Unnoficial Bilgewater Lore Discussion? :)

free my family·Jul 23, 2015·28 votes·12,626 views

I came into this part of the boards in hopes of seeing people actually being nice and respectful, but the only thing I see is complaints about Fiora, and absolutely nothing about the new lore that they have, except for one post. Can we, hopefully, make this an unofficial Bilgewater Lore response discussion? I would love to hear what everyone else thinks! Personally, I can't wait for Act Two, which I believe is tomorrow. I wonder how Aatrox, Quinn, Garen and all their skins will incorporate into this whole little feature Riot has brought to us.

And for the record, I have nothing wrong with people complaining about Fiora and her changes and whatnot. I get it, you guys don't like it. Nothing wrong with that. I was just noting how I saw next to nothing about something with so much potential right now that Riot has given us.

ANYWAYS: This is for discussing Bilgewater stuff!!! Have fun, feel free to discuss whatever, of course. Hopefully more and more people will comment and we can get this little discussion rollin'

88 Comments

SharjoJul 23, 20158 votes

There's been discussion, it's just a couple of days old now and people's jimmies are still rustled by, in their eyes, Riot's incompetence with the Fiora VU. Tomorrow the second act will be released and we'll have even more to discuss, so feel free to drop by tomorrow since there's likely gonna be some big talk ongoing. I know I'll be here!

A Superb VillainJul 23, 20152 votes

I'll be sipping tea in my bunker until then. Hopefully the fallout will not irradiate the boards thoroughly.

SharjoJul 23, 20153 votes

Don't be a fool like me and try and wade in to that shit. I'm growing an extra arm after that experience. Ugh.

free my familyJul 23, 20152 votes

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There's been discussion, it's just a couple of days old now and people's jimmies are still rustled by, in their eyes, Riot's incompetence with the Fiora VU. Tomorrow the second act will be released and we'll have even more to discuss, so feel free to drop by tomorrow since there's likely gonna be some big talk ongoing. I know I'll be here!

I figured as much, I was just hoping that this could be something that we could get up to the top of the Story & Art Boards, then the posts that people actually want to read about the Bilgewater stuff wont get lost in the sea of Fiora VU Rework hategasms.

Ironclad DragonJul 23, 20157 votes

I am interested in the nature of the knife that TF was hired to steal. It being in Gangplank's warehouse doesn't surprise me, since it could've been plundered from anywhere, but why the knife is special intrigues me.

free my familyJul 23, 20151 votes

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I am interested in the nature of the knife that TF was hired to steal. It being in Gangplank's warehouse doesn't surprise me, since it could've been plundered from anywhere, but why the knife is special intrigues me.

The "explore the world" section of Act One says that the knife has unkown origins, as well as usage. It's in the bottom right hand corner, if you care to check it out.

Ironclad DragonJul 23, 20152 votes

I read that. It made me all the more curious.

KrizalidJul 24, 20151 votes

Darkin knife?

NickorizeHDJul 24, 201513 votes

Maybe it's an extremely good citrus peeling knife.

free my familyJul 23, 20155 votes

I must say, after reading Act Two, Graves certainly lives up to his passive cx. I hope that this means that TF and Graves will become allies, maybe TF can get through to Graves. Also, something cool is that GP is doing exactly what his splash has him doing, slicing orange skin. Another little side question, does this mean we could get a somewhat new lore for them? Keeping the base story, of course, but I believe in TF's lore he sold out Graves so he could get experimented on by what I can only presume is Xerath, by the name.

RiotRiot ShadowStormJul 24, 201513 votes

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Another little side question, does this mean we could get a somewhat new lore for them? Keeping the base story, of course, but I believe in TF's lore he sold out Graves so he could get experimented on by what I can only presume is Xerath, by the name.

Have you checked out the champion pages for Graves and Twisted Fate recently? =)

free my familyJul 24, 20157 votes

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Have you checked out the champion pages for Graves and Twisted Fate recently? =)

Remlap1223Jul 24, 20157 votes

Is this?

*sniffs

No, it can't be...

*licks computer screen

IS THIS ACTUAL LEAGUE OF LEGENDS LORE?

HAIL WHYDRAJul 24, 20155 votes

ACTUAL FACTUAL FULL LEAGUE OF LEGENDS LORE. OH MAH GAWD I KNEW I SACRIFICED ENOUGH GOATS TO SATAN TODAY.

