@Riot - Can you guys create a Story mode?

DeathTheHorseman··103 votes·5,489 views

#Dear Rioters,

I know most of you are quite busy and don't have time to read lengthy treads so skip the "Story card example" if you want but please at least read the core and if possible answer my two questions.

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#Core:

As someone very passionate about lore and reading/watching a good story I have wished for a **"Story mode" **on LoL for quite some time. Even if doesn't change the platform of the game ( new game in RPG 3rd person setting ) or it's not an individual movie for each champion.

I think that just having some campaigns interwoven with cinematics/comics and dialogue would be nice and really bring people closer to Runeterra. (The way Warcraft 3 campaigns were)

My favorite idea is this:

When you own a champion you get his "Story Card" which would involve 1-3 campaigns and some cinematics/comics to tell you key points of their lore and also teach you how to play them.

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Talon #Example story card:

Part 1 -_ Theft and solitude_ : ** Cinematic ** Talon making a living as a thief, trusting no one and training himself into an assassin and becoming quite good at it. It ends with Noxus guilds sending him the message to join them or die. (Could even be something simple like a slide show/comic with voice over)

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Part 2 - The answer to a proposition : Map of the sewers of Noxus. You are playing as Talon and the objective is to outplay the Noxus guild assassins and escape pursuit while leaving bodies in your trail.
(The map would be highly binary coded and involve you learning his mechanics - Q AA reset, kiting with W, warding over a wall to E something and going for burst trades and making it out and other such stuff in order to survive to the other end of the map.)

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Part 3 - The troubles of fame : ** Short comic** Talons fame spreading as the best and only independent assassin in Noxus after the bodies of everyone sent after him are found. The comic leads up to Talon getting hunted down on the streets of Noxus by some unknown new assassin of great skill and cornered in a warehouse.

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Part 4 - A test of shadows and steel : **Map of a warehouse. ** Fight Katarina's dad ( General Du Couteau ) Boss fight - You start at level 3 and need to evade the boss skillshots while duking it out to level up over time (passively gain experience from doing damage) and trying to stay alive until you get your level 6. Once you are level 6 (lets say 5 min game of cat and mouse with the boss) he taunts you: "Show me a true expression of skill. I heard you are the best assassin in my city but I can't see proof of it." Then you need to perform the perfect burst combo: A Talon Voiceover (of his thoughts) narrates at how it should be done.

So you do the maximum amount of damage in the smallest window possible and avoid the boss hard CC. (Much like you would in a teamfight assassination.) Fail this and he will kill you.

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Part 5 - Life exchanged for allegiance, obedience only to strength : **Cinematic. ** The general defeats you in the end even after performing perfect combo on him (same as lore) but offers you to work for Noxus and you swear your allegiance directly to him. Then you get some general "How Talon lives every day" arc until the general disappears and Talon starts to look for him.

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#Just like that, we get a Tutorial/Campaign + Lore/Cinematics in one.

Also to get players really into those it would be nice to have some award for completion like a chroma pack on the classic skin or some other small bonus that is champ related. It would also immensely help people finding **their ** champion. You know, the one who just perfectly clicks with you.

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#The questions:

So this "Story mode" would most definitively be awesome if done properly but can you make it happen?

From what I know Riot is currently on a leash by Tencent. "Don't do this", "Make me this", "These skulls on Karthus Trigger me. Remove them!" and other such stuff.

#This is why I want to ask - How does your funding work?

Even if Riot go cheap with comics and not cinematics and very little voice overs I somehow doubt Tencent would dedicate that much resources for each champ individually. Personally, I think this would be great for the community but it won't make as much money as it will probably consume unless you make the story cards RP purchasable (would be considered a d*ck move but even if it comes to this it's better than nothing).

So please tell me are you** actually in charge of what projects you want to take** or is it an "If it brings no profit to Tencent we can't really make it" policy?

The project for Talon alone involves at bare minimum: 2 Comics + Voice overs + 2 custom made maps + General du conteu and Noxus assassins models.

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#In the end

Riot disappointed me a lot when they announced shortly after Bilgewater "Burning tides" the fact that they decided to focus their resources on Pro play and will leave the Lore with the leftovers.

I know, I know this is not the exact quotation but I am quite salty about it OK?

The thread stated that events like the Bilgewater were very taxing on the team when they were already doing so much around Worlds and would cease or be very, very rare.

I mean I enjoy LCS and Worlds to an extent but have always liked good lore and events more.

This would be a big chance of redemption and story building and it doesn't need to happen all at once so I ask that you consider it.

I understand that you want League to be a sport but feeding all your resources there and forsaking lore is a big slap in the face to the:

#Riot Manifesto you want to uphold

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/00/006fd811b42bb561542996b7ffb15bb36f25449f5f063eacac886919da848ce6.jpg http://oi63.tinypic.com/28lxa84.jpg Please read it again and remember it because that is the company of "Gamers who make games for other gamers" that I want to support and not Tencent Holdings.

