History and How Riot has used some

Looknook··19 votes·1,413 views

So I was studying Western Civilization Volume 1: To 1715 for my history class when I stumbled across information that I found to be quite interesting.

Ionia and Darius both were real things.

A quick look at Wikipedia helped to confirm this. Ionia was a collection of small Greek City States called the Ionian League of Greek settlements and was located around where present day Turkey is. It was a coastal strip mostly surrounded by The Black Sea and Medditerian Sea. These states fell to the Persian Empire in the mid-sixth century. After Athens helped in a failed revolt by the Ionian States in 499 B.C.E. the Persian King turned his attention towards Greece.

This Kings name, was Darius. He led his army of light infantry to Greece where he confronted and lost to the Greek hoplite soldiers at Marathon. The Persians would not mount another attack for ten years due to political reasons as well as the death of Darius. When the Persians returned they were led by the Persian King Xerxes.

Ultimately these names and some of the ideas from history have resurfaced in Riots lore for League. That is something I find fascinating and I wanted to share that with anyone interested.

Thanks for your time and have a great day! Also if you know of anything other people, events or places that Riot may have drawn on for idea I would love to hear it!

21 Comments

Warlord Dienekes16 votes

There's a bunch of history in names and designs. Actually it's common in all fiction that you steal relentlessly from history.

The obvious:

Xin Zhao is based off of Zhao Xin a Chinese commander that surrendered to the Han dynasty.

Atreus (Pantheon's meat suit) is named after the father of Menelaus and Agamemnon.

Diana is the Roman name for Artemis the goddess of the moon and the hunt.

While Leona's shield had the Macedonian sun symbol at the top.

Which is a neat little detail that makes the three true Targonian champions represent Greece, Rome, and Macedonia the three major Hellenistic influenced ancient cultures. We'll just ignore Taric and Sol for this parallelism.

Olaf was a king of Norway.

Yorick is named after the Shakespeare character of course.

There's probably a lot more I'm missing.

Beyond Legends2 votes

What are you talking about Xin Zhao? Did you wikipedia him or something? Like how can you be so wrong??k

Firstly Chinese people put their last/family name in the front. So Xin Zhao is just the english version of his real name.

Also how can you be so wrong on who he was base of. He is base of Zhao Yu (or Yun Zhao written in english).

Zhao Xin was a small king xiongnu tribes)northern barbarians of china. He surrendered to the han before betraying them again. He was a nobody for the most part in history and I don't think Riot look into him. Hell xin zhao is not even that of uncomon name.

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

I know the last name first name thing. As to what I said he (or I should rather have said his name) is based off of the guy whose name was Zhao Xin just switched to the English rearrangement. I did not mean his character was based off of him. Just as Darius isn't based off of the Persian King Darius.

I should have been more clear my apologies.

Tattersall3 votes

Thank you for mentioning that Atreus and Pantheon are two different people. I feel like not enough people realize that.

Warlord Dienekes9 votes

Oh I am very aware that Pantheon is actually a body hopping space parasite.

I am not happy about it.

Tattersall2 votes

Everyone says that the old Targon lore was a lot better than the new lore, but I guess I'm lucky in the way that when I started playing, the new Targon lore was already in place. I have no idea what I missed out on. I always wonder if I too would hate the new lore if I had known the old version.

Iwinatlife428 votes

I mean old Targon was basically Sparta not the most inspired writing. Leona and Diana had interesting beef but I think most of that is still in place. So its not that the old lore was great in this case its just that the new is weird. Similar with Shurima I miss pre-Azir Xerath Lore back when he was a scholar trying to find the secrets of ultimate arcane power and destroyed Shurima only because people tried to kill in the last moments of him converting himself into magic, but the new lore make a more contained and expandable story

It Hertz When IP3 votes

The Institute of War was one of the best lore explanations for gameplay that I'd ever seen, and made League stand out from other games of its genre.

Warlord Dienekes3 votes

Ok, well, I'm gonna try and give a fair read, but I am insanely biased here. You can find the old lores online if you google for them to make your own decision. But here goes:

Neither lores are really all that great in their entirety. Neither are going to be winning any Hugo Awards any time soon. There were good parts and bad parts to both.

