Hi I'm just wondering. I'm thinking Piltover especially would be accepting, and Noxus and Demacia too. But I really can't think of anywhere where being trans wasn't acceptable. What do you think.
DalekZec19 votesWhere the hell did this even come from?!?
Fine then. Noxus- "I don't care I just wanna capture lands and expand the empire." Demacia- "I don't care, we have Sylas on the loose and we need to re-capture/kill him." Void- "I don't care, I just wanna turn off the damn light and go back to sleep." Shadow Isles- "I don't care, I just wanna shadow people alive." Bandle City- "I don't care, I got Yordle things to do." Bilgewater- "I don't care, I'm too busy with Pyke hunting my ass." Freljord- "I don't care, I got a family to feed." Ionia- "I don't care, I got a country to rebuild." Ixtal- "I don't even know where I came from. But I don't care." Piltover- "I don't care, I got technology to advance." Zaun- "I don't care, I got Mundo to hunt down before he does another doctor shit." Shurima- "I don't care, I got sand in my shoes and it's annoying af." Targon- "I don't care, I got some star shit to do."
This social justice non-sense is so stupid. [slayer-jinx-unamused]
Rextreff2 votesWhere the hell did this even come from?!?
Fine then.
This social justice non-sense is so stupid. [slayer-jinx-unamused]
I'm just asking a question here lol. Why are you being so negative about it.
Jeddy0174 votesBuddy, these boards are the wrong place to bring up LGBT+/Racial discussion. Even if the thread itself is harmless & simple, people downvote them into oblivion because talking about LGBT+/Racial is SJW, which is seen as "bad".
I've seen it time & time again.
DalekZec3 votesI'm just asking a question here lol. Why are you being so negative about it.
Your post literally looks like social justice stuff about the gays and trans even if not intended. If that's not negative, then I don't know what is.
The Highest Noon9 votesI don't think that any of them care. Noxus only cares about strength and Demacia only cares about magic. The Vastaya just do whatever. The Freljord value the community in general, while almost everywhere else are hella neutral over everything. The only faction I see caring even a bit is Bilgewater, and that's just because of the brothels.
only luciano2 votesDemacia hates magic.
Rextreff2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qMwYJEfy,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-18T19:25:51.046+0000)
I don't think that any of them care. Noxus only cares about strength and Demacia only cares about magic. The Vastaya just do whatever. The Freljord value the community in general, while almost everywhere else are hella neutral over everything. The only faction I see caring even a bit is Bilgewater, and that's just because of the brothels.
Ok That's good. I think just not caring about trans people in particular and just treating them like their gender is really cool. Though I think that more places than just Bilgewater has brothels.
The Highest Noon5 votesI don't even think it's that, they just don't care. I could get into a whole psychology and history lesson around the trans community, but long story short there's no reason for transgenderism to exist in Runeterra, so for even the minuscule cases that do the people would mostly just be "whatever, you do you". For most territories it just wouldn't matter save for the sex, and since the whole sex work industry would be strongest in Bilgewater, they're the only ones where it may or may not be a problem.
Rextreff2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qMwYJEfy,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-11-18T20:04:10.082+0000)
I don't even think it's that, they just don't care. I could get into a whole psychology and history lesson around the trans community, but long story short there's no reason for transgenderism to exist in Runeterra, so for even the minuscule cases that do the people would mostly just be "whatever, you do you". For most territories it just wouldn't matter save for the sex, and since the whole sex work industry would be strongest in Bilgewater, they're the only ones where it may or may not be a problem.
Huh? I'm really interested to see how transgenderism wouldn't exist in Runeterra what's the explanation
The Highest Noon1 votesYou'd have to compare the two--reality and Runeterra--before getting to the "why". There's no "racism" between humans in Runeterra, just nationalism (due to the constant warfare and clashing ideologies) and "racism" between species (Such as against Yordles, Vastayans and dragons). Sexism is fairly uncommon considering that many powerful individuals within Runeterra are female (Rift Harold, Rek'Sai (Two void superpowers), Ashe, Sejuani, Lisandra (All three of them are queens of the most dangerous locale on Runeterra), Senna (embodies a collective power through her weapon), Illaoi (cult leader), Miss Fortune (scourge of Bilgewater), Fiora (killed her father, arguably the most powerful swordsman in Demacia), Shyvana (The king's right-hand), Lux (super strong mage for no reason whatsoever), Tristana (Yordle hero), Nami (tide queen), Leblanc (leader of the Noxus Illuminati), etc; and these are just the playable ones). Finally, homophobia is all but nonexistent (I haven't combed through every piece of lore so it's possible that it exists somewhere).