That is just my Ten cents on this.

P.S. TFW I read my thread:

https://outlierbabe.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/my-work-here-is-done-cat-with-morning-paper.jpg?w=600

65 Comments

Sharjo23 votes

Would love, would play, would pay for honestly.

The resources required to go in to such a project would be immense, but I still think It'd be a great idea.

Sahn Uzal2 votes

I'd love to play a story mode of The burning Tides, or the Shadow Isles lore And it'd be easier than making a story mode for each champion, especially when their lores overlap like MF and GP's for example

inhale the mems12 votes

Riot hire this fucking god.

Irasia Shio1 votes

It would be more feasible if they had done this from the beginning, but now Riot seems to be hard pressed for hands already. It would be next to impossible to do what he said for all of the 100+ champions in the game.

Fasmodey6 votes

Pick Aurelion Sol gg wp.

Jokes aside, only human champions are creatable, or at least, godlike ones would be pretty hard. They powers are immense, they should show it really really well, so people wouldn't be disappointed. Also, champions like Kindred, how can you play them? If they don't make Kindred while making others, it would be unfair.

So, if they're going to make a lore themed game, make only champions playable like Sivir, Taliyah, Talon, LeBlanc etc. Xerath, Aurelion Sol, Bard, all of them would be disappointed. We can still see them in game though, they can be NPC, villain or an ally. If you're going for Shurima, you play Sivir or Taliyah. If you're going to for Noxus you play Katarina or LeBlanc. Like this. You relate factions and their characters with more possible ones, so everyone is happy.

Edit: Ok, fail. You're talking about literally lore themed champion tutorials. This shouldn't be that hard if Riot wants.

DeathTheHorseman1 votes

Was about to start drafting the Sol Story card when i saw your edit [slayer-jinx-wink]

Sol tutorial would not be impossible to pull off. Basically, make something like: World defense against voidlings map.

Where he needs to manage his time very well by optimally using his kit to clear out voidling waves, that come out of void portals and attack some structure Targon wants him to protect. After clearing the wave he needs to close portals (the way we captured points in dominion) as fast as possible and then roam from one point of the map to another and keep closing the portals.

This would teach people to use his passive+ W optimally for doing max DPS. Teach him to do nice and well time Q+E combos and when push comes to shovel do a Starfire breath.

Fasmodey1 votes

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Was about to start drafting the Sol Story card when i saw your edit [slayer-jinx-wink]

Sol tutorial would not be impossible to pull off. Basically, make something like: World defense against voidlings map.

Where he needs to manage his time very well by optimally using his kit to clear out voidling waves, that come out of void portals and attack some structure Targon wants him to protect. After clearing the wave he needs to close portals (the way we captured points in dominion) as fast as possible and then roam from one point of the map to another and keep closing the portals.

This would teach people to use his passive+ W optimally for doing max DPS. Teach him to do nice and well time Q+E combos and when push comes to shovel do a Starfire breath.

It is actually good mode idea for current League of Legends game but it would much better if it was seperated and much more developed game. Like how I thought in the first place. If I'm playing a story themed game, I don't want to learn how to play character really well. I want to feel characters as much as possible. I want to feel like I'm powerful when playing Xerath. I want to feel seducing and attractive while playing Evelynn. I want to feel deadly when I'm playing Cassiopeia. I don't want to learn them. Fuck gameplay. Lore >>>>>>> Gameplay.

You dont play Witchers 3 to play better, you want story, don't you? Like this, if we're ever going to have a story themed mode or game, I don't want to it to be related with gameplay. That's why you have bot games.

You have a really good idea and I really like it, but this idea can delay or completely stop a story themed Runeterra game. That's what I'm scared of. And if they're ever going to make it, I would want it in the best scenario, not wasted and full of disappointment.

DeathTheHorseman4 votes

Dude you can't just Lore>>>>>Gameplay!

It should be

Lore = Gameplay

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Hello I am Bird1 votes

I played the witcher 3 to get better at fighting...

It gave me a dark souls like vibe while going into missions that were way higher than where I should have been and using dodge roll to avoid attacks and kill enemies efficiently.

DeathTheHorseman1 votes

I know what you mean man.

