Orianna's new lore is great and all but...

Hrd2H1t·Dec 7, 2016·68 votes·5,239 views

Her voice lines really don't fit now. She used to be a remorseless killing machine, so her lines relating to death and unknowing of mankind were fitting. However, new Orianna is a much more "human" Orianna. She understands what a human is and used to be one, she is just trying to regain her humanity. Her voice lines feel really out of place now, as if she's just pretending to be a killer robot.

New Orianna has a lot more heart in her (hehe), so can she get some new voice lines to fit?

44 Comments

SaltyToplaneGoatDec 8, 201625 votes

They also must remove the wind-up key. It's a major plot point that she takes it out when she finally gains a metal heart and gives hers to her father...

Tesla EffectDec 8, 20169 votes

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They also must remove the wind-up key. It's a major plot point that she takes it out when she finally gains a metal heart and gives hers to her father...

A perfect excuse for an Orianna VU, woooohooo!

SaltyToplaneGoatDec 8, 20169 votes

Tbh she really could use a new model... her gameplay is mostly fine I'd say, but the model is just really, really old by now...

Tesla EffectDec 8, 20161 votes

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Tbh she really could use a new model... her gameplay is mostly fine I'd say, but the model is just really, really old by now...

Yes, given how the current one contradicts her new lore, the animations and voice over as well.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 8, 201614 votes

Her color story gave me the feels. ;_;

I just wanna give her a hug now.

WindupDec 8, 201612 votes

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MimaropaDec 8, 20163 votes

the ball did all beating. Orianna took forever to open a cabinet.

Solidair3Dec 8, 201612 votes

I really like the new lore, but I have one thing that bothered me. Her heart was her only human part left, right? Like okay but... am I expected to believe that her brain was somehow replaced? By gears and kogs? I know this is a world with magic and wonder, but that is really fucking hard to ignore.

Valaran NaraDec 8, 20161 votes

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I really like the new lore, but I have one thing that bothered me. Her heart was her only human part left, right? Like okay but... am I expected to believe that her brain was somehow replaced? By gears and kogs? I know this is a world with magic and wonder, but that is really fucking hard to ignore.

Her brain got replaced with a computer that was programmed with an OS that holds her personality and installed with her memories. I assume that the a hex crystal would help with that bit there to function as a fully transferable method.

As of right now, the one thing that is difficult to replace in lore is a heart for a living creature.

Orianna won't count because everything got replaced to the point that she just needed a "power source" for her mechanization. It's just called a heart due to function and anatomical placement. Camille has a genuine hextech heart which powers her life as a cyborg (which means she still retains bio-material such skin tissues and a few organs which needs something to prolong it's function without decay.

With that being said, only 2 people have such knowledge of how to truly do it. Hakim, Camille's old lover, and his nephew. Oh, and Hakim is dead, so...yeah!

Maple CrusaderDec 8, 20168 votes

They'll have to add in the new lines, eventually. Orianna VU?

Duke of SlothsDec 8, 20167 votes

The same happened with Miss Fortune's lore update.

I really hope they go and update some of these VO's, they just dont do the champs justice.

Solidair3Dec 8, 20166 votes

At least with Miss Fortune, the voice lines go with her more public persona as a silly bounty hunter. Sure, it doesn't belie her true nature, but that's something.

Orianna is going to be something of a mismatch entirely until she gets a new VO.

Tesla EffectDec 8, 20162 votes

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At least with Miss Fortune, the voice lines go with her more public persona as a silly bounty hunter. Sure, it doesn't belie her true nature, but that's something.

Orianna is going to be something of a mismatch entirely until she gets a new VO.

The same can be said with Sona...and any other champion that mentions Summoners in his/her quotes.

Sraeg2013Dec 8, 20163 votes

Except champions mentioning Summoners do that in one or two lines tops.

Orianna's entire VO just got invalidated.

deceptopusDec 8, 20166 votes

The new story is fairly well written, but why the drastic change to who orianna is? Her old lore was probably the easiest to adapt to the new league less lore. Her new character doesn't fit who she was, or who she still is in game, so why the change? A robot that must learn to deal with humans and not living up to the person they were based off of isn't any less compelling or rich in emotions and story, just look at astroboy, so WHY?

All I see is change for the sake of change, which just feels like a slight against anyone who was invested before.

I want stories about the characters I care about, not strangers wearing their face and name tag.

In order to fall in line with this new character, orianna will inevitably get a complete rework and personality in game, leaving her feeling nothing like the character I hold dear.

WindupDec 8, 20162 votes

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deceptopusDec 8, 20164 votes

Then you really don't have much imagination. The entire story of astroboy is about a robot and their creator learning to come to terms with the fact that they can't truly replace the human they were based off of, and to become their own person. The idea of how an artificial intelligence could grow and interact with humans has been an endless wellspring of ideas for science fiction.

Her old lore was far from perfect, as all the old lore generally was, but you actually need a good reason to retcon something. It's a massive storytelling sin. It's not something you can do "just cause" as it has a massively negative effect on the integrity of the story you're trying to craft. Especially since this new character steps on the toes of others like viktor, and removes her driving motivation like many of the other new bios, leaving her to simply "wander and explore". The old Orianna had barriers to overcome, and the relationship with her father/creator to explore. The new orianna's story glossed over those points and has left her drifting without a tangible purpose.