Now, given that discrimination barely exists outside of the national level, that removes almost all of the psychological triggers for transgenderism on a societal level to exist. That isn't to say that it doesn't exist, because we know for a fact that it does (Speaking of Leblanc, she's known to play any role necessary. I find it wholly possible for Riot to just come out of nowhere and say that she was originally a he but throughout the centuries lost sight of his original identity. That would be incredibly interesting, and I'd love to see a Legendary skin that's a male version of Leblanc or an Ultimate skin that begins as male Leblanc but as time goes on in-game (or as abilities are leveled up) he transforms into a she, so we basically get to see Leblanc's transformation in real-time. Doesn't even have to be a full Ultimate price, maybe GGMF price (since this is just an extended idea of Pulsefire Ezreal). Hell "Leblanc" isn't even her real name so the champion name changing along the game would also be a neat idea.
Anyway, considering what we know about Runeterra vs what we know about Earth's societal histories, the existence of societal transgenderism would be incredibly improbable. There's just no reasons behind it currently.
Yordle Gunner9 votesWith Respect. Do you want the truth? It's impossible for them to say anything bad about them because it's such a hot issue in our real world. Which is completely unrealistic to Runeterra.
That is why it's not a good idea to add in sensitive politics into a fantasy universe. For a story narrative to be realistic there has to be counter sides, counter arguments but for THIS. That is impossible for Riot to add. So I'm not touching that with a 10 foot pole. And Riot shouldn't have ether.
Rextreff1 votes[{quoted}](name=Yordle Gunner,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qMwYJEfy,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-11-18T21:41:33.347+0000)
With Respect. Do you want the truth? It's impossible for them to say anything bad about them because it's such a hot issue in our real world. Which is completely unrealistic to Runeterra.
That is why it's not a good idea to add in sensitive politics into a fantasy universe. For a story narrative to be realistic there has to be counter sides, counter arguments but for THIS. That is impossible for Riot to add. So I'm not touching that with a 10 foot pole. And Riot shouldn't have ether.
No. Riot can do what they want. I never was talking about anything 'sensitive politics'. It's their game, Riot can do whatever they want.
Yordle Gunner1 votesNo. Riot can do what they want. I never was talking about anything 'sensitive politics'. It's their game, Riot can do whatever they want.
For anyone reading this, this is related to Leagues Universe it's lore and Story. Ionians hate Noxians, Demacians hate Mages, However Purely Storywise it is not possible without huge repercussions for Riot to introduce Champions or a Region that hates certain groups. It's just too sensitive and remember what I said earlier it makes for really awkward story telling when you aren't allowed to tell two sides of an argument.
I have to word everything I say here so so very carefully because whenever anyone talks about this their account is on the line it's that hot of a subject.
HonestJohnTheCon2 votes[{quoted}](name=Yordle Gunner,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qMwYJEfy,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2019-11-19T00:16:19.023+0000)
For anyone reading this, this is related to Leagues Universe it's lore and Story. Ionians hate Noxians, Demacians hate Mages, However Purely Storywise it is not possible without huge repercussions for Riot to introduce Champions or a Region that hates certain groups. It's just too sensitive and remember what I said earlier it makes for really awkward story telling when you aren't allowed to tell two sides of an argument.
I have to word everything I say here so so very carefully because whenever anyone talks about this their account is on the line it's that hot of a subject.
Especially because usually when there’s a faction that hates something they have a champion to represent it, and that would turn off a lot of people who are in a real-life group would turn away from that champion if said champion dislikes that group. Which is why we can really only use parallels (e.g. Demacia with mages).