I'll start with the old, what was worse about it? Targon itself. Originally Targon was called Mount Gargantuan home of the Stanpar (literally an anagram of Spartan) who were the greatest soldiers ever. And Pantheon was the greatest soldier of the greatest soldiers ever. And that's where it sat for awhile. Now we can learn a bit about the culture from Pantheon's quotes, and how they viewed warfare, but it was really what you would expect. A far more brutal take on honor, and love of violence for violence sake, arrogant as all hell. Your basic Hollywoodized Spartan.

Then IronStylus came and added in Leona and Diana. And here's where it started to get interesting. The Stanpar were changed to the Rakkor Mount Gargantuan was changed to Targon and I think most people were happier for it. Those were really silly names. Leona was given the story of how she was once a Rakkor, was friends with the young Pantheon but rebelled against their brutal ways (they had a thing called 'the Rite of Kor' where they murder each other, obviously inspired by the Krypteia but it was very dumb and makes no sense from a cultural survival standpoint). She was in turn to be executed, but was saved by being chosen from by the Sun who was presented as an actual god. Despite granting her powers, the Sun took a bit of a back seat to Leona allowing her to do her own thing, and she trained with the Solari to one day lead Targon.

Then Diana was released and we saw that maybe the Solari weren't as good as they at first seemed. We see this outcast girl who like Leona rebelled against what her teachers were saying. So she out on her own went looking for clues of the power of the Moon and found them. Heading back to the Solari elders she excited tells them of the old temple she found, only to have them condemn her to death. At that time the Moon granted her power, and she used that to murder the Solari elders. And continued to wield it like a cudgel against all those who would deny her power.

Now from that, plus Leona's character in her League Judgment (a thing where they analyze a champions inner demons and character for them to join the League of Legends) revealed that Leona was a very good person, filled with a bit of self doubt if she was worthy of the Sun's power, plus confusion if she would one day piss the Sun off and lose that power, and if she would grow too dependent upon it. She also wanted to change her home. Diana, on the other hand was filled with hatred over everyone who tormented her.

Added onto that was IronStylus's own hints that Leona and Diana were once friends, possibly more. And their paths will lead to unhappiness between them all.

So we were given a naturally good and kind character (Leona) who was presented in the wrong. The Solari she defended were actively attempting to stomp out Diana's truth. Meanwhile the one who was right (Diana) was a ruthless murderer. While all of Targon would hang in the balance of what happens (where I assumed Pantheon would come back into the story, representing the normal people of the mountain).

The new lore took a lot of what was written above, but warped it in ways that were pretty strange. Leona wasn't really a nice person anymore, she was the one who was day dreaming about being a petty executioner before Diana had even done anything wrong. Diana just sort of tries to find peace after going on an all out murder spree in the temple which also jars with her in game dialogue. Then there's Pantheon, who, actually in the first part of his lore seemed to have a pretty great expansion of his character, then the biggest problem that plagued all three of the lores suddenly happens. Space aliens show up.

And suddenly the choices of the characters aren't really theirs anymore. Leona, who was once just a good person turned into a vicious person only to have space aliens show up and suddenly she's good again. Atreus had a fantastic story about trying to defend his homeland from foreign invaders while setting the stage for potential conflict between two tribes; the Solari and the Rakkor over how their mountain should be defended. Then suddenly space aliens show up! And he randomly becomes the biggest tool, ever.

And it wasn't even set up particularly subtly, throughout Sol's lore the Targonian space spirit things are just massive unlikable assholes. And what glimpses we see of the spirits that are taking a far more active role in controlling their corresponding meat suits don't make them seem anything but jackasses as well. Really the only one to come out of it looking well was Taric, who was never a Targonian champion before anyway.

So that's it. While, from a technical perspective I can say, yeah, the new lore is probably better written. The actual narrative path taken was just so out of left field, ignored the conflict the old fans were all hoping to see, and instead shoved space aliens into a lore that really had no need for them. That's why some of us really dislike the new lore.

