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which ships/ rivalries/ friendships need to be clarified for noxian and Demacian lore update

Xodiathe4bdn1··4 votes·1,599 views

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/0/04/Demacia_Crest.png/revision/latest?cb=20161117052357 and http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/e/e9/Noxus_Crest.png/revision/latest?cb=20161117055949 are two of the most powerful countries in runeterra with a lot of interacting champions. thus when the lore update comes many champions lore and short stories will be edited and written as well as how the link with each other. Here is a list of all links between demacian and noxian champions that to ME need clarification or depth and some that are just a bit of wishful thinking

Currently in lore(that I want to touch on)

1.Garen❤️Katarina: one of the oldest and most popular ships, is that between garen an katarina. What I'm hoping to see in their regions updated lore is whether or not the relationship has been there or are they just fighting the attraction. Either way theirs will be a romance that rocks their nations 2.Talon⚡️Quinn: if you look at both their current lores the link I'm finding in their rivalry is something along the lines of siblings separated by childhood, reunited on opposite sides of rival nations. it would link into both their backgrounds as orphans and would explain talons amnesia of his childhood 3.JarvanIV 🤝Shyvana: a typical life-dept friendship/ bodyguard and charge friendship which to some could lead to more. Now there have been some fans who have speculated a possible love match between the prince and his fiery bodyguard but I'm inclined to think it a highly speculated romance. Both their professionalism and stands to duty will put doubts on it but their closeness and overfamiliarity will cause people to wonder both in lore and players 4.Swain🤝Darius: the reason I added this is that although it makes sense for tough as steel Darius to support the cunning and mysterious swain to lead noxus, I sense a more sinister reason behind the hand of noxus's support which could tie in the hidden agenda of the black rose( that is if it's still called that) 5.Garen⚡️Urgot: if riot were to give us a vgu to reintroduce a noxus , urgot is most likey to be the one. The fatal fight between him and garen, urgots restoration and the eventual revenge fight is an interesting contrast to Lucian ⚡️Thresh 6.Vayne⚡️Leblanc: whether or not Leblanc was the one that killed vaynes parents has yet to be seen but may more give reason for vayne to investigate the plans of the black rose and uncover their plans. Also she has a rivalry with Vladimir so there's another reason to look into the black rose 7.Lux⚡️Fiora : this is a interesting case of feminist vs loyalist Fiora looks down at lux as a woman that allowed herself to subjected to the constraints and expectations on a woman that fiora aovoided. And lux views herself as one that does all she can for the good of her country. Another possible link between the two is that luxs family( and by extension garen as a possible former fiancé ) may have been the one that fiora shamed which resulted in a number of events that made fiora who she is now.

Wishful/ possible Here are some of found in forums and fanfics that I found funny or interesting

Kled⚡️Poppy: as both are the founders of these two nations, I would find a confrontation between these two to be hilarious and would give a representation as of key mindsets of Demacia and noxus, also what needs to change in order for the countries to move forward Lux❤️Talon: there is much evidence of a pairing between lux and ezrael but there are some who would find this pairing more interesting as it would not only give a case of opposites attract but also give another case of star-crossed lovers who are also related to the other star crossed lovers. Lucian⚡️Fiora: read this once on a comment on reddit on how it would be funny confrontation between Demacia two most snarkiest champions and how they would interact. Possible links that have come up between the two are: both served their compulsory military time together, minor vs major families , or (former)bright humble marksmen meets arrogant confident swordswoman. Whatever the reason I've been waiting for a sword to a gun fight taunt since PROJECT

Well that's all he wrote Feel free to add any I may have missed or you'd like to see

18 Comments

Sharjo1 votes

So first off, while Noxus may be the largest empire in modern Runeterra, Demacia is much smaller and insular. Not really equivalent to the title of strongest nation so to speak.

Second, Kled and Poppy didn't found a hit. They've been members of these nations for just about as long as the nations themselves gave existed, but they weren'the integral to their origins; Poppy knew Orlon, the guy (or one of the guys) who founded Demacia, and Kled began fighting for Noxus in its early days.

Xodiathe4bdn11 votes

Second, Kled and Poppy didn't found a hit. They've been members of these nations for just about as long as the nations themselves gave existed, but they weren'the integral to their origins; Poppy knew Orlon, the guy (or one of the guys) who founded Demacia, and Kled began fighting for Noxus in its early days.

Good point I thought founders to skim a bit The page is as big as it is If a had to into direct detail for all it would be too long Also nice to have a guy as well deep in lore as you to comment on this

Ralanr1 votes

I'm not seeing anything about Sion here. How can you ignore Sion when talking about Noxus as a whole?

Sharjo3 votes

Sion'so probably one of the most narratively interesting champions in Noxus considering his ties to Boram, potential rivalry with Galio, his unique existence both in Noxus and in Runeterra as a whole, and theventually way modern Noxian champions interact with him.

Ralanr2 votes

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Sion'so probably one of the most narratively interesting champions in Noxus considering his ties to Boram, potential rivalry with Galio, his unique existence both in Noxus and in Runeterra as a whole, and theventually way modern Noxian champions interact with him.

I actually forgot about his connection with Galio, but this part here interests me.

So we know that in Noxus Sion is pretty much a war hero. But how much of his legend has reached the rest of Runeterra, before and after his death?