Eternal Torment7 votesThe world of Runeterra doesn't even know that concept in itself.
ANY discussions about the topic of trans is just IRL topic being attempted to be inserted into the fictional world knowing fully well that pushing political agendas is largely blacklisted (IF not necessarily prohibited) because of how much conflict and backlash it can create.
Please don't try it. You're just begging for low effort hate comments that will ultimatedly cause the mods to lock/delete the post over uncivilized derailing.
Terozu6 votesI like to think Trans people don't exist in Runeterra. Everyone is born into their preferred genders by default. Gender dysphoria doesn't exist and no one has to suffer it.
GenoXx5 votesParticularly, It's really irrelevant to the lore.
Ebonmaw Dragon4 votesI think that Zaun and Piltover are all about Transhumanism and should support people with that ideology such as Viktor, Camille and Oriana.
Sure thing, not everyone in Piltover acept them, Jayce is clearly against that. But most of people in those places use technological things to enchance their bodies. Metal is perfection after all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism
Wait... you are not talking about that?... oh... okay...
Rextreff1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qMwYJEfy,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-18T19:34:16.621+0000)
I think that Zaun and Piltover are all about Transhumanism and should support people with that ideology such as Viktor, Camille and Oriana.
Sure thing, not everyone in Piltover acept them, Jayce is clearly against that. But most of people in those places use technological things to enchance their bodies. Metal is perfection after all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism
Wait... you are not talking about that?... oh... okay...
Sorry lol. I'm talking about transgenderism
Camille Ferrøs3 votesGiven that they don't have the religions we have here, I don't think someone has a problem with it.
KestrelGirl3 votesI'd expect Runeterra in general to be more open to anything LGBT, because there hasn't been a thousands-of-years-old religion shaping minute details of daily life throughout the world. There are some old-ass religions, older than most real-life religions in fact, but we haven't seen them dictate identity, or sexual or romantic preference. I think it's unlikely that they would. (Abrahamic religion is fucking weird, yo.)
Rextreff2 votesI'd expect Runeterra in general to be more open to anything LGBT, because there hasn't been a thousands-of-years-old religion shaping minute details of daily life throughout the world. There are some old-ass religions, older than most real-life religions in fact, but we haven't seen them dictate identity, or sexual or romantic preference. I think it's unlikely that they would. (Abrahamic religion is fucking weird, yo.)
Yea I agree. Historically, countries in the east have always been more accepting for LGBT rights, and also old Germanic and Slavic religions as well. So far I haven't seen anything in League that would make me think anyone in Runeterra is against trans rights.
The Highest Noon3 votesI don't really understand why this post is getting downvotes. The voting system isn't supposed to be a "I don't like this" popularity contest, but whether or not it's a proper conversation to have. And I think that this is a pretty great conversation to have involving social politics of a fantasy world vs the real world.
UomoAfide2 votesTbh, even though it's a very tricky subject, i feel there are very few instances in Runeterra where trans people might be actively discouraged or oppressed. Demacia's nobility might be one i guess? They seem to conform strictly to gendered roles outside of military service so i guess that might be one? Noxus... doesn't feel like it would care, as long as you prove useful to the empire. Shurima could theoretically not mind, Taliyah was supposed to represent a trans character back during her development so this might still be part of the canonical behavior of Shuriman tribes, even if she's considered cis right now. Ionia would also be pretty welcoming i think? I suppose the spiritual feeling of an individual might be considered more important than the genitals they were born with? Zaun is pretty much a victorian/punk fantasy so it shouldn't be a problem in there as well. I feel like Piltover wouldn't change much in that regard. Freljord maybe? Considering how strong it's the idea of a Warmother, as in, a woman leader capable of leading her tribe, they might have some issues with gender theory? That's entirely speculative though. For all we know they might not care at all. Bilgewater is literally a pirate city-state so i don't really think something like that would matter in the grand scheme of things. Targon? Depends... Mortal Targon might have something against trans people? You know, religious zealots and all... Spiritual Targon probably doesn't even have a concept of gender, supposing the Aspects are completely alien to human physicality.
CominTowardsYa1 votesWe already have it.