Playing Darksiders 2 on apocalyptic difficulty is how you get good on Akali.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hBOmGyC_rM

Schrödingers Nut5 votes

Not trying to daper your excitement for this idea, because at first it seems pretty cool. But in the long run is seems like an immense waste of time for the riot team. Yeah, more lore is always welcome, but the lore is only a TINY bit of League. The actual game is a bunch of characters fighting each other with different attacks and play styles, which doesn't really have to do with lore at all. The lore wouldnt even have ro exist for the game to be exactly the same. The amount of time to make two or three new maps and main characters for EVERY single champ would be the equivalent to making an entire new game. And there wouldn't really be any amazing outcome from making it either. The player finishes the story mode for their favorite champion and asks "now what?". A champ campaign would never be as amazing as the fan base would want, and would end up taking vast amounts of time without any real accomplishment from beating it

bloodtear972 votes

You see that is where you are wrong though lore is what distinguishes league from lots of other MOBAs and what tends to make it shine through and these champs would be so much different and boring without lore I think this Is an interesting idea probably to much for every champ but maybe pick some champs as sorta intro champs to a lane/role or some of these champs with a lot of lore and I feel this would be totally viable

Beyond Legends1 votes

I don't think riot engine is even possible to manage a story mode. It would require an entirely different engine to make it decent. It may be an interesting idea but still naively stupid at the same time. Hell it take way to long to get that shit done. It's not profitable for riot to invest in a storymode when comic and writing can do just as well. A Riot cinematic team would be nice but I doubt Riot will make enough of a profit return on that.

bloodtear971 votes

The concept I find interesting the only real change the engine would need is the ability to play x cinematic or bring up y comic the way it was described it would be a lot like a solo mission in Warcraft 3 the game that really started the whole MOBA genre

Beyond Legends2 votes

Yeah but league is strictly a moba engine not a RTS one. It simply doesn't have the function to do such a thinng. You can't expect to add a few line of code and expect things not to completely just break and adding entirely new concept you're just asking things to blow up on you face.

Beside why story mode? Comic or animation could just work as well. Perhaps a netflix series of sorts with merchs but story mode is just not worth it unless you make an entirely different game.

bloodtear971 votes

i know coding isn't that easy but everything described other than scripted cinematics and the like is all stuff part of league as of now all that would have to be done is coding AI for scenarios which while hard is able to be done the only real problem is the way adding in cinematics and comics would effect the game

Beyond Legends1 votes

What? The ops idea is quite a ridiculous thing to intergrate into the game much less from a engine that rioter often claim as bunch of spagetti codes. You not listening league engine is ill fit to run such scenarios and forcely trying to would be a massive waste of resources. There are better and cheaper ways than a story mode.

bloodtear971 votes

again you say that its ill fit when again that exact scenario most of the things exist anyway the only needed changes would be map and ai so again i will have to disagree with you on that

OokamiNoSora4 votes

I would love this , but sadly this will never happen. Way to much work and way to many champions now.

Legacy Hydralpha3 votes

Bard Story Mode:

Collect chimes.

Good, now more.

Beyond Legends2 votes

...like no? Story mode neat idea but realistically it's not even the slightiest possible without and insane budget. Do you realize how fast millions can disapear when you are developing a game? I don't think this idea is remotely even possible.

Think realistically people. You're a fucking retarded in your belief of tencent. Like crack hold tin foil of dumbness.

Fasmodey1 votes

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...like no? Story mode neat idea but realistically it's not even the slightiest possible without and insane budget. Do you realize how fast millions can disapear when you are developing a game? I don't think this idea is remotely even possible.

Think realistically people. You're a fucking retarded in your belief of tencent. Like crack hold tin foil of dumbness.

If they make it well done, they surely will get what they deserve. They have players, and they can get even new players. For both games. Most of players from League of Legends can buy this game, and new players who play this game can have interest on this universe and start to League of Legends. Double win. Like how Blizzards did.

Beyond Legends1 votes

What like a Riot Mmo? How about no. Mmo is horrible at telling stories, I rather they stick to books, comic or animation. Op version of story mode for league is dumb and making another game for the story sounds even dumber

Fasmodey1 votes

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What like a Riot Mmo? How about no. Mmo is horrible at telling stories, I rather they stick to books, comic or animation. Op version of story mode for league is dumb and making another game for the story sounds even dumber

No, singleplayer would be better. I'm also against MMORPG.

Beyond Legends1 votes

But how though? Current leagur lore is like game of thrones. I just don't see any genre of games that would do to lore any thing more then comics, books or cinematics. It seems to be a waste of money to invest in a story mode for league.

I just don't think people think their ideas through and the op kinda just made me want to kick him in the head when he mention the oh terrible “tencent overlord”.

Fasmodey1 votes

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But how though? Current leagur lore is like game of thrones. I just don't see any genre of games that would do to lore any thing more then comics, books or cinematics. It seems to be a waste of money to invest in a story mode for league.

I just don't think people think their ideas through and the op kinda just made me want to kick him in the head when he mention the oh terrible “tencent overlord”.

Make Voidborns the real thread for all Runeterra. Make Noxus enemy of Demacia and Ionia. Make Piltover enemy of Zaun. Make Shurima enemy of themselves, cuz tribes. So, firstly you play against those factions firstly, then you play for all Runeterra and fight against Void. While you also interaction with champions, you also have a lot fight in the game. It can work like Dark Souls and Witcher but with more story and much more complicated. If It is made well done, you can really see a good game. There is potential, they should only think about it.