Risen ShadeJul 23, 20154 votes

I expected many names for Twisted Fate. Tobias was not one of them.

free my familyJul 23, 20155 votes

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I expected many names for Twisted Fate. Tobias was not one of them.

ikr

NickorizeHDJul 24, 20153 votes

The moment I read Graves say that, I blurted out "TOBIAS?!" and now my whole family thinks I'm crazy... Foolishness aside, now I actually think it's fitting in a weird way :P just seems river-folksy

free my familyJul 24, 20153 votes

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The moment I read Graves say that, I blurted out "TOBIAS?!" and now my whole family thinks I'm crazy... Foolishness aside, now I actually think it's fitting in a weird way :P just seems river-folksy

hmm true enough. it does sound very rivery

RiotKindlejackJul 24, 20156 votes

Now think about this; people probably would have called him 'Toby'. Little Toby Fate!

SpecterVonBarenJul 24, 20153 votes

I actually thought of what TF's real name could be and Tobias was actually one of them, though this might just be because I love that name since it was the name of my favorite Animorph character. sigh And probably no one knows what I'm talking about...

RiotKindlejackJul 24, 20157 votes

You're talking about Yeerks with Dracon beams disguised as flashlights.

SpecterVonBarenJul 24, 20153 votes

And Hork Bajir and happy meals with extra happy.

RiotRiot ShadowStormJul 24, 20159 votes

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I actually thought of what TF's real name could be and Tobias was actually one of them, though this might just be because I love that name since it was the name of my favorite Animorph character. sigh And probably no one knows what I'm talking about...

HAIL WHYDRAJul 24, 20153 votes

Its okay. I shipped Rachel and Tobias hard when I read animorphs :D

SpecterVonBarenJul 24, 20152 votes

RachelxTobias OTP.

Earl EulrichJul 23, 20154 votes

Well, somehow i would expect Graves to be a lot more Cunning than they make him seem to be so far...he just comes around as some kind of ogre. I really donßt like that part of the stroy...i mean, yea - he obviously is filled with hatred and wants some sort of revenge, but come on.

free my familyJul 23, 20153 votes

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Well, somehow i would expect Graves to be a lot more Cunning than they make him seem to be so far...he just comes around as some kind of ogre. I really donßt like that part of the stroy...i mean, yea - he obviously is filled with hatred and wants some sort of revenge, but come on.

I think that we see some part of, from TF's perspective, to be the old Graves. He said that the hatred does consume Graves.

A Superb VillainJul 24, 20153 votes

He did make it down to the dock before TF did, and he did it without being covered in fish guts or jumping into the harbor.

Earl EulrichJul 24, 20152 votes

i give you that..though he ended up surrounded and without ammunition *cough*, his champion bio also only implies that he has to be actually as clever as T.F., but it still puts the focus sort of soly on his brutishness.

A Superb VillainJul 24, 20152 votes

I can admit he failed to display much cunning beyond the stunt on the bridge, but considering this is the closest he's been to actually catching Twisted Fate, I can forgive him for seeing red and nothing else.

WheatloafJul 24, 20153 votes

Excuse me? He snuck into the same warehouse as TF without being seen, and without teleportation.

A Superb VillainJul 24, 20152 votes

It was implied TF's job was a set up. If such is the case, then Graves may have had a way in without the need of subterfuge.

All of that is irrelevant, as I am defending Graves' intelligence; cunning is something that becomes much more apparent in hindsight.

WheatloafJul 24, 20152 votes

I doubt Graves was handed a way in, though it's almost definite that he was notified where TF was going to be. And as far as I can tell, Miss Fortune is playing TF and Graves, so that she can play Gangplank, which means she's a hell of a lot more than a pretty face with 2 sets of big guns (I couldn't resist...).

RiotBioluminescenceJul 24, 20155 votes

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I doubt Graves was handed a way in, though it's almost definite that he was notified where TF was going to be. And as far as I can tell, Miss Fortune is playing TF and Graves, so that she can play Gangplank, which means she's a hell of a lot more than a pretty face with 2 sets of big guns (I couldn't resist...).

From Act I:

"I look down at the devilfish bites on my clothes. I had to swim to get past the guards. Ever since he got a little money, T.F.’s been a stickler for appearance. I can’t wait to mess him up. But first, I want answers."

Looks like he took a route that TF wouldn't have considered, as it would be too rough on his nice outfit :) Also, not sure I'd want to swim with the devilfish.

RiotKindlejackJul 24, 20155 votes

I think part of this is a lot of the story is from the point of TF and he discounts Grave's intelligence, thinking himself superior. Personally I don't think this to be the case but there's no denying that any time he's close to TF he does get a little blinded by rage.