Beyond Legends2 votes

Correction Pantheon relationship with Leona was so tack on it wasn't even funny. He was barely mention in her actual bio. Pantheon had zero character to him even after they changed him to be of the rakkor.

Also Leona was suppose to be kill her opponent in the rite but because she refuse she was suppose to he excuted for not following order. I'm not going to bother about the stupidity of the Rite but I want to talked how bland Leona character was. She was this born mesiyah nice girl figure that was really good at fighting. She was perfect to the point of being a Marie Sue, hell she was as dull as old superman. Perhaps they could have kept her boring and bland personality in the new lore, but I don't miss her sunny personality at the slightiest. She was too much of the cliche good paladin to have any real character development. Hell her judgement and suppose struggles felt cheap like a pissy fanfic writer trying to go full cliche. It's character deformity only a mother can love.

Hell the whole Diana and Leona conflict was poorly written as hell. It was a nice concept from Iron Stylus, but I have heard more than enough story on how his biased negatively influence the old lore.

Old League lore in my opinions was a pile shit that came from someone who ate a lot of corn. There is alot neat little corn pieces but at the end of the day it was still shit. Granted new lore may piss some people off because they remove the corn bit but atleast it aint shit anymore.

Hell maybe I'm biased but I have been here since season 2. I have read JoJ and the judgement and I can tell you that League old lore was not good. People forget about the complaints about how bad the lore was back in the day.Old lore was lazy tacted on, but it had enough interesting character to keep people intrested. Hell I got into league lore because of the characters. Perhaps I'm the minority among the more vocal people but I actually like the new Targon. It has a very nice style that was influence by the old greak stories. If you read about the greak god you'll know their all giagantic dick holes, so the targonian being assholes sit perfectly well with me. Sure it may remove some of the agency of the characters, but I choose to embrace it unlike some people.

Looknook2 votes

I did not realize that Diana and Leona had those historical connections! That's actually pretty cool, its just too bad that the Greeks didn't worship a magical dragon god too. But he does have relations to the Romans in other ways. Sol is the Latin word for Sun and comes from the Roman Sun god Sol Invictus, who was the patron of soldiers and was made official by the Roman Emperor Aurelian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus So Sol does have the Roman connection!

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

You know, good catch with Sol. Now, I think, Sol Invictus actually comes from further East than Greece and was a later non-Hellenistic deity. But still, foreign god coming to overthrow the Greek inspired demi-gods is a very fitting name now that I stop and think about it.

Looknook1 votes

I find it especially fitting how Sol Invictus was a patron of soldiers and how Aurelion Sol is forced to work alongside and assist Pantheon, a soldier.

XIII Vanitas1 votes

The very concept of a "League of Legends" (champions fighting amongst themselves for the sake of their own city-states) was taken from the Roman myth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatii

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

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The very concept of a "League of Legends" (champions fighting amongst themselves for the sake of their own city-states) was taken from the Roman myth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatii

Champion fighting is even older than that. As I know of a similar Greek myth only it was 50 vs 50. Then there were later champion fights with the vikings who could go up to 12 I believe.

FantasySniper3 votes

M E A T S U I T

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Also want to mention this. And this.

Fiora comes from Fiore Dei Liberi, a famous martial artist. LeBlanc means "white" or "pure", yet Sophie Germain used the same name to attend college. The list goes on.

Looknook2 votes

Something else to think about is that all the Shurmian Acsended characters are based on Egyptian gods. Nasus is Anubis, Renekton is Sobek and Azir is both Ra and Aten. And Xerath is.....probably somebody

Tattersall1 votes

Nasus is Susan.

General Esdeath 1 votes

Most Ionian and Mount Targon names are real names.

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

Oh another one that a different thread reminded me of. Fiora is probably a feminization of Fiore a famous Italien fencing master.

GuardAbuse1 votes

Oh I actually got very interested in champ names for a while. I found out that atrox in latin means fierce. Aatrox was just riot being like "that's cool, let's slap an a on there to make it harder to google."

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