SG Zoe Should Have Been the Legendary

Lil Toe Beans·Sep 2, 2019·6 votes·7,346 views

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/HEYgX3vSv9rY3qHuuUdHSnLKAJY=/0x0:1600x945/1200x0/filters:focal(0x0:1600x945):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/19123042/Zoe_Splash_3.jpg

With all the lore surrounding the new skins, it seems like Zoe is either the main villain or one of the main villains in the established Star Guardian universe. The idea of her skin is amazing and visually it's appealing and creative. She fits perfectly for this role. If she's had past fights with other guardians, caused corruption, and generally desires to corrupt or kill all of them, dialogue expressing that from her side would have been pretty neat. Zoe, more than likely, has a lot of stuff to say.

Xayah and Rakan don't get a lot of extra added depth from making them legendaries. Xayah is just Xayah with a few extra lore lines thrown in and Rakan gains absolutely nothing subsistence wise out of his voice lines aside from being the equivalent of a flamboyant disney villain.

All other villains from established universes have gotten legendaries (Thresh, Kayn, Zed, Veigar), just feels bad that the one antagonist we have for one of Riot's most popular skin lines got cheated out of what could have been something extremely interesting.

18 Comments

4 Step CadenceSep 2, 20195 votes

She was also a member of the first ever team of Star Guardians, so she has that going for her too.

LapisSep 2, 20193 votes

I honestly would be disappointed if she had dialogue expressing that stuff. I think the point of this is we're not supposed to know Zoe's side. She's Chaos, she's unknowable.

FSRERSep 2, 20191 votes

It could have possibly been legendary if Riot was not planning on a legendary skin for Zilean (which might be relevant to this or dark star)

4 Step CadenceSep 2, 20195 votes

How?

We already have the Star Guardian skins and the Dark Star skins for this year. If he was involved in either of those releases, he would have been released with them.

And where are you getting this whole "Riot is planning on a Legendary skin for Zilean" thing from? They just said he was getting a skin this year, not that it would be legendary.

Craft ZeppelinSep 3, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=mlIavF71,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-09-02T13:14:45.615+0000)

How?

We already have the Star Guardian skins and the Dark Star skins for this year. If he was involved in either of those releases, he would have been released with them.

And where are you getting this whole "Riot is planning on a Legendary skin for Zilean" thing from? They just said he was getting a skin this year, not that it would be legendary.

Its definitely not legendary. Its obvious as hell. A champion that barely moves and speaks lines and has literally no lore will be pumped resources? Hell no

4 Step CadenceSep 3, 20191 votes

That's... Kind of the point of legendary skins? To take a champion to the next level? Doesn't matter what he does or doesn't have, he'd get it all and more with a legendary skin, and Riot is probably more than willing to take the risk if they think it will be successful.

But I don't think there are any "events" left this year that would warrant a legendary for him anyway, if he is even involved in those releases and won't just get a random release(like how Dragon Oracle Udyr, and the Elderwood and Infernal skins just appeared out of nowhere).

Craft ZeppelinSep 3, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=mlIavF71,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-03T08:26:52.881+0000)

That's... Kind of the point of legendary skins? To take a champion to the next level? Doesn't matter what he does or doesn't have, he'd get it all and more with a legendary skin, and Riot is probably more than willing to take the risk if they think it will be successful.

But I don't think there are any "events" left this year that would warrant a legendary for him anyway, if he is even involved in those releases and won't just get a random release(like how Dragon Oracle Udyr, and the Elderwood and Infernal skins just appeared out of nowhere).

I doubt that is the case if the champion doesn't move more than Sona and is literally a floating inanimate object. Some stuff needs VGU's first.

4 Step CadenceSep 3, 20191 votes

You understand that in the case of a champion like Zilean, Riot would likely completely re-do all of his stuff for the legendary, right? He wouldn't look, move, or talk the way he does in his base and such, because legendary skins are meant to completely re-imagine the champion as a part of a different universe.

GreenLoreSep 4, 20192 votes

Its not impossible that he gets a legendary skin, but to be honest, Zilean is a champ who will obviously receive a big VGU eventually and if they make a legendary skin for him now, then they'll need to update that too. Heck worst case scenario would be that they add some cool gimmick to his legendary, that won't work anymore once he gets said VGU.

Granted Zilean is currently not on the priority list for VGUs, but he is a champ where its obvious that it won't take that long for him to be added to that list.

Crimson ZeppelinSep 5, 20191 votes

{quoted}

Its not impossible that he gets a legendary skin, but to be honest, Zilean is a champ who will obviously receive a big VGU eventually and if they make a legendary skin for him now, then they'll need to update that too. Heck worst case scenario would be that they add some cool gimmick to his legendary, that won't work anymore once he gets said VGU.

Granted Zilean is currently not on the priority list for VGUs, but he is a champ where its obvious that it won't take that long for him to be added to that list.

I really don't get why he wasn't chosen to receive a VGU. He is chosen competitive time to time for a key role in teams. But he is also chosen as a "hard-counter" which functionally Riot hates now. It's confusing.

GreenLoreSep 5, 20191 votes

Yeah its really surprising that he isn't among the Tier1-candidates. I mean seriously, his design is outdated, his animations and character are almost non-existent, his kit is rather niche and honestly feels really clunky and even out of-place in a lot of ways(I mean come on, he is this ancient time mage and who just throws bombs at everyone around him).

Man I really hope that Riot goes back to focusing more on VGUs next year again, they just have too many champs that need one.

Crimson ZeppelinSep 5, 20191 votes

{quoted}

Yeah its really surprising that he isn't among the Tier1-candidates. I mean seriously, his design is outdated, his animations and character are almost non-existent, his kit is rather niche and honestly feels really clunky and even out of-place in a lot of ways(I mean come on, he is this ancient time mage and who just throws bombs at everyone around him).

Man I really hope that Riot goes back to focusing more on VGUs next year again, they just have too many champs that need one.

I remember when Ekko was released and he had literally no lore interaction with Zilean. ...He was also concept-wise a better time mage.

How many champions in 2019 does not have any dialogue, animations when it uses a ult?

SukishooSep 2, 20191 votes

We don't know what they are planning for his. Be it legendary or not, that doesn't affect what happens to skins in an unrelated theme as his is 100% going to be something else.

Craft ZeppelinSep 3, 20191 votes

Erm. No not at all in this case of Zilean. Are you saying a point and click MS buff/debuff that has zero animation or hardly any effects will be put resources in? A "clock" thrown with zero context of what it even is (what is even this ability?) and just suddenly explodes will get some sort of logical explanation? Why does a clock and a clock colliding with each other makes them explode and stun enemies?

Zilean is one of the champions with nearly zero lore. And has zero action on his model. Like...why do you think Riot would put resources, that just way too much of a project that they just might as well rework him and his model entirely if they wanted to do that.

TerozuSep 3, 20191 votes

Her normal voice lines fit though, she's obsessed with being sisters and is spoiled and childish.

Guy BromanSep 3, 20191 votes

But I wouldn't get to hear Rakan call the Star Guardians "Star Nerds". And that, to me, is unacceptable

Devilish LoliSep 4, 20191 votes

You also have to think about the money riot is going to be making. Xayah aand rakan are pretty popular champions and the sg skin line is one of their best so they figured if they give out 2 legendary skins (each with 3 chromas, 2 icons and borders) they will be making a lot more money than on the past sg skins on release.