Earl EulrichJul 24, 20153 votes

that´s sort of what´s troubeling me here. I mean, there´s no denying that Tobias is sort of arrogant/narcisstic - but he wouldn´t have worked alongside Graves for a decade if he wouldn´t think he´s on par. Toying with an easily manipulated marionette would surly have bored him fast...dunno, i somewhat always had the view that graves is more of a stoic that acts brutish to fool his opponents about his wits.

RiotKindlejackJul 25, 20154 votes

I do think that's accurate. But obviously Graves let TF get close to him, so the betrayal hurt him so bad (that and 10 years to think about it) that he's letting his anger get the better of him even though he is normally calm and under control.

LordHippomanJul 24, 20154 votes

So, I left the Boards a while back because I was tired of what felt like endless bickering.

This is turning things around. It's great to see the champions in action, interacting, and forming interesting relationships. Good stuff so far, reminds me of some of the best JoJ articles.

AutoreactiveCD4Jul 24, 20154 votes

I'm loving the lore mostly but there are some things that are throwing me off. The TF Graves backstory. I'm being somewhat purist here and realize that Riot wanted to go a different direction but personal opinion time. I don't like how TF didn't truly betray graves, and made an intelligent decision and Graves was just too stubborn listen. To me it's less interesting because it makes these characters less complex. TF isn't totally selfish and didn't want to leave Graves but he had to look out for himself here. This makes Graves unsympathetic to me because he is now dedicating his life to killing someone who tried to keep him from making a huge mistake. Graves is like the guy on your team that goes, "we could have totally 2v5 if you hadn't left noob." Overall I don't like this as much as the original lore's because it's a lot harder to debate who you would side with in their conflict.

Gangplank and MF are great. GP is a true monster, but has a reason for being one. His interaction with the kid you can see why he is a leader. He is rational and does value those who do right by him. His crew most likely feel that they can follow him because he won't turn his cruelty on them for no reason. MF is beautiful and the life of the party, but intelligent and very skilled based on how she interacts with the guy that followed her. Of course it seems she may have a devious and even ruthless side because she sent a child to trick GP into a trap. Lord help that kid if GP finds out, but maybe she did it cause she knows GP would never intentionally harm a child...still things we don't know.

Ebonmaw DragonJul 23, 20153 votes

I must ask... Bubbs is supposed to be a Yordle?

And the most important part of the new Bilgewater Update: Clams can smell colors.

SharjoJul 23, 20154 votes

I think Bubbs is just a short man, but I honestly don't know if he's a Yordle.

Also I think he's bollocking us about the clams and Barnacle Sharks.

RiotRiot ShadowStormJul 24, 20152 votes

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Also I think he's bollocking us about the clams and Barnacle Sharks.

He would never! Bubbs is the greatest scientific mind of his generation, and I'm proud to have contributed to his expedition!

NickorizeHDJul 23, 20152 votes

Can't wait until this thread fills up with all sorts of bilgewatery theories and discussion! Glad to see it getting more love on the boards (was getting tired of the flood of threads on Fiora's update -.-). Will definitely upvote and lurk around

free my familyJul 23, 20152 votes

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Can't wait until this thread fills up with all sorts of bilgewatery theories and discussion! Glad to see it getting more love on the boards (was getting tired of the flood of threads on Fiora's update -.-). Will definitely upvote and lurk around

Thanks man! That's exactly what I was aiming for, as I said in the little ranty blurb. I am certainly looking forward to hearing everyone else's theories

AlleteJul 24, 20152 votes

Im loving the lore overload from getting both act 2 today and the added stories onto the character pages. I just kind of wish MF had something added in too besides part 3 of act 2 but I guess thats just cause she's my favorite champion.

Amazing writing from the lore team though and I dont think I can wait another week for act 3

Earl EulrichJul 24, 20153 votes

given they had about 3 years to produce sth. new one can hardly call it overload...

RiotRiot ShadowStormJul 24, 20155 votes

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I just kind of wish MF had something added in too besides part 3 of act 2 but I guess thats just cause she's my favorite champion.

She's my favorite too, and it certainly seems like she's up to something. MissFortune

RoboDracoJul 24, 20152 votes

I'm honestly hoping for Graves and T.F. to become best buddies again at the end of this...or at least have Graves understand what actually happened with the heist and supposed betrayal.

free my familyJul 24, 20151 votes

I kinda hope that TF and Graves become friends at the end

KrizalidJul 24, 20152 votes

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bld_OPWFBh8/VNjqDPb8KdI/AAAAAAABnpQ/TyJhZS5r4PM/s1600/Hot_Fuzz_84.jpg Still feel like you're missing out? _Shooting the hell out of GP's men. _

Alright, this analogy was too much even for me XD