30 minutes can take a toll on a lesser individual). Champions had control over their actions and were guided by their summoners, but the summoner could also apply enough control to make the champion do certain things. Not exactly how they wanted it done, but enough that if you said "Cho'Gath, go top", Cho could be forced to stroll on up to top as he sees fit to do. I don't think this would normally be exerted, however, as the summoning pact between champion and summoner would require them to have an agreement to be summoned in the first place. How a summoner gained more pacts was through reputation by gaining success and experience through matches, whether sanctioned events, practice or even bets between summoners! The most successful champions were the ones that bonded with their summoners on a much deeper level, unifying their skills to work as a team rather than a puppet and master, which most summoners would already have considering they would have had to form a pact with said champion.
As for Cho'Gath and his supposed power being halved? Let's look at his lore:
"Fortunately, the power of the League's summoning has confined Cho'Gath's presence exclusively to the League of Legends. It is here that summoners use Cho'Gath's Voidborn abilities to help decide the fate of Runeterra."
Cho was trapped by the League, shackled to perform. No where does it state he's at a diminished power or between dimensions or something, only that he's controlled to the point where he won't go ballistic on Runeterra as a whole. His lore as a whole suggests that his power is growing, but not because it's been suppressed. It also suggests that Cho might actually enjoy the League, finding the constant challenge of Runeterra's finest amusing.
But in the end, "Woe betide the day when Cho'Gath grows weary of the League."
Ebonmaw Dragon1 votesFrom my understanding from lore posts, judgements and JoJs, when a champion is summoned into the Fields of Justice, it's a union between summoner and champion. The entire reason for the Judgement process that was imposed was to both assess how a particular champion would react to having another entity in its mind and to see what drives said champion to make sure they aren't admitting weak willed individuals (y'know, having to survive the trauma of dying repeatedly over 30 minutes can take a toll on a lesser individual). Champions had control over their actions and were guided by their summoners, but the summoner could also apply enough control to make the champion do certain things. Not exactly how they wanted it done, but enough that if you said "Cho'Gath, go top", Cho could be forced to stroll on up to top as he sees fit to do. I don't think this would normally be exerted, however, as the summoning pact between champion and summoner would require them to have an agreement to be summoned in the first place. How a summoner gained more pacts was through reputation by gaining success and experience through matches, whether sanctioned events, practice or even bets between summoners! The most successful champions were the ones that bonded with their summoners on a much deeper level, unifying their skills to work as a team rather than a puppet and master, which most summoners would already have considering they would have had to form a pact with said champion.
As for Cho'Gath and his supposed power being halved? Let's look at his lore:
"Fortunately, the power of the League's summoning has confined Cho'Gath's presence exclusively to the League of Legends. It is here that summoners use Cho'Gath's Voidborn abilities to help decide the fate of Runeterra."
Cho was trapped by the League, shackled to perform. No where does it state he's at a diminished power or between dimensions or something, only that he's controlled to the point where he won't go ballistic on Runeterra as a whole. His lore as a whole suggests that his power is growing, but not because it's been suppressed. It also suggests that Cho might actually enjoy the League, finding the constant challenge of Runeterra's finest amusing.
But in the end, "Woe betide the day when Cho'Gath grows weary of the League."
I cant find the source, but riot mentioned years ago that only the half of ChoGath was trapped by the league, the other half was inside the void. The size of Chogath is massive, but the league used a replica of him, just like they did with Nashor.
BraveryBeyond1 votesIt's true. But then if we decide to play that game, the only champions that actually exist (as they're the only ones who've had lore treatment) are: Azir, Braum, Fiora, Gangplank, Gnar, Graves, Hecarim, Heimerdinger, Kalista, Karthus, Lucian (kind of), Miss Fortune, Mordekaiser, Olaf (again, kind of), Sion, Thresh, Twisted Fate, Twitch & Xerath. That's a pretty short list considering how many champions exist in League.
Fowus1 votesYou realize if it's without restrictions Jax will lose
Stars Shaper1 votesAscended beings are Immortal (by age) so are undeads, they can be killed though but still, finding something able to actually kill (expecially if his seal is weakening). Then we have a champion 
that is still able to resuscitate even if killed, dismantling his skeleton can avoid it, yet if not even the old SI inhabitants were able to destroy it and Morde making things sure that no one finds out about it (Not even Bard may know about it) I don't see him being stopped anytime soon.
Both of them have the potential to be the most powerful beings.
Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes[{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=vAujMYWl,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-11-21T17:17:16.916+0000)
dismantling his skeleton can avoid it, yet if not even the old SI inhabitants were able to destroy it
To be fair, they never tried to destroy the skull in first place.