Beyond Legends1 votes

You not describing a genre of games. Like what type of game would this be a rpg rts fps? Also you have to consider who you make into the main character and what story you want to tell. It's kinda of difficult to fit league into one type of game, hell you could have make an entire game base bilgewater. Inmagine a assassin creed black flag style of game where you play as gankplank or mf through their journey. But even then that game would be difficult to make it work properly.

SithesisLord2 votes

So basically, like the non base construction missions from Starcraft.

Me likey.

Doctor Ivellius2 votes

I would rather them fix their permanently broken story first than work on something new story-related.

Gary B Enkelis2 votes

If you want story can't you look it up on the website or in the Champion descriptions in the client or something?

BurnSnake2 votes

The problem is that this would work as a spin off game but not as part of league, its almost an entirely different feel. The whole idea is different----------think of it like this riot would basically have to make a new game and add on to it several levels, cinematic, comics for each character (would slow down new content massively). I don't think this a bad idea. Its just not League of Legends. LOL is a team-based MOBA game, this would be more like a action-strategy game with high focus on narrative.

KoKoboto1 votes

Maybe the first 2 parts are free and the last pay for? Maybe you pay for but it's not super expensive like skins. Maybe you put time limits on when you can start another part of a champions story but if you use RP you can get to the next part right away?

When I first tried Dota2 I really like the tutorial, although it was simple it felt like their was a story behind it and exploration to some extent. It was really enjoyable and fun!

TedBearSurvival1 votes

But I want to play the full story without paying money

KoKoboto1 votes

You have to give Riot ways to monetize otherwise they won't do it.

TedBearSurvival1 votes

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You have to give Riot ways to monetize otherwise they won't do it.

If they are doing that it's gonna be like mobile games where you have to unlock for part 2 and the rest of the story.

KoKoboto1 votes

Yeah or the other examples I thought of.

Jeddy0171 votes

Personally, I would rather have a whole separate game with lore as the focus rather than a mode added on to a multiplayer centric game.

RainbowIcee1 votes

too much high risk and probability of them not making their money back. If anything at most they will likely have telltale games do one which would suck entirely.

Jeddy0171 votes

In reality, neither options is good.

One would take too much resources & the cost would outweigh the benefit. The other would just feel like a tacked on afterthought if they don't put in enough resources. The amount of resources required for that would be the equivalent of making a new game, which cycles back to the problem of making a new game.

It's just that for me, a new game would be able to fully capture the experience of being the champ, the real in-lore champ rather than a quick mode giving us a small preview of League's version of the champ which would constantly have to be adjusted based on the buffs, nerfs & changes the champ's kit recieves. That's would I would pick the poison of a new game.

Neamean1 votes

I kinda hope the could collaborate/hired The Game Bakers to make a PROJECT universe single player game.

The Game Baker made a game called Furi when I first saw it I thought that it would be cool to have a PROJECT theme video game just like it.

Trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMuHjg5oA-s

Gameplay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg-j6kH8pGw

The game consist of only boss fight. So it would be like Project: Yi running arround fighting a boss that know something about his past. It would be his journey to recover his memories. Between each level or each chapter we can get a cinematic that further tell the story.

HerobrineTWH YT1 votes

Would Caitlyn and Jinx's story mode be a fps (first person shooter)?

Pakku Ito 1 votes

Another nice idea combined with this would be unlocking champs like this and either paying IP or RP for the single parts. Would love to see more like they had with the Bilgewater Event, cuz that was tbh a neat event in my eyes.

Bagguette1 votes

They need to make movies for each character. As a fiora main, i really wanna see a movie based on her, animated well like an overwatch short or disney movie..

DeathTheHorseman1 votes

I also want movies but that would cost far too much.

CG movies are expensive to make while creating a map would probably cost less and serve as tutorial.

Xela Syab1 votes

I really think they should do other games based in the same universe as League, this is pretty much the only game they have made. Imagine a retro beat em up style game with league characters, or a legend of zelda style dungeon crawler, or old school turn base rpg.

Apogalacteum1 votes

This idea is great, but if it is done, it would be too hard to make in League of Legends. They would have to create a new game (LoL RPG???). It is Riot GameS, after all.

Also, after playing against a rioter once, he teased that he was on a team creating a new game. He didn't explicitly say it, but it's what I inferred.

MorgulNicky1 votes

I love this idea, but development would take SOOOO long. In the Nexus Siege QA, a Rioter said how long it took to create things like this... new AI's, maps, etc. would take a long time, most likely years and years.

Kingdom Corn1 votes

I REALLY want a movie about LoL but including all the champions is quite impossible.

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