WindupDec 8, 20161 votes

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deceptopusDec 9, 20162 votes

I have to wonder if you actually read fieram, because it's far more in keeping with the old orianna than the new one. From the way she talks about "acquiring" and learning about human gestures, to her desperation to connect with another machine "like her". It doesn't follow through as a story about a human who simple underwent prosthesis. The old lore was simply undeveloped. There weren't any glaring issues or inconsistencies with it. You complain about how terrible it was, when all it really needed was new stories to shed more light.

ZenbuuuuDec 8, 20163 votes

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I want stories about the characters I care about, not strangers wearing their face and name tag.

In order to fall in line with this new character, orianna will inevitably get a complete rework and personality in game, leaving her feeling nothing like the character I hold dear.

I honestly can't agree enough. I am very worried that this is the route she will take.

Serika ZeroDec 8, 20164 votes

As if Diana or Leona lines fit since they changed the lore. Ofc they don't but nobody at riot cares

Onkel MalteDec 8, 20163 votes

I totally agree with you. She's gone through a major Change in her Design through the new story and she's got a truly beautiful personality now. i'd love to see a love tap on Ori's VO and a removal of her Wind-up Key.

This is by far the story that touched me the most of them all.

WindupDec 8, 20163 votes

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Onkel MalteDec 8, 20162 votes

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MrWasjigDec 8, 20163 votes

Don't worry, they're just disregarding previous elements of their story and lending them an incongruity in character and tone. I'm not saying they won't make changes to VO's but it's going to be one of those things on the To-Do List that never, ever gets done. Still would be nice if they settled on something. I'm not against rewriting lore but you're right, now her VO sounds really uncharacteristic...or is it her new lore that's uncharacteristic? (Like I said, incongruity)

ZenbuuuuDec 8, 20163 votes

I agree that her lore and in-game lines don't fit anymore, but I am against the idea of changing her in-game lines to accommodate her new lore. :( Making her more relatable will (more or less) kill the creepy aspect of her character, something that she is known for. I'll be very sad if that's what becomes of her </3

Valor BotDec 8, 20162 votes

There's one line that makes more sense now than ever before though:

"I hear soft things."

Maybe I'm interpreting this incorrectly, but it seems like Orianna hears the pumping and beating of what little she has left of her original body inside.

ProtestantCaesarDec 8, 20162 votes

She no longer has any of her original body inside.

Valor BotDec 8, 20161 votes

So she doesn't even have blood vessels anymore? I thought they had only replaced her internal organs, I didn't read the whole story though so I'm not sure.

xelakerDec 8, 20162 votes

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There's one line that makes more sense now than ever before though:

"I hear soft things."

Maybe I'm interpreting this incorrectly, but it seems like Orianna hears the pumping and beating of what little she has left of her original body inside.

you are 100% interpreting it wrong lol she's talking about all the non robots in league being all soft and such

Valor BotDec 8, 20161 votes

Ah, that seems like a more likely explanation :P Thanks!

23382622_DELDec 8, 20162 votes

Not sure she is trying to "regain" her humanity - I think she is very cognizant that her identity has shifted, and, therefore, so has her perspective of self and the world. My interpretation is her body mod's fundamentally changed her into a different person. HOWEVER, I will agree that, not withstanding her change in identity, she seemed to retain her sense of empathy. That empathy is definitely not reflected in her voice lines.

SarennarDec 8, 20162 votes

I Really Liked the New Lore, Specially the fact, that besides being pretty much a robot now, she still was herself, not a copy created by a madman(If you dont remember her dad went nuts with her death), she also feels more human then before, what is kinda funny, it doesnt explain what she is doing in the League, but its cool.

Another good thing, is that she didnt die, the bad part of it, is that she suffered an agonizing path to her transformation, something that would be amazingly normal on a Japanese Horror Movie.

Another Interesting thing, is that we had a more personal view on who she WAS(Human Orianna), and a explanation on how her memories are in the Robot.

Orianna sweetheart, that new lore made me Like you even more, now we just need a visual update.

Once again Lady of the Clockwork, lets dance in the Fields of Justice, You know what makes them Tick, And you know how to make the Ticking Stop, so lets do that.

TrolosaurusDec 8, 20161 votes

Aye

midnight oil24Dec 8, 20161 votes

I think that that is her main personality now, because she removed the last thing that made her human.

Kitty PixDec 8, 20161 votes

This means she's potentially up for a VGU! That would be exciting!

Friendly RamDec 8, 20161 votes

i'd love new lines but really hope they don't change gameplay

ModAcademy KaynDec 8, 20161 votes

I'd love if along with Warwick, Orianna got a VU as well. Unlikely, but it'd be lovely.

SorrowJoyDec 8, 20161 votes

I feel as if Orianna is still an innocent girl and the ball however is her aggressive protective younger brother ( Cause she made it a while after herself ) and together they are a powerful unit.

Purpl3Jungl3Dec 8, 20161 votes

when riot run out of ideas for lores & copy the storyline of movies ... coughs astroboy

TheHappyReaperzDec 9, 20161 votes

How? The little story thing she did along with her lore update shows her give zero fucks for human life. Her ball literally zaps someone until he's no longer responsive, at the command of Orianna. She then tells it to go trap another person in a field of pain. She may be trying to reconnect with her humanity, but the key word there is trying, she's still pretty remorseless.