Like, what kind of reputation did the man have amongst his enemies? Not just Demacia but other kingdoms that Noxus was fighting at the time.

And then there's his last action in life, killing Jarvan the 1st. How does Demacia regard Sion? Do they see him as this boogeyman that is made more monstrous in every new depiction of Jarvan 1's death? Or is he purposely ignored in the details on Demacia's side so that they can better paint the death of their king without making the citizens actively fear Noxus?

History is written by the winners, but there is no winner between the two sides just yet.

Xodiathe4bdn11 votes

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I'm not seeing anything about Sion here. How can you ignore Sion when talking about Noxus as a whole?

This is what interested me dude Notice when I said 'add in any I didn't say' With that in mind it never occurred to me that galios failure and sorrow might have been not being able to save jarvan the first Nice point sharjo

Ralanr1 votes

Ah. Sorry about that, I skimmed.

Wordofmask1 votes

What about JarvanIV vs Swain . There are many mysterious things left from Kalamanda Incident.

Honestly, I would be really disappointed if they choose Urgot as spearhead of Noxus relaunch while Swain who is the true face of Noxus still be there waiting for his VGU as him.

Xodiathe4bdn11 votes

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What about JarvanIV vs Swain . There are many mysterious things left from Kalamanda Incident.

Honestly, I would be really disappointed if they choose Urgot as spearhead of Noxus relaunch while Swain who is the true face of Noxus still be there waiting for his VGU as him.

Apparently the incident is not canon anymore

Wordofmask1 votes

I don't think so. From a Swain's journal back in Sion relaunch event. He asked for JarvanIV blood LB had said "After the last charade?" then he said "No chicanery this time"

This chicanery reminds me of nothing but Kalamanda Battle when Swain fought the prince (LB in disguise). That means some events of the incident survived the retcon.

Xodiathe4bdn11 votes

This chicanery reminds me of nothing but Kalamanda Battle when Swain fought the prince (LB in disguise). That means some events of the incident survived the retcon.

Considering the noxian event has yet to come I still consider that noncanon If you looked at the piltover champions before their regional update then you'll see how much things can be added on or dropped in a champions lore To see go to the league wiki site. For some champions sure, they stick with the same concept but for others they steer from a completely different direction. Look at the jayce lore update that not only changed his lore but that of viktors

So at this point every event of all regions without an update is noncanon including champion lore

Oh and one more thing you might have noticed if you visit the wiki http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Kalamanda Since the piltover map release kalamanda has gone from mine controlled by Demacia and noxus to a prosperous shurima city So again battle of kalamanda has become noncanon

Wordofmask1 votes

Yeah, I agreed that non-updated lore of every champ still be considered noncanon for now.

Anyway, In this thread, We are talking about our lore expectations and possibilities based on Champ's current lore right?

That is why I refer to JarvanIV and Swain as rivalries based on Kalamanda lore which I see no different from Garen and Urgot you listed above.

Xodiathe4bdn11 votes

That is why I refer to JarvanIV and Swain as rivalries based on Kalamanda lore which I see no different from Garen and Urgot you listed above.

Touché I sound contradictory then don't I Very well then but let me be absolutely clear: the list was ships/ rivalries and friendships that stuck out for me if I had to talk about every possible link between noxian and Demacian champions the list would be endless. Siblings Associates Colleagues Ancient friends Guys they met at the one battle or another Etc Anyone is free to name any i didn't add cause I missed it or it didn't stick out for me. Like the galio and sion link sharjo pointed out

Gehco1 votes

I don't know why people link J4 and Shyvana, there is nothing "fascinating" about that relationship besides a bodyguard and her superior officer. So what if J4 saved Shyvana and helped her killing a dragon? So what? What's the big deal? Does that automatically mean they are in love? So If I help a woman in real life or save her life, does that mean I am in love with her? Or did I do it because it was the right thing to do at that time? How can people assume J4 helped Shyvana because he was in "love" with her? This is BOGUS. That said, there is nothing in the lore that even hints or speaks about Shyvana X J4. Show me the proof where it says they are in a relationship. They don't even have ingame interactions let alone emotes to hint a relationship. Quinn has more emotes hinting a relationship with J4 than Shyvana does IMO. Because she actually has ingame emotes.

I agree with the person who said J4 and Swain would be a better theme to explore. Leaders of both rival city-states would be a way better topic to read than a phony baseless fan-created ship.

Xodiathe4bdn11 votes

I agree with the person who said J4 and Swain would be a better theme to explore. Leaders of both rival city-states would be a way better topic to read than a phony baseless fan-created ship.

J4 is still crown prince and not yet king but is a highest ranking general which military wise would put him in the same standing as Darius. He has great power but not full authority

Oleandervine1 votes

You forgot the friendship between Galio and Poppy that seems to have been thrown into the wind with Poppy's rework and the deviation from her original origin story that Galio took inspiration from.

Xodiathe4bdn11 votes

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You forgot the friendship between Galio and Poppy that seems to have been thrown into the wind with Poppy's rework and the deviation from her original origin story that Galio took inspiration from.

That is true guess until all the updates are complete nobodies guess on champion links is founded

TenshouSNK1 votes

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That is true guess until all the updates are complete nobodies guess on champion links is founded

I'd rather see a relationship of love between talon and quinn, I don't believe in the theory that they are siblings. Talon's lore clearly states he was brought up in brutality on the streets.

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