Sharjo1 votesThe excuse couldn't even be made that the skull is invulnerable and can't be damaged or else Morde wouldn't have went to such lengths to keep his bones safe.
Damn ancient sods with their stupidity in not destroying the stuff that will inevitably bring about further doom and gloom in the future.
Ebonmaw Dragon1 votesThe excuse couldn't even be made that the skull is invulnerable and can't be damaged or else Morde wouldn't have went to such lengths to keep his bones safe.
Damn ancient sods with their stupidity in not destroying the stuff that will inevitably bring about further doom and gloom in the future.
Exactly
Sharjo1 votesWhat would be a reasonable reason for not destroying it? A huge magical catastrophe if it's destroyed? It could be used later in some powerful magic necessary to protect the world? Would there be any benefit at all to keeping the skull around? I mean unless they thought that destroying the skull just wouldn't work fully then I dunno.
Stars Shaper1 votesThe reason for Morde to hide it might have just been that he doesn't want ppl to dismantle it so that he can't resurrect again. I guess this is enough a reason instead of "please don't brake it!".
Indeed nothing has been said about his skeleton breakability.
Sharjo1 votesYeah we don't, and assuming Morde's smart he had some magical enchantment put on his bones in such a way that would either make them exceedingly difficult to break or they would kill anyone who tried. I'm imaging now that the fellow who took the skull tried to just shatter the bones there and then, but was cursed by the magic or something, but knowing this was their only chance opted to steal the skull in the hopes disrupting the skeleton would work out.
Stars Shaper1 votesI wish the bones curse was also something in the lines of "The One Ring" where they would manipulate ppl about not destroying them and instead reunite them in case only a piece was there.
Sharjo1 votesThat could work; Morde's influence caused people to not want to destroy the bones, leading the thief to convince the others they can't destroy it for whatever reason.
Stars Shaper1 votesAlso it might have been what led Thresh into the torturing route :3
GreenLore1 votesThe thing is: If all things must die eventually,then that would also imply that kindred dies one day,the question is how that would affect the world(or would another spirit simply take their place?)
Also Kindred seems to be bound to lots of restrictions,so it is questionable how powerful they(kindred consists of the wolf and the lamb,not just one of them) really are.
Longtowel1 votesI think this is explained in one of their quotes... One day, when all living things have died, Wolf will hunt lamb... But I have no idea what happens afterwards.
Fasmodey1 votesKindred can't kill when they want '' everyone '', they just harvest the souls, they can't do '' pff I'm bored Lamb, let's kill Karthus '' thing. They probably has the weakest duel power in the most powerful champions. They're strong, but without doubt they're not the most powerful.
Star Guardían1 votesI still stand by the idea that Bard is the strongest champion. Kindred is s native spirit of Runeterra. Kindred is more of a grim reaper than death itself. As we have seen, Kindred isn't omnipotant since several champs have "defeated" death. I also recall Jaredan or Ant in Oz stating that Kindred too has its "end".
NemeBro1 votesIf Kindred was really a cosmic force of death the Shadow Isles would not exist. Yet they can only helplessly shake their fists in buttanger at the undead dickheads walking around being undead. Furthermore, they apparently can't take someone's life until it is their time. Kindred is arguably one of the weakest champions, because they lack any real freedom of action (which is why the concept of the champion is frankly stupid, how can one fight something that doesn't actually take any action until you die?).
No, Kindred is weaker than the undead forces of the Shadow Isles, and is certainly weaker than Mordekaiser, who is so powerful that he exists apart from the Black Mist. She's probably not really a cosmic force of death. She's as Illaoi calls her, just a spirit.
Xerath is probably the most powerful champion.
Ironclad Dragon1 votes
is death itself.
insaiyanbacca1 votes it was even stated in the Q&A that the bard we see is just a body the being created to interact with the world of runeterra, and the reason that he make shorn noises instead of talking is that his celestial language is so complex we cant understand. this is what i recall from the Q&A so i believe hes the most powerful champion lore wise.
Veraska1 votesI would have to say Bard, since you know he's essentially god
skyfall6191 votesu gotta limit these type of discussions b/c it will always be the gods and the ascended. but other then those i would say 
(would anivia be a demi-god?)
Malphite is a rock, Kayle and Morgana could be immortal creatures of legend, Cho'Gath and the other void creatures could just grow more powerful with time rather than ever declining into the weakness of old age, Aatrox is a darkin that's lived for thousands of years and influenced wars, Sion is undead, the list goes on. Kindred just walked into the one place where all the creatures that defy death come to punch each other in the face and play pretend.
Longtowel1 votesLol. The lore doesn't really say it but why the hell did Death Incarnate show up at the Rift anyways? She can't actually kill anyone there...... Kinda just... Having fun?
